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  • #1,821
  • Mar 30, 2013 1:04pm Mar 30, 2013 1:04pm
Could somebody explain why all this proof of someone else's trading is important? I'm not trying to be funny but I really don't get it, I may be missing something here.

  • #1,822
  • Mar 30, 2013 1:15pm Mar 30, 2013 1:15pm
Quoting ichimoku
Dear Seneca Pilot,

I understand the word fade, but not in this trading context. Could you tell me what fading the return to the open means?

Thank you,
Ichimoku
Fading is simply selling when price tests the level from below and buying when price tests the level from above.
  • #1,823
  • Mar 30, 2013 1:36pm Mar 30, 2013 1:36pm
Quoting Seneca pilot
Fading is simply selling when price tests the level from below and buying when price tests the level from above.
Thank you!
  • #1,824
  • Mar 30, 2013 1:36pm Mar 30, 2013 1:36pm
Quoting FX Alex
Could somebody explain why all this proof of someone else's trading is important? I'm not trying to be funny but I really don't get it, I may be missing something here.

I don't get it either. Doesn't take long to test a method. Only reason I did the myfxbook is that I am considering becoming an auto trade provider.
  • #1,825
  • Edited 4:03pm Mar 30, 2013 1:48pm | Edited 4:03pm
Quoting FX Alex
Could somebody explain why all this proof of someone else's trading is important? I'm not trying to be funny but I really don't get it, I may be missing something here.
It's important because many people on ForexFactory created threads for ego reasons to claim that they can trade. One example is MPC Adam at this thread, http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=394089 . He created 13 threads to talk about his method but when it came to proving, his results was pathetic, http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MPca...italnet/462070. He even go into a competitor's thread to justify his method when the other guy could trade better. If we had not pressed for proof, MPC could still be fooling people into subscribing to his $100/mth signal service.

Another simple system - Time-Frame 15
This is another popular thread with no proof of real success. When pressed to show his Myfxbook, this "guru" decided to disappear. I know his last post sounded ridiculous, but his followers continued to worship his method for 1375 pages and 20,619 posts. Why did he decided to disappear? Because he could not produce any proof.

Quoting loveevery1
The Day has come.....

I came to help you guys with absolutely no intention of getting anything in return.All i got from you are heartburns.Now you must be thinking why is this guys coming up with on the second day after gibril left ?
was his motive to make money....since he couldnt so he is leaving ? Think whatever you want guys...After all my heartbreaks i was still sticking to this thread for the sake of others...One of my brothers keeps saying that FOREX IS NOT FOR ME AND IM IN THE WRONG BUSINESS....I think he was right....This place is surrounded by lot of back biting brothers....Trust me folks....im crying....now.

I came to know from my wellwisher today.That the person whom i trusted (im not talking about brother Gibril here) spoke something which is not right about me....why why why.....Doubting is bad for whatever reason you do.I always told you folks and im again telling you...i only helped you guys to see it clearly on the charts and in real life.....Doubt will not let you be a human being....

When i have done something wrong..I have come up to this thread and i apologised...eventhough i dont need to,eventhough its not my fault.Then why back talking ?I know certain brothers are programmed in that way.I still dont hate brother gibril....Coz hating is DARKNESS.For whatever reason you hate...its still darkness...I dont like darkness.My heart...My Mind....My body...i want everything to stay pure...It was indeed very relaxed before starting this thread.I dont think any thread would have reached such heights in a very short time..Its all coz of HIM and even this is coz of HIM.....

No one knows me as a person.I blindly trust people.Even now the person who cares for me told me my biggest problem with trusting anybody and everybody and sharing things with them.He told me that someone whom i trusted was talking soemthing which is not right about me...But why why why....I only thought good or you folks....This is a real human being crying...brothers...Im not fake not made of stone like those self centered people with the human body....I was upset very much with this gibril thingy...i dont know his intention may be he simply called me brother////just for the sake of calling and he even wrote mail to my wife...explaining her about me and things...but i did not think like that...If you are thinking " its so foolish to think like that to someone whom you have never met!!!!.....but tell me guys how can LOVING someone be bad ? let him be anybody...i love bin laden...im the only person in the who is saying this...u might think im mad,,,, no no....im only loving...how can that be bad.....you pray to god and you u hate a bad person....u are inviting more darkness to you by doing that....You go to temple/church/mosque.....and pray for hours and you dont follow one thing that was told to u....then whats the point of going there and wasting ur time...

You people simply sell a product for double the rate to another human being...and you call it business!!! how can that be right...ofcourse everyone needs to survive...sell at a 5 or 10% profit not triple the profit....or give it free if you have got something free...why charge him....? i know what u guys are thinking....you dumb head with these policies you cant lead a life...!!!!!.....i was much more happier before i landed in this thread.forgive me if i hurt you...

If you follow good things and if bad things follows you...think you have not done anything good(my situation)....try to do more good things....you cant take a penny from here this earth when you all die....if you are planning to leave it for others...they will forget u the next day...what you take with you is GOOD and BAD deed with your soul....Nothing else...nothing else....

you might be very satisfied as a business man...But think....HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A HUMAN BEING FOR A DAY....? if you think im being human even now....you are just thinking you are human you havent realised....trust me most of the people here wont even understand what im saying....thats their level of understading....you cant see everything with the naked eye....

Why is crying given to you out of all those billions of living things....use it use it....use it....do not waste it....please please....is it to kill other animals and feed your loved ones at home....???? just coz it was taught to you that way....then why do we have brains...??????

Now everyone will know that i was not here for money/fame/timepass.i dont know what people really do with this stupid fame they get online....i cant sell for 1 billion can i ???? its of no use....i was given GOD status in the thread.its of no use to me and to anybody....?????? whoever is here for fame....plz do something good in your life....i thank every brother out there for chasing me out and "REMEMBER CHANGE IS THE ONLY THING WHICH NEVER CHANGES" now it has changed....I love you all and im going with the thinking that i have TAUGHT YOU (1st time im using the word TEACH) something in life....

Whatever you reason you have the below mentioned things...its bad...If my wife gets killed by someone i cant kill him......coz killing is bad...for whatever reason you do....

1)Jealous
2)Hatred
3)Fear
4)if u dont care for others
5)cunning
6)doubting unnecessarily
7)anger
8)vengence
9)pride
10)i know everything attitude.

Whoever wants to learn Forex...
This thread is a GEM....You will not find it anywhere...on the planet....just with my posts...you can quit ur job...only thing which cannot be taught to u is discipline unless u practice it wont come....This will be your main obstacle..If you are disciplined you are going to make more money...and there will be a day when you will be happy with just very little money...remember money doesnt bring happiness....it all comes from within...

im not a great trader as you might think...but overall im profitable...what i have taught here...works...i dont need to prove rather no one needs to prove to anyone...coz they keep forming everyday...and i told you to take it....all you have to do is sit and take it....i might not be taking it...i might not be disciplined...i might lack patience/disciplined....but this will work for anyone who is disciplined....if you are not it doesnt matter...keep trying...it will come...it has to come and thats why you are trying....looped it is...

QUIT NON VEG ::::::::::::

We eat this coz we have been eating for last 40 million years(40crores)....this body this mind this intelligence all has been given to us by HIM....you have started from sensless to the 6th sense and you will complte the intelligence of GOD HEAD when you reach 10sense....this is why the word super human came in now and this why you see an abrupt change in the globe in the last 200 yrs...There is a person responsible for this...let him....reveal himself inside you...wotn name him....

GOD never created religion its you....its only you....do not blindly follow any holy book coz its all written by human being...GOD is not a physical person like you and me and he is also a physical person...confusing figure it out thats why you have come this far 40 million years.....your destiny is to figure it out...you are already in the process....these small problmes you are facing is to make you better human being...to push you up in the ladder of evolution.

Do not eat non veg and be an animal still.....i know aht you are saying... i can hear you...even plants are living things?....read on...

What is the ideal food for HUmans?

a) Most herbivores suck the water and drink ( cow/goat/deer).Humans do the same.
b) Most herbivores are programmed to sleep at night(cow/goat/deer/humans).most carnivores are programmed to stay awake at night(fox/lion/cheetah)
c) Most living things which are awake at night feed on other animals blood(all carnivores/insects etc)
d) Most people ask...even plants are living things..eating that is a sin....yes it is if you uproot the plant in whole and eat.what you are enjoying is the fruit and leaves.plant have just one sense.they dont have something called sub-consience mind.the fruits and leaves are like nails and hair on our body..nails and hair grow but when cut them you dont feel the pain...but if you pluck them you feel the pain...so no uprooting of plants.

And Im not a hindu/christian/muslim.just a human being trying to find who i am really.i have nothing against any religion.i treat everyone as sons and daughters of one eternal GOD.the name for water is different in every region of the world..i call it thaneer(tamil),paani(hindi)/neeru(kanadda)neelu(telugu).

This hunger to eat non-veg was given to us by evolution.we have been eating it for over 40 crore years.everytime you take birth.you go the next step.people who cannot live without eating non-veg have taken the closest birth to Animals.in other words this is their first HUMAN BIRTH.
And doing HALAL in no way can protect you from the sins.THINK THINK THINK....it pains for them.understand.just pray to HIM that you would like to quit non-veg.please do not justify.may that almighty god shower blessing on us.

Following is by Brother Goochie...

What is natural food for man ?

First to select our natural food, our observations should be directed to the formation of the organs that aid in digestion and nutrition, the teeth and digestive canal.

Observation of teeth

In frugivorous all the teeth are of nearly the same height; the canines are little projected, conical and blunt. The molars are broad topped and furnished at the top with enamel folds to prevent waste caused by their side motion, but pointed for chewing flesh.

Observation of the digestive canal

The bowels of frugivorous animals are 10 to 12 times the length of their body; their stomach is somewhat broader than that of the carnivorous and has a continuation in the duodenum serving the purpose of a second stomach.

This is exactly the formation we find in human beings , though Anatomy says that the human bowels are 3 to 5 times the length of mans body - making a mistake by measuring the body from the crown to the soles , instead of mouth to anus. Thus we can again draw the inference that man is, in all probability, a frugivorous animal

I conclude....That you guys will not see me ever....hear from me.........Now you know i was not here to make money....I pity your senses...

Stay blessed and whenever i said i meant it...

What goes around will come around...This is the universal truth...if you cheat someone today....you will have to spend the same money on hospitals/robbery/someone cheating u.............

WHATEVER WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN...IT HAPPENED....
WHATEVER IS SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN......ITS HAPPENING....
WHATEVER IS SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN....WILL HAPPEN.....

GOD BLESS YOU ETERNALLY.....
No longer trading forex. Looking for full time job.
  • #1,826
  • Mar 30, 2013 2:03pm Mar 30, 2013 2:03pm
Quoting FX Alex
Could somebody explain why all this proof of someone else's trading is important? I'm not trying to be funny but I really don't get it, I may be missing something here.

Anyway, let's discuss this at another thread,
If it's such a great system, why isn't there a Trade Explorer attached?
No longer trading forex. Looking for full time job.
  • #1,827
  • Mar 30, 2013 2:07pm Mar 30, 2013 2:07pm
Quoting mmaker
It's important because many people on ForexFactory created threads for ego reasons to claim that they can trade. One example is MPC Adam at this thread, http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=394089 . He created 13 threads to talk about his method but when it came to proving, his results was pathetic, http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MPca...italnet/462070. He even go into a competitor's thread to justify his method when the other guy could trade better. If we had not pressed for proof, MPC could still be fooling...
Point taken. It is funny and maybe I have a feel for how trading works but I can usually have a look at the rules for any system and make a pretty good guess as to whether it has any chance of profiting. If things are too complicated it normally has no chance. My stuff is so simple a caveman could do it. That is why it works.

I just want everybody to remember the results from the myfxbook I have shown are not statistically signifigant. I wanted to get to 100 trades at least before making it public. I am not sure I could have stood several weeks of badgering so I just put it out there. You can all follow along now but don't put any weight in the stats until the account is a little older. As time passes by I will get the average winner to a bigger gap over the average loser and the PF should come up into the mid to high twos. I expect the biggest winner trade to go much higher as I settle into my normal rythym with the start time coming back to normal this week.
  • #1,828
  • Edited 2:24pm Mar 30, 2013 2:12pm | Edited 2:24pm
Quoting FX Alex
Could somebody explain why all this proof of someone else's trading is important? I'm not trying to be funny but I really don't get it, I may be missing something here.

Because if you're one who can't trade for yourself (for whatever reason) you would want confirmation, but you knew that. Let's simply place into two categories...

A) Those who want to invest their money with another because they don't have the time, nor the fortitude amongst other reasons to do it themselves. You won't find those on message boards like this for the most part. Nothing wrong this approach at all, but understand the risks.

B) Those who want to trade themselves, but don't know what they are doing and why they are doing it, but justify their knowledge by needing proof. Due to the fact that they are incapable of trading on their own, they look for safety. Most of these types could be given a very profitable way of trading, but because they lack the ability to see what trading truly entails they will still lose. I could list reason after reason why this is, but let me just tell you at what point I was one of these. It's embarrassing to even say that, but that's who I was for a short time in the beginning. Many just want something for nothing, but you knew that as well.

Simple answer to a question that could warrant an essay. I could write on and on about this and many other things recently posted, but the thread seems to have evolved to place I shall not tread as I am not the owner. Plus, I just got back from vacation and my body is tired...

Truth: If I came right out and said it to people's face they would get extremely defensive. They would then defend their current beliefs with answers (excuses) that in reality back up the very reason why they do the things they do. EDIT (should have been here):
It is NOT important. Your statement is the ONLY one when you're trading.

Good luck to you all who are working hard in this thread and those who have made some paradigm shifts in their thinking about trading and the market because they took the information provided and built upon it with their own findings.
  • #1,829
  • Mar 30, 2013 2:20pm Mar 30, 2013 2:20pm
Quoting TantumVerum
Because if you're one who can't trade for yourself (for whatever reason) you would want confirmation, but you knew that. Let's simply place into two categories...

A) Those who want to invest their money with another because they don't have the time, nor the fortitude amongst other reasons to do it themselves. You won't find those on message boards like this for the most part. Nothing wrong this approach at all, but understand the risks.

B) Those who want to trade themselves, but [b]don't know what they are doing and why they are...
Thoughtful and true.

I have to tell you I am very impressed with the work and honest effort some of the people following this thread have put in and their drastic improvements in trading. I have had nice conversations with many of you through PM and I was humbled and encouraged by some of your stories. A few of you have gotten back to me and did a very thorough job of testing the concepts and to a person all the people who went to that trouble have been blown away by the power of one or two or three price points on a chart.

I have said it many times on this thread. Trading is simple. It is extremely mentally tough and that makes it hard to execute but the concepts and rules that make up a winning trading method are as simple as dirt.
  • #1,830
  • Mar 30, 2013 3:47pm Mar 30, 2013 3:47pm
Quoting Seneca pilot
I don't get it either. Doesn't take long to test a method. Only reason I did the myfxbook is that I am considering becoming an auto trade provider.
I personally got a lot more out of your ramblings than just a method, I hope people get the whole concept, the whole story. With the risk of sounding overly sycophantic, it's very well written and people often instinctively know when the bell of truth is ringing or not. I can hear it.

Oh right, I missed the auto trade thing, fair enough, but either way I don't see any flogging of snake oil here, I don't see the need for a jury.
  • #1,831
  • Mar 30, 2013 3:55pm Mar 30, 2013 3:55pm
Quoting mmaker
It's important because many people on ForexFactory created threads for ego reasons to claim that they can trade....
Well ok, I mean that guy needs help, (loveevery1 for christ's sake) but isn't that obvious? maybe not. Egos are being pumped everyday in this place as far as I can see, and many other similar fora.

From the start you could tell that SP was being honest and he often falls over himself to remind us of his own failings and attitude towards loss.
  • #1,832
  • Mar 30, 2013 3:57pm Mar 30, 2013 3:57pm
Quoting TantumVerum
Because if you're one who can't trade for yourself (for whatever reason) you would want confirmation, but you knew that. Let's simply place into two categories...
Excellent reply TV, I share you're thoughts, thank you.
  • #1,833
  • Edited 5:09pm Mar 30, 2013 4:41pm | Edited 5:09pm
Note - This post is based on the discussion I had in another FF thread.
This response is to the newbies and those who are looking for a new trading system because they are currently not profitable.
This response is NOT to those that had created and are currently trading their own system(s) such as Seneca Pilot.

Why is proof important? Because just as the world is full of lazy and greedy people looking for a get-rich-quick trading solution, the World Wide Web is full of fraudsters, scam artists, and well-intent pretenders who couldn't trade!!!

I've been doing this for a while, and recently became a full-time trader. I've seen enough of the industry to know how shady it is, and how easy it is to take advantage of the lazy, greedy and desperate people because the vast, vast, vast majority of them are incompetent losers.

Take this forum for example, you will see a lot of "magnanimous" members offering FREE systems and FREE advices. They will spend months, years, thousands of hours, and thousand of posts on advices and on trade examples (almost all of them are winning trades, and almost all of them are after the facts), yet these "magnanimous" members won't spend 5 minutes to provide any shreds of evidence that they or their FREE systems are profitable.

Yet, when there are skeptics or when there are non-profitable followers, the blames are never placed on the flawed systems or the "magnanimous" system providers. In trading, it's easy to blame the failed followers, doubters, skeptics and non-believers for their lack of effort (which is true in many cases). But if you solely rely on this as your answer to the problem, then you forgot to take into account the system originators' motivations and agendas. Even if trading systems are provided for FREE, not all system providers are genuine and/or magnanimous. What if the provider wants an ego boost or a fan club? What if the well-intent preacher couldn't practice what he preaches? What if the guru is a fraud? What if the emperor has no clothes?

Personally, I don't have an unlimited amount of time, money and energy. So before I partake on a long journey of reading, studying, back testing, forward testing, demoing, etc...I would like to have proof that somewhere, somebody is successfully trading this particular method. Of course, just because somebody is successful, it doesn't mean that I too will be. I, as well as most members of this forum, understand that...so there's no need to beat this point to death. I already know that many personal elements are required from me to replicate someone else's trading success. But before I work on myself, at least I have the peace of mind in knowing that the success that I'm chasing after is real, and not some fantasy created anonymously on the World Wide Web.

So just remember...It's a two-way street. On the one hand, there are a lot greedy and lazy bastards looking for quick fixes. On the other hand, there are also a lot self-anointed gurus looking for attentions, pretenders with big "e-penises" who couldn't trade, and the worst of them all, the fraudsters scamming the gullible bastards.

For me, I will not put in any time, money or effort (other than passing interest) on any persons or systems if there's no proof, even if the systems are FREE.

Thus, KUDOS to Seneca Pilot for his teaching and the proof to backup his claims!!!
  • #1,834
  • Mar 30, 2013 4:49pm Mar 30, 2013 4:49pm
Quoting mmaker
It's important because many people on ForexFactory created threads for ego reasons to claim that they can trade. One example is MPC Adam at this thread, http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=394089 . He created 13 threads to talk about his method but when it came to proving, his results was pathetic, http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MPca...italnet/462070. He even go into a competitor's thread to justify his method when the other guy could trade better. If we had not pressed for proof, MPC could still be fooling...
What a disaster that thread was/is!!!
If I remembered correctly, you and I had a hand in exposing that "love" thread (and butting head doing it).

FWIW, I think Loveevery1 and Pip26 are the same person or they were working together in cohorts. They both disappeared pretty quickly.
Probably still active in FF under different usernames...
  • #1,835
  • Mar 30, 2013 5:12pm Mar 30, 2013 5:12pm
Quoting kokopelli
Personally, I don't have an unlimited amount of time, money and energy. So before I partake on a long journey of reading, studying, back testing, forward testing, demoing, etc...I would like to have proof that somewhere, somebody is successfully trading this particular method. Of course, just because somebody is successful, it doesn't mean that I too will be. I, as well as most members of this forum, understand that...so there's no need to beat this point to death. I already know that many personal elements are required...
I understand what your saying, but personally I think the difficulty in being able to match someones successful trading is being understated. The reality you're chasing isn't his but yours.

What I mean is that the "proof" doesn't seem to actually advance us very much further in the real journey, it seems to me to be a side road and a departure from the essential.

Maybe some gain confidence from it.
  • #1,836
  • Mar 30, 2013 5:26pm Mar 30, 2013 5:26pm
Quoting kokopelli
Note - This post is based on the discussion I had in another FF thread. This response is to the newbies and those who are looking for a new trading system because they are currently not profitable. This response is NOT to those that had created and are currently trading their own system(s) such as Seneca Pilot. Why is proof important? Because just as the world is full of lazy and greedy people looking for a get-rich-quick trading solution, the World Wide Web is full of fraudsters, scam artists, and well-intent pretenders who couldn't trade!!! I've...
Proof, if you use it as yardstick to determine if you want to proceed with testing a method further is fine and good. If, however any one would simply blindly begin to trade a method based on a trade explorer (especially one a week old) then they get what they deserve. I hope that anyone looking at my account at the other site will take it as what it is: proof that I can trade my method. If anyone wants to make an attempt at trading the method that I use they should read the entire thread, then spend some time testing the concepts for themselves, and then trade it in a SMALL account to verify that it is something that they can execute. What I do can sometimes be very difficult as it is often similar to stepping in front of a fast moving train. Often the best entries are when price is steaming to the level at breakneck speed. The faster price moves into a good level the more bad traders you can entice to trade in the direction of the bar. I posted the papers and books to back me up, big traders need lots of people to trade in the wrong direction to get their orders executed with minimal slippage. A hard move to a high or low that looks for all the world like a breakout will do the trick every time.
  • #1,837
  • Edited 9:42pm Mar 30, 2013 9:04pm | Edited 9:42pm
Quoting FX Alex
Could somebody explain why all this proof of someone else's trading is important? I'm not trying to be funny but I really don't get it, I may be missing something here.
For me, I would like to know the exactness of entry and exit in execution, and the exact statistic of winrate, RRR, setup freq, that may be achieved, as well as other details like working hours required. As I said, a lot of people post only winners and hide all their losers, it is difficult to know the effectiveness of their method.
Quoting FX Alex
What I mean is that the "proof" doesn't seem to actually advance us very much further in the real journey, it seems to me to be a side road and a departure from the essential. Maybe some gain confidence from it.
Well, I guess most people on earth don't have the confidence to believe that it is possible to make a living with private trading.
  • #1,838
  • Mar 30, 2013 10:34pm Mar 30, 2013 10:34pm
Quoting Seneca pilot
Proof, if you use it as yardstick to determine if you want to proceed with testing a method further is fine and good.
That's all we are asking for. It's a filter, not a determining factor. I'm glad to include you in my list of favorite traders to follow.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/TPOT...urnalfx/410565
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/pips...service/344437
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nick...account/470386
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MH60L/mh60l/522675
No longer trading forex. Looking for full time job.
  • #1,839
  • Mar 30, 2013 10:40pm Mar 30, 2013 10:40pm
Quoting Seneca pilot
Proof, if you use it as yardstick to determine if you want to proceed with testing a method further is fine and good. If, however any one would simply blindly begin to trade a method based on a trade explorer (especially one a week old) then they get what they deserve. I hope that anyone looking at my account at the other site will take it as what it is: proof that I can trade my method. If anyone wants to make an attempt at trading the method that I use they should read the entire thread, then spend some time testing...
Amen to that!!!

(a) If I'm a frustrating and clueless loosing trader looking for a method to turn my trading around...This is ALL that I can expect...PROOF that the method provider can trade his method as claimed...Nothing more, nothing less!!!

(b) Whether I can profitably trade this method is entirely up to me, and NOT the method provider.

(a) and (b) are 2 different/independent/separate issues and that they should not be lumped together.

Unfortunately, we don't even have (a) in this forum.
So a dedicated follower can put forth a HERCULEAN EFFORT and still lose because the method doesn't have an edge, or the method provider is a fraud, or at best, a well-intent pretender who couldn't trade his way out of a paper bag.
  • #1,840
  • Edited Mar 31, 2013 12:46am Mar 30, 2013 11:15pm | Edited Mar 31, 2013 12:46am
Quoting FX Alex
I understand what your saying, but personally I think the difficulty in being able to match someones successful trading is being understated. The reality you're chasing isn't his but yours. What I mean is that the "proof" doesn't seem to actually advance us very much further in the real journey, it seems to me to be a side road and a departure from the essential. Maybe some gain confidence from it.
Statements like this makes me sad and angry. Are you for real???

1) Have you ever thought that the anonymous guru on the internet that you're about to spend some of your time/money/effort to follow is a fraud?
2) Have you ever thought that things on the internet might not be what they're claimed to be?
3) Have you ever thought that a FREE system that is presented as profitable (with many worshipers/followers) doesn't actually have an edge?

Answers (PROOF) to (1), (2), (3) will prevent you from wasting your precious time/money/effort to get on any "real journey" in the first place that will never be fruitful or profitable. Thus, you can then spend the same precious (and limited) time/money/effort on some other "real journey" that could be fruitful and profitable because the method and its guru are proven legit.

Apologies to Seneca Pilot and this thread followers for veering off course, but statement like the one above just pisses me off. No wonder most traders lose. How could they not...when the blind is leading the blind...and no one is demanding legitimacy...just a bunch of mindless wildebeests crossing a river full of crocodiles...They deserve what they get!!!

Again, apologies as this is my last post on this subject matter. I'll just go back to the ninja mode of reading and not posting.

Good luck to everyone!!!
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