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  • #46,321
  • Apr 16, 2013 1:21am Apr 16, 2013 1:21am
[quote=traderathome;6607666]
Quoting emmanuel7788
Yes sir, Thank you for this constant reminder to sonicR traders. We must trade what we see on our charts. Keep that simple. Therefore I stopped reading all the commentary about the markets and about MMs and PVA etc. these are just all what some people think. Good thing you did not mention Jim Rogers.... LOL. Good Trading.[/quote Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is emmanuel, you do whatever you want. That is your right. Close your mind, but have the decency to not advise others to do so. Frankly, I doubt anyone here really...


TAH,

Of course,

I do what I want because it is my money.

You can continue to do what you want because that is your own money.

You continue to take things personally. Please learn to be calm and maintain composure when members post their views regardless how critical they may be so long asthey all write in a civil manner with mutual respect.

I was responding to Sonic post which I consider that was good advice and I take his words and advice even more seriously because he is now a fund manager. That is a fantastic progress and achievement Sonic made. It take more than a good trader to reach that level. Itis about his character - his kindness, his humility, his caring attitude towards others.

I do not post any trade charts here like many other members also stopped posting here. Reasons ... you forgot. You should go back and read all your replies to members who post here and were told off. You act like a moderator for this thread andcontrol others from posting and asking questions.

I catch upwith this thread and on Sunday, I read your responses to members asking questions and how they got that same consistent treatment from you. There are many new members reading this thread. This thread has reached above 46,300 posts.You made more than 10,800 post. An enormous number of posts to read. I know the importance that everyone read all the posts in this thread. Don’t you agreewith me that some help for the new members would go a long way to help them learn to trade this SonicR system. A gentle and kindly worded reply will go a long way to keep members interested here and help them learn and become successfulin trading SonicR.

I have asuggestion for you to consider:

1) You start you own thread to show your trades in the Trading Journal forum and you can continue topost your trade charts in real-time so everyone can follow and continue to learn the way you trade.

2) For new releases and new developments of technical indicators for SonicR system, you can start a new thread in the Platform Tech forum and share them there. Thisis what other MT4 developers / members do for other trading systems.

The above 2 suggestions will allow you to have full control of the threads and you have the rights to ban anyone who do not follow your rules. This will also help keep this SonicR thread to focus on new members who wants to learn trade the original Classic and Scout trades without those tweaks you made for yourself. We need to help new traders understand and learn money management and risk management in the way Sonic would want all his sonicers to follow. After all he is a fund manager now. We all have a lot more to learn from him going forward. Moreover, members also need to learn how to manage their trades after entry and we can have real-time postings and discussions in realtime market.
Look forward to your reply.

Regards.
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  • #46,322
  • Apr 16, 2013 1:27am Apr 16, 2013 1:27am
Quoting sonicdeejay
This is what I mean.. DO not rush in and open Long because there is possible stopping volume spotted.. Wait for High Low to form, wave up to form.. Sonic {image}

It pays to be patience..



Sonic
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  • #46,323
  • Edited 2:03am Apr 16, 2013 1:50am | Edited 2:03am
Gold:

Bear MMs moved price up thru 3/4 number to S&R, heavy trading, bears loading shorts. Here is where I'd short if I traded gold. I don't. With such a down trend, just too risky to have ever considered a long; trading the pullups orchestrated by bear MMs? No thank you. Gold is highly manipulated. Even now, the bear MMs could push it higher. This S&R area is a place to start building a short trade, though, as I see it. If it goes higher, sufficiently (above whole number?), add another short.

Anyway, I won't comment on gold anymore. It just isn't my cup of tea.
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  • #46,324
  • Apr 16, 2013 1:52am Apr 16, 2013 1:52am
[quote=emmanuel7788;6607779]
Quoting traderathome
TAH, Of course, I do what I want because it is my money. You can continue to do what you want because that is your own money. You continue to take things personally. Please learn to be calm and maintain composure when members post their views regardless how critical they may be so long asthey all write in a civil manner with mutual respect. I was responding to Sonic post which I consider that was good advice and I take his words and advice even more seriously because he is now a fund manager. That is a fantastic progress...
Surprise to me, that my nickname appear on the list for one of the most replies to this Sonic thread.

Emmanuel, the reason I am posting to you is not because of the above, rather it is regarding to Jim Rogers.

Just remember that Jim Rogers is NOT a trader(in the short-term), this he has said so himself many times, and he does NOT know how to time the market.
To trade like him means a person must be a much longer-term investor, a contrarian and a valued investor.
Jim knows what he is doing and has proven successful with a style that suits him best.

As most are traders here at ForexFactory & SonicR are short-term traders, we will have to trade like a trader, and not trade forex like an investor.
  • #46,325
  • Edited 2:27am Apr 16, 2013 2:15am | Edited 2:27am
[quote=emmanuel7788;6607779]
Quoting traderathome
TAH, Of course, I do what I want because it is my money. You can continue to do what you want because that is your own money. You continue to take things personally. Please learn to be calm and maintain composure when members post their views regardless how critical they may be so long asthey all write in a civil manner with mutual respect. I was responding to Sonic post which I consider that was good advice and I take his words and advice even more seriously because he is now a fund manager. That is a fantastic progress...
So Far You've Been Talk, No Action To Benefit Sonicers

My reply is this. You haven't contributed to this thread anything but discord and criticism, never any real thesis on how to do anything, nothing any new Sonicer could benefit from. I'll stack my record in that area against yours any day of the week.

Now, if you'd really like to contribute, try presenting some things of what you think are missing, some things that new and old Sonicers alike can actually use to help themselves in any of the areas you feel are not yet sufficiently defined.

-tah
  • #46,326
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:29am Apr 16, 2013 2:29am
This is spoiling a really good thread. I am not learning from personal criticism.
Katte, kabuto no o wo shime yo. Size doesn't matter, leverage is the killer
  • #46,327
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:31am Apr 16, 2013 2:31am
[quote=traderathome;6607866]
Quoting emmanuel7788
You Are All Talk, No Action My reply is this. You haven't contributed to this thread anything but discord and criticism, never any real thesis on how to do anything, nothing any new Sonicer could benefit from. I'll stack my record in that area against yours any day of the week. Now, if you'd really like to contribute, try presenting some things of what you think are missing, some things that new and old Sonicers alike can actually use to help themselves in any of the areas you feel are not yet sufficiently defined. -tah...

TAH,


This post worded is exactly what you are.
You need to open up to other people here in Forex Factory.
It will hurt a lot less when you open up, be humble, learn to accept other members views.
You don't give other members any chance to post their view becasue you 'rubbish and crap' everything what other members posted.
You can continue to post your belief in your PVA, the members are discerning matured traders and they know what works and what not.
You can continue using this thread to boost you ego.

Good Luck, you need this more than I do.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #46,328
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:38am Apr 16, 2013 2:38am
Quoting revoli
This is spoiling a really good thread. I am not learning from personal criticism.
revoli,

A good thread spirit started by Sonic for 'Sharing is Caring' had been distracted for a very long time.
There is nothing personal except when people take them as personal.
I just posted and express my views after I read all those posts made in reply to members asking simple qeustions and were told off again and again and on Sunday.
You have not read all the 46,000+ posts. It is just too much to read but is necessary.
We need to change the tone of how members posts can be responded with some gentleness and kindness, the way Sonic had done in the past and the way he is still doing. No need for harsh school masterly sort of behaviour from one member towards others here in a public forum.

regards,
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #46,329
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:40am Apr 16, 2013 2:40am
[quote=emmanuel7788;6607912]
Quoting traderathome
TAH, This post worded is exactly what you are. You need to open up to other people here in Forex Factory. It will hurt a lot less when you open up, be humble, learn to accept other members views. You don't give other members any chance to post their view becasue you 'rubbish and crap' everything what other members posted. You can continue to post your belief in your PVA, the members are discerning matured traders and they know what works and what not. You can continue using this thread to boost you ego. Good Luck, you...
Revoli is Right

This is spoiling the thread. I shall continue to improve and provide improvements to help Sonicers. You can continue to infrequently drop in to criticize the manner in which I do so.

-tah
  • #46,330
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:42am Apr 16, 2013 2:42am
It might be good time to start looking for bearish Sonic R setup to form on Yen pairs. Price has retraced to recent daily high and to dragon on 1h chart. Volumes are high at highs, so scout might be appropiate soon, if not already.
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  • #46,331
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:44am Apr 16, 2013 2:44am
Quoting scuderia
GU possible Long {image}
GU:

AU and EU dropping, so this might too. Be careful if you went long.
  • #46,332
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:48am Apr 16, 2013 2:48am
[quote=foxybunny;6607828]
Quoting emmanuel7788
Surprise to me, that my nickname appear on the list for one of the most replies to this Sonic thread. Emmanuel, the reason I am posting to you is not because of the above, rather it is regarding to Jim Rogers. Just remember that Jim Rogers is NOT a trader(in the short-term), this he has said so himself many times, and he does NOT know how to time the market. To trade like him means a person must be a much longer-term investor, a contrarian and a valued investor. Jim knows what he is doing and has proven successful with...

foxybunny,

Yes, your are correct that Jim Rogers is a valued investor, in the rank like George Soros and company. They look at macro economics and world events. They know better what moves the markets.
He is not short term trader like many people in FF. Most of us are technical traders. We trade off the charts what we see.
I often ask, what type of trader are we? scalpers, day traders, swing traders or position traders.
SoniceR works for all traders type when traders learn to adapt to the timeframe they chose to trade in and build in their own money management and risk management.
There are investor-trader type out there I know who trade forex with their other businesses.

regards,
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #46,333
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:51am Apr 16, 2013 2:51am
[quote=emmanuel7788;6607912]
Quoting traderathome
TAH, This post worded is exactly what you are. You need to open up to other people here in Forex Factory. It will hurt a lot less when you open up, be humble, learn to accept other members views. You don't give other members any chance to post their view becasue you 'rubbish and crap' everything what other members posted. You can continue to post your belief in your PVA, the members are discerning matured traders and they know what works and what not. You can continue using this thread to boost you ego. Good Luck,...
Here is my "PVA" trade for today. Inspired from the comments of Mr. TraderAtHome I worked it out for my own use. I believe it is significant and shows the action behind the price action.
My apologies for polluting this thread.

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  • #46,334
  • Apr 16, 2013 2:54am Apr 16, 2013 2:54am
UJ Short Trade:

Entered short, a Scout based on price being popped above local SR with relative high trading during the event, indicating the MMs are bears.
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  • #46,335
  • Apr 16, 2013 3:00am Apr 16, 2013 3:00am
UJ Long trade:

Classic entry. I waited til the price went up EMA89 to entry. U can see a long pinbar at the bottom with high volume. I think this could be MM's closing shorts and opening longs for a while. I do not trust the price can go further than 100 but maybe the MM's want to push up the price again to add shorts around 100. Before to entry I checked the volume in M1 below half number (97.5) and I saw high activity at the bottoms, probably confirming my theory.

I don't know if I'm right or not, but I'll try. If TAH, Sonic or any of you want to give feedback, please feel free, we are here to learn.

PS. Stop that trash talk about "I have it bigger than you". Nonsense. We are all here to learn and we have to support each other.
PS2. So nice to post 1 minute after a trade of the master doing the opposite lol
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  • #46,336
  • Apr 16, 2013 3:00am Apr 16, 2013 3:00am
nice chart setup for UJ short
  • #46,337
  • Apr 16, 2013 3:03am Apr 16, 2013 3:03am
[quote=traderathome;6607947]
Quoting emmanuel7788
Revoli is Right This is spoiling the thread. I shall continue to improve and provide improvements to help Sonicers. You can continue to infrequently drop in to criticize the manner in which I do so. -tah
TAH,

I do agree revoli is right what his views are.

But what I try to put to you is to be gentle and kind in your reply to members asking questions.
Your posts replies made on Sunday to several members really need some gentle touch. After all, it was a Sunday and many people go to church, temple, etc... and it is a good day for doing good with kindness. Do you agree with me?

I do follow this thread regularly ... because I find value what Sonic is doing for his 'investors' here. He is the image you have to learn to grow into.
Like I said, you did a great job in providing those indicators for the folks here. Keep up this good work. I am sure members agree with me on this one.

You just need to be open to members posting their different views and whatever they added to their charts is their business. Be gentle when you have to tell these members off. There is no need to tell people off that their post are 'rubbish' and 'crap'. Ichimoku is not rubbish nor crap. That hurt people when you tell them off this way. There are successful systems using Ichimoku. After all, whatever techncial indicators, they are all derived from the real price.

My contribution may sound like I am criticising you. But the gist is that I want to see a change in the way members are being treated when you reply their post to help them.

regards,
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #46,338
  • Apr 16, 2013 3:13am Apr 16, 2013 3:13am
[quote=Mingary;6607984]
Quoting emmanuel7788
Here is my "PVA" trade for today. Inspired from the comments of Mr. TraderAtHome I worked it out for my own use. I believe it is significant and shows the action behind the price action. My apologies for polluting this thread. {image}

Hi Mingary,

Nice to see you drop by this SonicR thread.
I have no problem with your chart posted.
I trade stock using a system using PVI but this PVA is still something new to me.
Volume characterictis does tell a story behind what goes on behind the Price Action.
So it is good to read that you had worked out and use PVA successfully. Thank you for sharing.

Regards,
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #46,339
  • Apr 16, 2013 3:14am Apr 16, 2013 3:14am
[quote=emmanuel7788;6608020]
Quoting traderathome
....the gist is that I want to see a change in the way members are being treated when you reply their post to help them. regards,
emmanuel7788,

Tell you what.....you reply to their posts to help them. Give me a break!

-tah
  • #46,340
  • Edited 4:04am Apr 16, 2013 3:40am | Edited 4:04am
Trade What You See

If the baker handed you a chocolate chip cookie to eat, you probably would. I would. Anyone would. But, if just before the cookie went into your mouth the baker said those were not chips of chocolate, but of something disgusting and distastful, you probably would not eat it. Right?

So, do we trade what we see? What is it we are seeing? That might be the better question. All good looking setups do not turn out good! Why do they not all turn out good? What is the difference? Is there a way to determine the difference and avoid trading the ones that are not going to turn out good?

There is a difference. Just like a bull candle can be the result of bullish sentiment, but can also be the result of manipulation by bear MMs, a Sonic R. setup can be genuine and turn out good, or it can be a fake. The difference is whether the MMs are what the setup suggests they are, or if the MMs are opposite. Determine whether the MMs are bulls or bears. If they are bulls, then a long setup will turn out good and a short setup will not. If they are bears, then a short setup will turn out good and a long setup will not.

Can we determine whether the MMs are bulls or bears? According to some, there is no way to determine this and avoid those setups that are not going to turn out good. I believe we can determine whether the MMs are bulls or bears before trading a setup. And anytime we cannot, then we don't trade the setup.

How can we determine whether the MMs are bulls or bears? That is what I am teaching via my own trades I am posting and additional commentary. Anyone that does not believe and is not interested can simply skip my posts.

-tah
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