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  • #45,661
  • Apr 3, 2013 3:36pm Apr 3, 2013 3:36pm
Quoting JRissa
Entered short AUDCAD. Asian session trade... {image}
AUDCAD Short Trade

JRissa, good find! H&S won't be in play until PA breaks down thru neckline, but meanwhile the short trade you clued us to looks good!

Entered short. No SL and no TP at this time.
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  • #45,662
  • Edited 4:13pm Apr 3, 2013 3:39pm | Edited 4:13pm
Quoting traderathome
GU Comment: Bull MMs are pushing down prices to load up on longs. {image}
Quoting Tymedu
Hi TAH. Why do you still think GU is bullish? I´m looking at the 4h chart and I see this: - Double top around a weekly resistance area; - H-L-LH-LL-LH? - PinBar in the first LH (bearish reversal candle) - Posible engulfing bar (bearish reversal pattern) if this last candle close like in the image - Under de dragon - Under de EMA89 Of course I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just curious about your point of view. {image}
GU:

This should answer your question (pic. #1).....

Edit: And if that was not sufficient to convince you, then look at the added pic. #2! So, unless you think the MMs depressed the prices just so they could have the opportunity to sell at those lows, the only other conclusion you can come to is,...........they are buyers!

BTW, pic. #3 is a different way to view H4. Try it on for size. The Accumulation Phase can be extensive because much time can be needed to close maybe huge short positions gradually so the MMs don't raise the price on themselves while taking profit. Then even more time is needed to open huge long positions gradually so the MMs don't raise the price on themselves while doing so. The Accumulation Phase should really be termed the Buying Phase; buying to close shorts and buying to open longs. The MMs have to do all this buying as covertly as possible because they don't want the price to go up until they are ready for it to go up! Get the picture?

Pic. #4 shows the ultimate price manipulation strategy in the MMs book of strategies, quickly hitting the stops on longs and triggering into the market pending short orders, both of which instantly create liquidity for the MMs to get more of their own long orders filled before any other traders can take much advantage of the low prices to get longs for themselves!
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  • #45,663
  • Apr 3, 2013 4:10pm Apr 3, 2013 4:10pm
Nice to see that point of view. I guess tomorrow we will have an answer. I still think it's bearish but the good thing is that I will learn something for sure.

Thanks for your analysis!
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  • #45,664
  • Edited 4:44pm Apr 3, 2013 4:17pm | Edited 4:44pm
Quoting Tymedu
Nice to see that point of view. I guess tomorrow we will have an answer. I still think it's bearish but the good thing is that I will learn something for sure. Thanks for your analysis!
PVA Example

Price and volume, when used properly with S&R and the highs and lows of PA swings is uncannily accurate in revealing whether the MMs are bulls or are bears. As I said, the only thing that cannot be known, can never be known, is the timing of their planned breakout. The picture here is very clear. PA came back up thru the lower whole number on extremely high trading (very bullish). PA leveled off at the next half number. Now some MM(s) are pegging the price back down (where it runs into support at a local S&R level) in order to do what? The phrase is, "Buy low, sell high." So you figure it out! What do you think the MM(s) did when they got the price down there? It is all laid out for anyone to see on the M1 pictures already posted.

Finally, if you want an indication that might be confirming the MMs are bulls, from a higher TF, then may I suggest you look at the pin bar on the Monthly chart.

However, how many times have we seen bull MMs repeatedly step prices lower (in order to capture better priced longs), which in actuality was a perfect environment to "....trade what we see..." and make profits trading short! How many times have we seen bear MMs repeately step prices higher (in order to capture better priced shorts), which in actuality was a perfect environment to "....trade what we see..." and make profits trading long! So, be the MMs bulls or bears, though we can build a position (like they do) based on their stepping down/up (respectively) the prices, we can simply "....trade what we see....", which is really the message Master Sonicdeejay encourages us all to focus on.
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  • #45,665
  • Apr 3, 2013 5:00pm Apr 3, 2013 5:00pm
THIS IS A PREVIEW OF EU
The goal is still far away but we should get 30 days of programming.

I'm working to get a quick analysis of the trends of 8-10 cross, on which to choose the best opportunities in trend, this is a first draft, I have to turn it down a bit but the timeframe we begin to see something.
Then act with Sonic, for operations.
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  • #45,666
  • Apr 3, 2013 5:02pm Apr 3, 2013 5:02pm
AU Comment:

Sydney just opened, so let's see what is in store for this pair, what with two AUD high impacts 2.5 hours away.....
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  • #45,667
  • Edited 5:47pm Apr 3, 2013 5:24pm | Edited 5:47pm
Quoting Apollo14
THIS IS A PREVIEW OF EU The goal is still far away but we should get 30 days of programming. I'm working to get a quick analysis of the trends of 8-10 cross, on which to choose the best opportunities in trend, this is a first draft, I have to turn it down a bit but the timeframe we begin to see something. Then act with Sonic, for operations. {image} {image} {image}
Will never happen. The falicy is in thinking that the future decisions by the MMs can be predicted using the past movements of price. The only two "truths" in trading are: 1) MMs move price for one reason, and one reason only,....to increase profits or to decrease losses, and 2) MMs can, at any time, decide to turn around the direction of price movement and take the price to whatever level they damn well can afford, in order to screw others out of money in the process.

No indicator, or combination of indicators will ever be able to devine the future decisions made by those who control market prices. Trading successfully requires coming to a good understanding of what the MMs might be doing, based on pure PA and volume relative to S&R.

The Sonic R. System is elegantly simple and effective. It will not change. Charts such as you show (one attached hereto) will never be able to serve the Sonic R. System. I respectfully suggest either you decide to learn the Sonic R. System and develop your skills with it's simplicity, or start a new thread for whatever it is you are trying to do.

-tah
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  • #45,668
  • Apr 3, 2013 8:43pm Apr 3, 2013 8:43pm
Quoting traderathome
AUDCAD Short Trade JRissa, good find! H&S won't be in play until PA breaks down thru neckline, but meanwhile the short trade you clued us to looks good! Entered short. No SL and no TP at this time. {image}
AUDCAD Short Trade

Added short trade #2, a Scout based on the fact the two AUD releases were responded to by the MMs without genuine support. Instead, the MMs waited a bit, then drove aussie pairs only a small amount back to previous S&R levels, really only to gain better prices for adding more trades against the aussie. Still no SL is set, nor a TP.
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  • #45,669
  • Apr 3, 2013 9:00pm Apr 3, 2013 9:00pm
A Lesson in Price-Volume Analysis (PVA)

I stated in an earlier post....

"The only two "truths" in trading are: 1) MMs move price for one reason, and one reason only,....to increase profits or to decrease losses, and 2) MMs can, at any time, decide to turn around the direction of price movement and take the price to whatever level they damn well can afford, in order to screw others out of money in the process.

No indicator, or combination of indicators will ever be able to devine the future decisions made by those who control market prices. Trading successfully requires coming to a good understanding of what the MMs might be doing, based on pure PA and volume relative to S&R."

....and here is an picture that illustrates both truths. It shows the MMs response to the earlier AUD releases. The MMs suddenly drove the price up almost 40 pips, undoubtedly wiping out many shorts by hitting SLs. Now, the MMs are bears themselves, but this was a move to screw other bears. And how do we know the MMs are bears? Just look at the two red volume bars immediately following the single green volume bar. Clearly, once the MMs had the price up about 40 pips, they poured on their own orders. Those would be "sell" orders, of course, unless you mistakenly believe the MMs hiked the price just so they could be privileged to buy more at higher prices! And now the price remains high for the MMs to continue shorting for as long as liquidity here exists. As for the volume of the green bar that hiked the price, well the MMs may have had to do some "buying" to get the price up there, but all of it easily closed for profit once the higher target price was achieved. The MMs don't lose on these price manipulations to get the price where they want it.
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  • #45,670
  • Apr 3, 2013 9:19pm Apr 3, 2013 9:19pm
EU, Another Price-Volume Analysis

Look at the tiny red candle near the bottom of a prolonged drive down of the price instigated by some MM(s). Now look at the volume bar associated with that candle! There can only be one conclusion: the price manipulating MM(s) are extremely bullish, having driven the price down to obtain lower priced longs.
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  • #45,671
  • Apr 3, 2013 9:39pm Apr 3, 2013 9:39pm
Quoting traderathome
EU, Another Price-Volume Analysis Look at the tiny red candle near the bottom of a prolonged drive down of the price instigated by some MM(s). Now look at the volume bar associated with that candle! There can only be one conclusion: the price manipulating MM(s) are extremely bullish, having driven the price down to obtain lower priced longs. {image}
I fully agree with you, if we are looking at H4 TF, it won't be hard for us to find out the phase of the moment is "Accumulation".

Cheers
  • #45,672
  • Apr 4, 2013 12:01am Apr 4, 2013 12:01am
What was it? intervention?
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  • #45,673
  • Apr 4, 2013 12:08am Apr 4, 2013 12:08am
Just took profit from GJ and UJ.

Sorry, that I didn't have time last night to post entries (also I was on iPhone mobile mt4 that is pain in the ass to post charts here), but here you can atleast see reasons for entries at that time.

GJ +169pips
UJ +80pips
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  • #45,674
  • Apr 4, 2013 12:17am Apr 4, 2013 12:17am
And now it might might be the time to reverse and go short on GJ at least from Yen pairs, but I would definately wait for Sonic R setup to form before entering short.
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I know the secret...
  • #45,675
  • Apr 4, 2013 12:27am Apr 4, 2013 12:27am
Quoting traderathome
A Lesson in Price-Volume Analysis (PVA) I stated in an earlier post.... "The only two "truths" in trading are: 1) MMs move price for one reason, and one reason only,....to increase profits or to decrease losses, and 2) MMs can, at any time, decide to turn around the direction of price movement and take the price to whatever level they damn well can afford, in order to screw others out of money in the process. No indicator, or combination of indicators will ever be able to devine the future decisions made by those who control market prices. Trading...
A Lesson in Price-Volume Analysis (PVA)

Here's the proof....
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  • #45,676
  • Apr 4, 2013 12:47am Apr 4, 2013 12:47am
It might be the time to start waiting for Sonic R setup to form on EG short.

Just for the heads up!
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  • #45,677
  • Apr 4, 2013 1:44am Apr 4, 2013 1:44am
Taking profits in UJ + 258pips
Still short in GU, already moved the SL to 0, at the moment +46pips.

Today is an important day for the GU in the fundamental way. If we have bad comments from BoE, we could reach 1.48. However, a positive comment could restart the bullish preasure.

I wanna thank you all of you for this thread and system. And ofc, for being so patience about users questions.

Best.
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  • #45,678
  • Edited 2:35am Apr 4, 2013 2:01am | Edited 2:35am
MM is BULL with high volume at support area
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  • #45,679
  • Apr 4, 2013 2:07am Apr 4, 2013 2:07am
Quoting forexisfine
MM is BULL with high volume at support area {image}
Totally agree, but as I said this morning is full of fundamental news, so be careful The price needs to break that level yoy say to continue being bearish.
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  • #45,680
  • Apr 4, 2013 2:14am Apr 4, 2013 2:14am
Hi ALL,

please anybody has ea for placing forexfactory major news event on the chart as SONIC R did on the first page of this thread?

Thanks ALL.
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