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  • #47,641
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:57am Apr 29, 2013 8:57am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} Sorry Master Sonicdeejay if you feel this is causing any harm here... {image}
Not at all... Position building is a way to go....



Sonic
  • #47,642
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:59am Apr 29, 2013 8:59am
Quoting irfanhashim
WHAT NOW....?? {image}

What now???


Big news in 2 mins time..

It is time to rock..




Sonic
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  • #47,643
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:20am Apr 29, 2013 9:20am
Quoting baokydev
Hi i got a question on PVSRA on EUR/USD (lets use it as the example) As what Prof Tah, JRRissa been posting today , the MM are seems to be BEAR but they are pushing price above whole number to add more short. My question is For PVSRA, how do I know when to exit my entry / take profit. I also been reading the 69 pages PDF that is compiled by jacky. Will try pickup PVSRA asap and contribute here.
PVSRA, Does It Affect Where I Take Profit?

If you are using PVSRA to help identify better Classic setups to enter, you still exit those setups according to the Classic method, which is to select from historic S&R the level you think is appropriate. It can be within the day range, or further out yet still within the week range, or anything else you want.

If you are using PVSRA to build a position, each price move made by the MMs might also move the range day mark, so with each new Scout entry you might have to reassess where to put your exit if you want to keep it within the day range. If you are targeting further out, but still within the week range, fewer reassessments are likely to be required.
  • #47,644
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:35am Apr 29, 2013 9:35am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} GU Short Trade: Added short trade #3, Sonic Scout based on MMs moving price to S&R 1/4 area twice now and with higher volumes following. {image}
GU Short Trade:

Added short trade #4, a Sonic Scout as MMs moved price back above whole number on high relative trading (M1 confirmed).
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  • #47,645
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:39am Apr 29, 2013 9:39am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} EG long scout #2 Based on PVSRA. Highest volumes on lows -> MM's building long position. {image} {image}
Took profit from both positions at marked price.
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I know the secret...
  • #47,646
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:39am Apr 29, 2013 9:39am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Nice double top... Weekly Bar was bearish, so it is possibly profitable to be a BEAR.. More confirmation will appear once 127.8x break.. Sonic {image}
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No trade trigger..just yet..

and it is touching 38.2% fibo of last week candle..


Sonic
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  • #47,647
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:42am Apr 29, 2013 9:42am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} EU Short Trade: Added short trade #3, a Sonic Scout based on MMs moving price above whole number S&R followed by extremely heavy trading (M1 confirmed PVSRA) indicating they are bears hiking price to short. {image}
EU Short Trade:

Added short trade #4, a Sonic Scout as MMs moved price back towards the upper whole number wtih increased trading at higher prices. Revised TP.
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  • #47,648
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:50am Apr 29, 2013 9:50am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} PVSRA, Does It Affect Where I Take Profit? If you are using PVSRA to help identify better Classic setups to enter, you still exit those setups according to the Classic method, which is to select from historic S&R the level you think is appropriate. It can be within the day range, or further out yet still within the week range, or anything else you want. If you are using PVSRA to build a position, each price move made by the MMs might also move the range day mark, so with each new Scout entry you might have to reassess where to put your exit...
Thanks Prof Tah for the explanation. Definitely with Sonic R Classic setup and knowing MM Bear or Bull will make the probability for winning higher !
Trading is something special.
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  • Edited 10:34am Apr 29, 2013 10:02am | Edited 10:34am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} AU Short Trade: Added short trade #3, a Sonic Scout based on MMs hiking price to highs of Friday, with higher trading at those highs (M1 confirmed). {image}
AU Short Trade:

Added short trade #4, a Sonic Scout based on MMs re-hiking the price with volumes increased at the higher levels. Revised TP.

Edit: Added short trade #5, a pending Sonic Scout order that was much earlier set above the whole number was triggered. Updated chart. Revised TP.
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  • #47,650
  • Apr 29, 2013 10:33am Apr 29, 2013 10:33am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} PVSRA, Does It Affect Where I Take Profit? If you are using PVSRA to help identify better Classic setups to enter, you still exit those setups according to the Classic method, which is to select from historic S&R the level you think is appropriate. It can be within the day range, or further out yet still within the week range, or anything else you want. If you are using PVSRA to build a position, each price move mad
Complete Day dedicated to PVSRA (Price Volume Support & Resistance analysis). Reading pdf based on volume trading.I have some important lines and have steel strong relation to PVSRA.

Volume spread analysis

The basic premise behind the volume spread analysis is that the market is basically moved by the “Smart Money”. The smart money accumulates the stocks at low prices. Then begins process of marking up the price. Then the “Dumb Money” starts entering the smart slowly. The smart money starts passing the ownership of the stocks to the dumb money. This process is called Distribution. Soon more and more dumb money starts rushing into the market not wanting to be left out of the big rally. Unfortunately the retail traders are the last to get in. Once the process of distribution is complete the smart money starts rapidly marking down the prices and the dumb money are left holding the stock which was bought at high prices. At the end the smart money is much richer and they can again start accumulating the stock at lower prices. The cycle continues.

This one way explains why the move moves are slow and the down moves are very rapid. The process of marking up the prices and distribution is a slow process. It takes some effort to get the dumb money interested in buying into the rally. The mark down process is very rapid as the smart money’s intention is to trap the dumb money. They have to give very little chances to dumb money which is generally slow in reacting to exit.

VSA attempts to read the moves of the smart money by looking at the price, volume and the spread of prices.
The smart money is liable for strong movement in market and liable for strong trend on time frame.


Now come to prof.TAH's PVRSA tool.PVRSA and VSA has same qualities but we are using it with different form,PVSRA is using for To know the walk of Smart money,as confirmation of Support and resistance,turning price of Sonic R system (Higher low/lower high price action).

Important Case Study

Case we see sell entry point given by PVSRA and price is forming Higher High and Higher low,If Don't care of Price Action there is not good possibility to move price down in our favor.

Case we see sell entry point given by PVSRA and price is forming Lower high and lower low (Price action confirming down move) then there is High possibility to move price down in our favor.

moral of the story Price Action with PVSRA together. WAIT FOR RIGHT PRICE ACTION ON LEFT SITE OF CHART IS VERY IMPORTANT ,BLINDLY FOLLOW ANY SYSTEM IS VERY CHILDISH BEHAVIOR.THERE IS NO BAD PART OF ANY SYSTEM IF KNOW HOW TO USE THAT,

Losing is the part of game.there is no "Holy grail" we all are just playing on possibility.

frank
  • #47,651
  • Apr 29, 2013 10:37am Apr 29, 2013 10:37am
Here is how I trade with volume and sonicR system
My trade was based on candles shape with volumes. and sonic entry or re-entry rules.
trading 5min gold, cos I dont like big stops, it makes me uncomfortable. m5 gold move gives me enough pips.
I discarded all S/R lines, cos I only pay attention to the candles.
Any comments would help me improve my tradings.

Regards
jacky
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  • #47,652
  • Apr 29, 2013 10:58am Apr 29, 2013 10:58am
Quoting frank.david
{quote} Complete Day dedicated to PVSRA (Price Volume Support & Resistance analysis). Reading pdf based on volume trading.I have some important lines and have steel strong relation to PVSRA. Volume spread analysis The basic premise behind the volume spread analysis is that the market is basically moved by the “Smart Money”. The smart money accumulates the stocks at low prices. Then begins process of marking up the price. Then the “Dumb Money” starts entering the smart slowly. The smart money starts passing the ownership of the...
Something PVSRA Clearly Shows

You mentioned MMs accumulating, and afterwards starting the run for profit,....a slow process due to the necessity to attract in longs into the rally which can take some time to convince them to do.

What PVSRA shows clearly is that at the top of each step up, or cycle up in the rally the MMs trade most heavily. This is obviously selling at the top of each move that was put on to attract in longs. And it is logical that PVSRA would show that because the MMs cannot push up price without buying. They already bought low before initiating the run up for profit. The MMs certainly don't want more at higher prices. Yet, the MMs must buy to push! So, what do they do? Simple. At the top of each push up, they close those buys! They might even be starting to short, which is how I refer to it, but technically it should just be called "selling". The MMs are at the very least selling all that they had to buy in order to put on the push up in order to attract in longs! As longs come in more and more, the MMs simply sell to close their longs and continue to take the short side of any more longs.

PVSRA is truly an interesting analysis. It shows what the MMs are, bulls or bears. I cannot think of a more sound basis for setting a strategy to trade.

-tah
  • #47,653
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:01am Apr 29, 2013 11:01am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} AU Short Trade: Added short trade #4, a Sonic Scout based on MMs re-hiking the price with volumes increased at the higher levels. Revised TP. Edit: Added short trade #5, a pending Sonic Scout order that was much earlier set above the whole number was triggered. Updated chart. Revised TP. {image}
Hi Proffesor.

Please, pay attention to this image because there is a SHS pattern in AU that we should take into account imo.

Best, Tymedu
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  • #47,654
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:09am Apr 29, 2013 11:09am
Quoting jackywang5
Here is how I trade with volume and sonicR system My trade was based on candles shape with volumes. and sonic entry or re-entry rules. trading 5min gold, cos I dont like big stops, it makes me uncomfortable. m5 gold move gives me enough pips. I discarded all S/R lines, cos I only pay attention to the candles. Any comments would help me improve my tradings. Regards jacky {image}
Jack be Ninble, Jack be Quick!

From "Day 1" Master Sonicdeejay has recommended to those that dare to trade on M5, that they be nimble...they be quick! You certainly are! This is a very good illustration of the potential of the Sonic R. System using both Classic entries and re-entries, and Scout entries.

Excellent trading, jackywang5.

-tah
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  • #47,655
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:17am Apr 29, 2013 11:17am
Quoting jackywang5
Here is how I trade with volume and sonicR system My trade was based on candles shape with volumes. and sonic entry or re-entry rules. trading 5min gold, cos I dont like big stops, it makes me uncomfortable. m5 gold move gives me enough pips. I discarded all S/R lines, cos I only pay attention to the candles. Any comments would help me improve my tradings. Regards jacky {image}
Interesting stuff. Gold moves in a different way to FX, it tends to get into long runs (historically up, which will at some point resume) so you might look at longer timeframes as well as shorter timeframes and run in parallel? I have been out of gold for a year or two as it just looked too heady and I do not scalp it. I find FX has enough movement but I will be back in as soon as it settles.

As an extreme here is a twenty year chart with a 300 EMA added (34 got lost). Guess where Gordon Brown dumped the UK's entire gold reserves? Not a Sonicr.

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Katte, kabuto no o wo shime yo. Size doesn't matter, leverage is the killer
  • #47,656
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:17am Apr 29, 2013 11:17am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} Hi Proffesor. Please, pay attention to this image because there is a SHS pattern in AU that we should take into account imo. Best, Tymedu {image}
Tymedu,

Thank you very much for pointing that out. Now we have two opposing H&S. One can be seen on Month chart. Not so pretty, but possibly just as valid and also in play.

Interesting.

-tah
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  • #47,657
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:25am Apr 29, 2013 11:25am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Jack be Ninble, Jack be Quick! From "Day 1" Master Sonicdeejay has recommended to those that dare to trade on M5, that they be nimble...they be quick! You certainly are! This is a very good illustration of the potential of the Sonic R. System using both Classic entries and re-entries, and Scout entries. Excellent trading, jackywang5. -tah {image}
Thank u Pro TAH....
  • #47,658
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:36am Apr 29, 2013 11:36am
Market Comment

If the first day of the week is sometimes for positioning pairs to where the MMs want them for moves later in the week, and if today is such a day, then because the MMs pushed up AU and EU, and because the MMs kept GU up,......all these pairs might be in for good profit making runs down this week.

-tah
  • #47,659
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:37am Apr 29, 2013 11:37am
Quoting revoli
{quote} Interesting stuff. Gold moves in a different way to FX, it tends to get into long runs (historically up, which will at some point resume) so you might look at longer timeframes as well as shorter timeframes and run in parallel? I have been out of gold for a year or two as it just looked too heady and I do not scalp it. I find FX has enough movement but I will be back in as soon as it settles. As an extreme here is a twenty year chart with a 300 EMA added (34 got lost). Guess where Gordon Brown dumped the UK's entire gold reserves? Not a...
Thank u for your reply.
Something was not shown on this chart. I do watch the h1 and h4 chart at the same time. I draw the fib retracement and expansion on higher TM chart so I can make m5 chart clear.
And for longer TF, I only take the move from 1320 to 1485 as a retracement,at least now. Gold will break 1320 level and get lower area, its my guess..
  • #47,660
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:38am Apr 29, 2013 11:38am
How The Market Makers Cornered The Gold Market - A lesson in the power of Big Money/ Market Makers

For anyone doubting what TAH is saying about manipulation of the markets read this article about how the market makers stuffed the retail traders on gold. It reaffirms what TAH has been telling us about how these boys operate. OK its not FX and on a big scale but it just serves as a reminder of what these guys are capable of and the dirty tricks played. Shared here for education, enlightenment and amusement.

Credit for article to Bill Downey for Futures Magazine
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