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- #46,801
- Edited 8:04am Apr 21, 2013 3:27am | Edited 8:04am
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- #46,803
- Apr 21, 2013 7:14am Apr 21, 2013 7:14am
Ravelt, I do agree with you that trading style is an individual's choice and more of a preference how we want to trade with real money. I am new here with only very few posts like you. But I read the thread regularly and trying hard to catch up as much as possible. I don't read of any disrespect made by an specific members. I read there are some strong views expressed by older FF members in the past. Views may be opposing to some different ways in trading, and it is good to have some robust discussions here in thread using sonicR and VSA. Name calling...
and last but not least, are we here to learn how to trade with sonic r system ? or else ?
and 
Ravelt
- #46,805
- Apr 21, 2013 8:16am Apr 21, 2013 8:16am
- Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Trader | 50,194 Posts
25 years ? o my gudness .. {image}{image} simple bar and vol for you.. keep this picture, you will see similliar everyday friend..{image}
you always amuse me with your funny posts and pictures. They make me laugh at myself and be happy. I trade better when I am happy.
25 years trading the stock market not forex.
I only started trading sport forex since 2007. Loss money like some people do. But that's the price in wanting to learn and not going to university to learn how to trade. LOL.
You have a good week ahead making more pips. Just between you and I, try giving Blessing3...LOL
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
- #46,806
- Apr 21, 2013 10:16am Apr 21, 2013 10:16am
- Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Trader | 11,838 Posts
We are always seeing people asking for a repeat of what's been posted several times before. Now this is either because those guys have not read the thread as instructed, so they just have to get that message....or because they've forgotten what they've read. For this latter group may I suggest that they copy Sonic's and TAH's posts that explain things - not every trade because that defeats the object of copying selected posts! Then paste this info into a Word Document which you can later review and organise at your leisure......its simple guys.....
Also, I don't know how many guys in the thread are running on demo and how many are trading real money. IMO once you have mastered how to trade the basics on MT4 and then have spent a couple of weeks in this thread, then your posts should be about a real time account. There is just no substitute for having some actual money on the line. You can do this with as little as $100 and trade micro lots - 0.01 or 1 cent a pip and it makes a huge difference to your psychological view point.
Also, I don't know how many guys in the thread are running on demo and how many are trading real money. IMO once you have mastered how to trade the basics on MT4 and then have spent a couple of weeks in this thread, then your posts should be about a real time account. There is just no substitute for having some actual money on the line. You can do this with as little as $100 and trade micro lots - 0.01 or 1 cent a pip and it makes a huge difference to your psychological view point.
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- #46,807
- Apr 21, 2013 11:26am Apr 21, 2013 11:26am
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
Nice... Sonic {image}
Big corporations (controlled by the super-rich) are growing larger every decade, becoming world-wide in their reach. And the conspiracy is to get us to buy what we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress others we don't even like!
The result of this folly is more and more folks slip into financial bondage to their jobs and to their credit debt (with the banks also controlled by the super-rich). This makes the masses more controllable. And it gets the super-rich further and further towards their goal of absolute supremacy!
-tah
- #46,808
- Apr 21, 2013 11:44am Apr 21, 2013 11:44am
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
We are always seeing people asking for a repeat of what's been posted several times before. Now this is either because those guys have not read the thread as instructed, so they just have to get that message....or because they've forgotten what they've read. For this latter group may I suggest that they copy Sonic's and TAH's posts that explain things - not every trade because that defeats the object of copying selected posts! Then paste this info into a Word Document which you can later review and organise at your leisure......its simple guys.....
Micro skirts, mini skirts, ....lots of short skirts! Ahhhh!
Well, in the forex market using EURUSD as an example, a lot= $10/pip, a mini (lot)= $1/pip and a micro (lot)= 10 cents per pip (not one cents).
Maybe someday the brokers will offer a one cent pip, perhaps call it a nano (lot)! Imagine the far reaching consequences of that! Never again would TAH get flack for showing others a position building way to trade that might over-drawdown their accounts!
-tah
Micros, Minis & Lots! Micro skirts, mini skirts, ....lots of short skirts! Ahhhh! Well, in the forex market using EURUSD as an example, a lot= $10/pip, a mini (lot)= $1/pip and a micro (lot)= 10 cents per pip (not one cents). Maybe someday the brokers will offer a one cent pip, perhaps call it a nano (lot)! Imagine the far reaching consequences of that! Never again would TAH get flack for showing others a way to trade that might over-drawdown their accounts!
- #46,810
- Apr 21, 2013 1:06pm Apr 21, 2013 1:06pm
- Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Trader | 11,838 Posts
Micros, Minis & Lots! Micro skirts, mini skirts, ....lots of short skirts! Ahhhh! Well, in the forex market using EURUSD as an example, a lot= $10/pip, a mini (lot)= $1/pip and a micro (lot)= 10 cents per pip (not one cents). Maybe someday the brokers will offer a one cent pip, perhaps call it a nano (lot)! Imagine the far reaching consequences of that! Never again would TAH get flack for showing others a position building way to trade that might over-drawdown their accounts!
....but lets hope the message gets noticed 
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- #46,812
- Apr 21, 2013 1:17pm Apr 21, 2013 1:17pm
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
prof tah this is a pic from your manual rules that you stated about the long entry on the bottom but just wondering the top arrows i have marked isn't that a classic sonic short entry as well ? H-L-LH starting above the dragon and third leg breaking the LH as well as dragon ? {image}
......just like you just did! See, it worked!
-tah
thanks professor i get a feeling i am going to be rich soon with SonicR 
man i have always wanted to be a full time pro trader and looks like this is the system this is it !!
man i have always wanted to be a full time pro trader and looks like this is the system this is it !!Yes, quite true, saiftauheed. If I had put too much on the chart, the Eps, TPs, and SLs for both situations it might have ended up being confusing, so I just used one example to keep it simple. Information overload sometimes causes inattention. One crystal clear example was intended to get the points across, that the reader could then accurately apply in other situations..... ......just like you just did! See, it worked!
- #46,814
- Edited 2:18pm Apr 21, 2013 1:57pm | Edited 2:18pm
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
Building positions - Average DOWN, average UP, average IN ... whatever you want to name it... but read this few pages and get some idea. there are different ways to do it. some do it the smart way. some do it the clever way. one just do it my way....
Emmanuel7788, thank you for posting the .pdf "Beat the Forex Dealer". I enjoyed it thoroughly, and of course I would! A response to foxybunny's drawdown concern is stated within.
There are so many ways to trade, but there are benefits to building a position rather than throwing in all the coin on a single entry, and this brief reading points out two of those benefits should price move against the initial entry; less is lost if the SL is hit than for a single entry, and a better averaged entry price can be built than for a single entry! For one thing, that means less drawdown, not more, for the same size positions! I am glad to see something posted by someone other than myself that makes this point clear. Yes, should price not move against the initial EP, then building a position up to the same size as with the single EP involves adding at less attractive prices. Really though, isn't that a more than acceptable trade-off. After all, do not all trades, including profitable ones, more frequently than not involve PA running the trade into the red before the trade is concluded?
Think about that. Position building is a way to turn that to an advantage (better average EP), and yet lose less if the trade collapses (less drawdown, not more).
For those Sonicers that don't catch up on their reading like they should, here is emmanuel7788's very nice contribution to the thread:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...85#post6621585
Again, thank you Emmanuel7788,
-tah
- #46,815
- Apr 21, 2013 2:29pm Apr 21, 2013 2:29pm
- Joined Mar 2013 | Status: In the learning phase.. | 1,377 Posts
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
- #46,816
- Apr 21, 2013 3:10pm Apr 21, 2013 3:10pm
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
And here is a full copy of "Beat the Forex Dealer" Beat_the_Forex_Dealer Can't add it as attachment, too big for that. {image}
Loeil, great follow-up post with link for full text! Thank you. I look forward to reading it in its entirety.
-tah
- #46,817
- Apr 21, 2013 3:31pm Apr 21, 2013 3:31pm
Micros, Minis & Lots! Micro skirts, mini skirts, ....lots of short skirts! Ahhhh! Well, in the forex market using EURUSD as an example, a lot= $10/pip, a mini (lot)= $1/pip and a micro (lot)= 10 cents per pip (not one cents). Maybe someday the brokers will offer a one cent pip, perhaps call it a nano (lot)! Imagine the far reaching consequences of that! Never again would TAH get flack for showing others a position building way to trade that might over-drawdown their accounts!
I trade on Oanda and you can make the smallest of trades, less than a penny a pip. It's great for learning! BTW, really following your stuff, keep up the great work! Stay positive, don't get frustrated with negative people's comments, I'm sure there are MANY more like me here, just learning what you and Master Sonic are doing and not really posting anything. Many people appreciate your efforts!
- #46,819
- Edited 7:39pm Apr 21, 2013 5:37pm | Edited 7:39pm
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
Just Testing PVSAR....
Sonicers, do not fret because you see this totally non-SonicR trade. I am just testing the reliability of PVSRA. I viewed the trending down of price with high volumes associated with candles that were at/near or striking into the bottoms of the cycles as bull MM activity taking advantage of lower lows to build a long position. In the bigger picture of M15 (not shown) all this is happening at the previous significant PA lows. On M1 I then saw the big (green) grab for long followed immediately by the price being restored low (red), presumably for more grabbing and this is when I entered (during the blue bar) as the price started moving back up.
At the time of this picture, already the price is on a second run up....., will see how it goes.
-tah
Edit: (about 15 minutes later) Now a L-H-HL wave exists on M5 for a SonicR long entry, my trade #2 long (pic. 2).
Edit: (about 2 hours later) PVSRA: MMs are bears getting more aggressive with lows as Asian session unfolds. Added long trade #3 (pic. 3).
Sonicers, do not fret because you see this totally non-SonicR trade. I am just testing the reliability of PVSRA. I viewed the trending down of price with high volumes associated with candles that were at/near or striking into the bottoms of the cycles as bull MM activity taking advantage of lower lows to build a long position. In the bigger picture of M15 (not shown) all this is happening at the previous significant PA lows. On M1 I then saw the big (green) grab for long followed immediately by the price being restored low (red), presumably for more grabbing and this is when I entered (during the blue bar) as the price started moving back up.
At the time of this picture, already the price is on a second run up....., will see how it goes.
-tahEdit: (about 15 minutes later) Now a L-H-HL wave exists on M5 for a SonicR long entry, my trade #2 long (pic. 2).
Edit: (about 2 hours later) PVSRA: MMs are bears getting more aggressive with lows as Asian session unfolds. Added long trade #3 (pic. 3).
- #46,820
- Apr 21, 2013 6:10pm Apr 21, 2013 6:10pm
- Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts
Beat the Forex Dealer
I've read much of the full text linked by loeil, but I have to hand it to emmanuel7788 for picking out the very best, most useful part of the entirety of it. Much of the information is dated, even out dated. And for some that are unable to hedge and are restricted by FIFO, not all of what is suggested can be accomplished. The part that emmanuel7788 focused on is really good stuff.
Congratulations and thanks again to emmanuel7788.
-tah
I've read much of the full text linked by loeil, but I have to hand it to emmanuel7788 for picking out the very best, most useful part of the entirety of it. Much of the information is dated, even out dated. And for some that are unable to hedge and are restricted by FIFO, not all of what is suggested can be accomplished. The part that emmanuel7788 focused on is really good stuff.
Congratulations and thanks again to emmanuel7788.
-tah