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  • #61
  • Apr 5, 2013 10:04am Apr 5, 2013 10:04am
Quoting forrestang
Apologies.... I mis-stated my question. I mean to say, "when I try to add any of the grids into the MT4 Folder, it just doesn't do anything when I load it up onto a chart." NT == NinjaTrader. I wanted to see some of the metrics from the scripts you guys created in MT4, so that I could do some exploratory work in NT, which is what I'm used to writing various scripts for.
Is there any error in MT4? What EA did you use? Have you compile the EA before load it up onto chart?
  • #62
  • Apr 5, 2013 10:15am Apr 5, 2013 10:15am
Quoting ~bull.bear~
Is there any error in MT4? What EA did you use? Have you compile the EA before load it up onto chart?
No errors. It all the grids I've tried show up in the left hand pane, under "Custom Indicators." But when I try to drag-n-drop onto a chart, literally nothing happens like with all the other custom indies I've installed in MT4.

If I right click, and try to edit in the editor so that I can compile it, it won't open.

I have a few grid I've tried, I think most I downloaded from either this thread, or one other. In my list they are:

  1. 02B BreakGrid
  2. Grid MonsterEA~
  3. GRID V102
  4. GRID V102.3
  5. Grid_Demo
  6. MakeGrid193BE

  • #63
  • Apr 5, 2013 5:50pm Apr 5, 2013 5:50pm
Quoting forrestang
No errors. It all the grids I've tried show up in the left hand pane, under "Custom Indicators." But when I try to drag-n-drop onto a chart, literally nothing happens like with all the other custom indies I've installed in MT4. If I right click, and try to edit in the editor so that I can compile it, it won't open. I have a few grid I've tried, I think most I downloaded from either this thread, or one other. In my list they are: 02B BreakGrid Grid MonsterEA~ GRID V102 GRID V102.3 Grid_Demo MakeGrid193BE
If the grids are EAs, you should place them in the experts folder ... not indicators folder ...
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #64
  • Apr 7, 2013 6:24am Apr 7, 2013 6:24am
Quoting FerruFx
If the grids are EAs, you should place them in the experts folder ... not indicators folder ...
Thanks, got it working!
  • #65
  • Apr 7, 2013 6:36am Apr 7, 2013 6:36am
Quoting forrestang
Thanks, got it working!
Great!
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #66
  • Apr 7, 2013 6:50am Apr 7, 2013 6:50am
Quoting ~bull.bear~
Look like it is impossible to generate profit for bigger movement/high volatility in year 2007 onward. No matter how i tweak the system by using "Ranging movement in certain time, ranging FX pair, martingale, trailing stop and optimized test", the probability is still below 80%. Now think i should put this case into fixed pattern (Support and resistance maybe...) for the order replacement to see if this works.
No. It won't work after i have done thousand of hypothesis test and analysis. Finally i realize one concept, all the available systems are not working forever. It works sometimes if market is good enough. Grid system is just part of the trade management, is a contribution to RR ratio. Grid is also a method to open position as much as possible in order to earn more due to bigger lots size in total at different price level, meaning to say it it better to enter the trade by using multiple position rather than one position to trade.

So the deep testing and fine tuning of Version 101 is closed now.
  • #67
  • Apr 7, 2013 6:56am Apr 7, 2013 6:56am
Quoting ~bull.bear~
No. It won't work after i have done thousand of hypothesis test and analysis. Finally i realize one concept, all the available systems are not working forever. It works sometimes if market is good enough. Grid system is just part of the trade management, is a contribution to RR ratio. Grid is also a method to open position as much as possible in order to earn more due to bigger lots size in total at different price level, meaning to say it it better to enter the trade by using multiple position rather than one position to trade.
Just a thought, but have you noticed whether or not the system is more likely to fail once price reaches a certain extension beyond the open?

I.e, if for example the Average Daily Range is say 80 pips...... Would it be obvious to see if there is a certain threshold that the EA should STOP taking trades? I.e. say if price moved greater than that 80 pips off the open, the EA should stop?

Similarly on the smaller side, maybe there is some minimum distance, I.e 20 pips where you would want to WAIT till price moves a minimum distance before initiating any trades?

Just a thought?
  • #68
  • Apr 7, 2013 7:08am Apr 7, 2013 7:08am
Quoting forrestang
Just a thought, but have you noticed whether or not the system is more likely to fail once price reaches a certain extension beyond the open? I.e, if for example the Average Daily Range is say 80 pips...... Would it be obvious to see if there is a certain threshold that the EA should STOP taking trades? I.e. say if price moved greater than that 80 pips off the open, the EA should stop? Similarly on the smaller side, maybe there is some minimum distance, I.e 20 pips where you would want to WAIT till price moves a minimum distance before initiating...
Yes. I have this idea. However, it won't work forever. And even if i have the optimal setting, but the optimal value is the past tense. Unless there is some kind of value maybe volatility (Std deviation, CCI, ATR ....), to give a reference value for parameter configuration. Meaning to say, if volatility is x value, so optimal parameters would be y configuration, different volatility gives different optimal value. Then it would work with follow the market behaviour.
  • #69
  • Apr 7, 2013 7:11am Apr 7, 2013 7:11am
Quoting ~bull.bear~
Yes. I have this idea. However, it won't work forever. And even if i have the optimal setting, but the optimal value is the past tense. Unless there is some kind of value maybe volatility (Std deviation, CCI, ATR ....), to give a reference value for parameter configuration. Meaning to say, if volatility is x value, so optimal parameters would be y configuration, different volatility gives different optimal value. Then it would work with follow the market behaviour.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Was thinking maybe something like ADR might give that 'rolling' value that would take into account volatility.
  • #70
  • Edited 7:34am Apr 7, 2013 7:23am | Edited 7:34am
Quoting forrestang
Yeah, I know what you mean. Was thinking maybe something like ADR might give that 'rolling' value that would take into account volatility.
Em...but in my opinion, indicator is always lagging. It is not useful. The only way is to use big grid size. This had been tested, it works well forever. However, i am not going to earn this small money for my patience. I might post here later if time is allowed. What i have noticed from the chart, let say EURUSD, price does always move swing high and low to form a small wave, usually it swing 30 to 50 pips before it continue further the direction. So if the grid size is set just tight, then it would fail many times. This is why bigger grid size works well.
  • #71
  • Edited Apr 8, 2013 4:06am Apr 7, 2013 8:03am | Edited Apr 8, 2013 4:06am
Version 202: 2x Risk and 3x Reward Grid EA
It works well for bigger grid size 100 pips no matter how does the market react, whether is during Lehman bro crisis, euro crisis or whenever event. If you check from the higher time frame chart, you will know how exactly the trend reacts, and 100 pips x 2 can filter many correction, and small swing high and low.


The EA has been backtested during 2004 to 2010 by using capital $5000 with 1 fixed lot size. No MM is applied.
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  • #72
  • Jun 14, 2013 3:39am Jun 14, 2013 3:39am
I'm not a grid expert but could I throw out quick observation - grid systems work best in ranges, right? So why not just run the grid on a ranging pair (eg EURGBP) and during a ranging period (eg Asian session)?
  • #73
  • Jun 14, 2013 8:03am Jun 14, 2013 8:03am
Quoting TheMaxx
I'm not a grid expert but could I throw out quick observation - grid systems work best in ranges, right? So why not just run the grid on a ranging pair (eg EURGBP) and during a ranging period (eg Asian session)?
Depend on which type of grid system, maybe those orders with buylimit and selllimit could fullfill this scenario. But i don't think any of the EA here works in ranging case except version V101 might work.

By the way, i have found and understand that grid is just a portion of one system. In fact, it is belong to trade management more than just a standalone grid system, because i have the successful system privately. Thanks.
  • #74
  • Last Post: Jun 14, 2013 8:54am Jun 14, 2013 8:54am
Quoting ~bull.bear~
{quote} Depend on which type of grid system, maybe those orders with buylimit and selllimit could fullfill this scenario. But i don't think any of the EA here works in ranging case except version V101 might work. By the way, i have found and understand that grid is just a portion of one system. In fact, it is belong to trade management more than just a standalone grid system, because i have the successful system privately. Thanks.
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