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  • #46,681
  • Apr 19, 2013 3:58am Apr 19, 2013 3:58am
Quoting DmitryFX
I am not able to describe it better then it described before. It's up to you to use it or to not. I am using this stuff with very simple way. As soon as Liquidity gap spotted i am starting to look setups to trade in opposite direction of this gap. Usually (very high probability) PA soonest closing this gaps and begining of GAP is very good target to TP.
If i understand you correctly, it's basically a Sonic Scout trade ???
  • #46,682
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:01am Apr 19, 2013 4:01am
Quoting traderathome
YEN Sting I guess you don't care that the YEN pairs might be slated for reversals next week. Nevertheless, you have to agree that "strong daily up trends" end! You see, alkenany, I no longer care about guessing if a trend is going to hold or collapse. I don't have to guess anymore. PVSRA tells me if the MMs are bulls or bears. And I simply trade right along with them! The MMs are bears on the YEN pairs, so those trends are only going to last as long as the bear MMs keep pushing the price up to draw in longs so they can build their shorts. Once...
dear TAH,
I am following this thread since begining...many thanks to master sonic for this great system.and many thanks to you too for being great teacher for this system and for all what you did to help everyone .

agree that yen sting, and agree too that strong trend will end... but.. as said"be with trend till it end" ..and the end of the uptrend for me me is -not by guessing- but when it starts making LHs &LLs .

I spoted the up trend since beginning by this way(plus some fundmentals that was so clear that Japanese gov. made up its mind to weaken yen)..that is why i entered swing long @ 79.72 and here is the chart (that i used for that decesion ) and still keep half of it .. it is not related to sonic r because it was old and daily TF>
now SONIC R my main sys for TF less than H4 TF.
thanks again TAH for all good work and comments
please forgive me for my poor english
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  • #46,683
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:07am Apr 19, 2013 4:07am
Quoting Tymedu
The article you linked is restricted I think But interesting analysis Dmitry, looking forward with that idea
Yes, its rectricted already. But fo happy i copypasted it here.
And it is not my idea) Then Higher TF then better view we could find!
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  • #46,684
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:09am Apr 19, 2013 4:09am
As with all systems its about money management and consistency. I can see loads of trading opportunities this morning to pick up 100 plus pips on more traditional, lets call them 'retail' trading strategies all essentially based on trending patterns. This PVSRA stuff is a different ball game. The reason the big boys play it is because if you have to shift large volume you will fail every time if you try to play the trending game. If you have ever played less liquid markets, say small cap stocks as I have, you used to ring a broker (those were the days) and tell him you want 100,000 of instrument X at no more than price Y and he would tell you "thats above normal market size sir, I'll have to work the market for you and call you back when I am done". It might take him an hour or even days to fill your order at those levels, doing exactly what we are talking about here. The only question of course was if your analysis was right and your chosen stock was worth more than that. But this is what we are talking about here. Buys (and sells) being placed to achieve an average price below (or above) a certain level that traders have decided are their entry levels. All we are we trying to do is piggy back the ride. The danger we have not talked about is the draw down size, hence money management. The only answer to that is each to his own, there can be no hard and fast generic rule, every person and every trade is different. The only certainty is there will come a trade when the draw may be large (TAH I note has 7 lots on one pair, I have a few but over different pairs) therefore overall returns on this, whilst impressive in pip numbers, and probably consistency (although I cannot help thinking Nick Leeson) should be consistent as FX volatility is assured.

I think my timing could have been better this morning (hence Alkenny was not wrong, just trading to a different tune). Looking at GJ shown below there were obvious (easy in hindsight) acquisitions going on, and yes I have no doubt its a ramp up to get shorts at higher levels, but I personally would like to play this both ways and see double the profit and half the drawdown. Just a learning note for self. Back to business I am adding shorts above wholes and halves, I would prefer to end the week with a closed book but can see that may not happen and we may be waiting until next week. I suspect a bit more patience is required to wait it out until the traders have ALMOST filled their boots and the down drive is ready to begin. It's that damned second mouse again. At the moment it feels like I am the one with the helmet on.

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Katte, kabuto no o wo shime yo. Size doesn't matter, leverage is the killer
  • #46,685
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:11am Apr 19, 2013 4:11am
Quoting alkenany
dear TAH, I am following this thread since begining...many thanks to master sonic for this great system.and many thanks to you too for being great teacher for this system and for all what you did to help everyone . agree that yen sting, and agree too that strong trend will end... but.. as said"be with trend till it end" ..and the end of the uptrend for me me is -not by guessing- but when it starts making LHs &LLs . I spoted the up trend since beginning by this way(plus some fundmentals that was so clear that Japanese gov. made up its mind to weaken...
You missed Kuroda's recant of keeping the YEN devalued in the forex market! If you are going to trade what "talking heads" put out (woe be to you, my fellow trader) then at least be sure you hear the "fine print talk" that comes later!

-tah
  • #46,686
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:12am Apr 19, 2013 4:12am
Quoting traderathome
Good, You Teach Us By Showing Us Well hell, then why don't you post such trades, with nice clean charts, explaining what needs to be explained so we can understand the trade. Like, highlight on the chart the liquidity gap and explain why it is one, what significance it has, and how you are going to use it, etc. That would help us all to learn it from you instead of trying to ferret thru that material where, as you pointed out, they use 100 different words to mean the same damn thing, so folks trying to read it will give up in utter disgust! Now,...
Next time when i will post my trades in confluence with LOG I will pay yours attention to it as well.
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  • #46,687
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:20am Apr 19, 2013 4:20am
Quoting ArtfulDodger
If i understand you correctly, it's basically a Sonic Scout trade ???
Not at all. It is not PURE trading signal. This is only useful stuff to get trade confiramation.
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  • #46,688
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:22am Apr 19, 2013 4:22am
Quoting traderathome
UChf Long Trade: Added long trade #2, a Classic SonicR long. The Dragon is flat, but PVSRA says the MMs are bulls, so this will work. {image}
UChf Long Trade:

Added long trade #3, a Scout, based on MMs taking price below whole number followed by increased trading. They are bulls (PVSRA).
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  • #46,689
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:28am Apr 19, 2013 4:28am
Quoting DmitryFX
Yes, its rectricted already. But fo happy i copypasted it here. And it is not my idea) Then Higher TF then better view we could find! {image}
If you don't want post it here just send it to me by MP, all lessons are a good opportunity to learn, and this one seems interesting.
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  • #46,690
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:38am Apr 19, 2013 4:38am
Quoting DmitryFX
Here is the proof of how does it work. It works perfectly! {image}
If I got this theory right, then here should be good oppoturnity to go short? Well Professor TAH's style building positions with MM's is already being done by Professor himself for long position. If this "Liquitity cap" theory is right here and also "Building positions with MM's PVSRA way" is right, then last scout entries by TAH would be somewhere at next lower half number.

So liquitity cap theory says that price needs to go back all the way where this "CAP" started. And by cap we mean very high change in price to direction or another in really short time?

Correct?
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  • #46,691
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:41am Apr 19, 2013 4:41am
UsdChf Sell stop placed:
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  • #46,692
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:45am Apr 19, 2013 4:45am
Quoting JRissa
If I got this theory right, then here should be good oppoturnity to go short? Well Professor TAH's style building positions with MM's is already being done by Professor himself for long position. If this "Liquitity cap" theory is right here and also "Building positions with MM's PVSRA way" is right, then last scout entries by TAH would be somewhere at next lower half number. So liquitity cap theory says that price needs to go back all the way where this "CAP" started. And by cap we mean very high change in price to direction or another in...
Let's make this todays experiment, shall we?

On the chart, you can see both trade ways setup and waiting for filling. In fact the LQC trade is Classic Sonic R trade formed
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  • #46,693
  • Edited 4:59am Apr 19, 2013 4:45am | Edited 4:59am
Quoting JRissa
If I got this theory right, then here should be good oppoturnity to go short? Well Professor TAH's style building positions with MM's is already being done by Professor himself for long position. If this "Liquitity cap" theory is right here and also "Building positions with MM's PVSRA way" is right, then last scout entries by TAH would be somewhere at next lower half number. So liquitity cap theory says that price needs to go back all the way where this "CAP" started. And by cap we mean very high change in price to direction or another in...
"So liquitity cap theory says that price needs to go back all the way where this "CAP" started." -

Maybe this time, or next time, or next year. Any requirement as to when in time? My guess is no.

For me, it is just another "not definate" indicator, of which I have had my fill. I have no need of them. They are naught but a pain and strain on the brain, for no gain!

PVSRA doen't leave me guessing as to the eventual outcome, only as to the number of really good opportunities to prepare to profit from it........
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  • #46,694
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:47am Apr 19, 2013 4:47am
TAH

I love reading your trades, as I have said earlier, ideally with a time lag, or wait until you enter about the fourth position (only joking). I can see the bulls on the UsdChf at the 61.8 fib shown below. I am slightly concerned I can see an attempt to drive it back down to lower levels again before it really takes off, perhaps when US opens? Sitting on the fence at the moment in hope it will show its true colours and because I want to leave ammunition in my armoury (money management and all that). Drop me a note when you reach trade #5 would you?

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  • #46,695
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:47am Apr 19, 2013 4:47am
Quoting traderathome
"So liquitity cap theory says that price needs to go back all the way where this "CAP" started." - Maybe this time, or next time, or next year. Any requirement as to time. My guess is no. For me, it is just another "not definate" indicator, of which I have had my fill. I have no need of them. PVSRA doen't leave me guessing as to the eventual outcome, only as to the number of really good opportunities to prepare for it.
Agreed fully.

I also think that there will be times when it works and times that it doesn't. I'm more confident with PVSRA way
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  • #46,696
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:50am Apr 19, 2013 4:50am
Quoting Tymedu
If you don't want post it here just send it to me by MP, all lessons are a good opportunity to learn, and this one seems interesting.
It was posted before )))
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...81#post6615681
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  • #46,697
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:54am Apr 19, 2013 4:54am
Quoting JRissa
If I got this theory right, then here should be good oppoturnity to go short? Well Professor TAH's style building positions with MM's is already being done by Professor himself for long position. If this "Liquitity cap" theory is right here and also "Building positions with MM's PVSRA way" is right, then last scout entries by TAH would be somewhere at next lower half number. So liquitity cap theory says that price needs to go back all the way where this "CAP" started. And by cap we mean very high change in price to direction or another in...
Not sure did i understood you correct or not. Try to re-read my post with description.

p.s. And not the "CAP" but the "GAP"
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  • #46,698
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:56am Apr 19, 2013 4:56am
Quoting JRissa
Agreed fully. I also think that there will be times when it works and times that it doesn't. I'm more confident with PVSRA way
Nothing can give you 100% results! Thats why it's only one of tools of Price action analyzing.
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  • #46,699
  • Apr 19, 2013 4:59am Apr 19, 2013 4:59am
  •  Ravelt
  • | Joined Feb 2013 | Status: The Closer You Look The Less You Se | 194 Posts
If I understand it correctly, Then what's the difference with PVSRA at the end you short UsdJpy to close the gap ?? am i right ?
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  • #46,700
  • Apr 19, 2013 5:02am Apr 19, 2013 5:02am
Still remember EU target I posted earlier?
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There is high impact EUR news coming in 1,5H, so that could be the point when we reach the target. Or if we have reached target earlier, those news might start the MARK DOWN.
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For now, there is Sonic R setup to go long.
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