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  • #11,401
  • Mar 28, 2013 5:28am Mar 28, 2013 5:28am
Quoting wiz3003
Hi all,

finally I could find time to come back here. It is incredible ... just one week away from trading and I had to read more than 30 pages !!

In the last pages I read often some people in trouble to identify the end of a trend and the beginning of a range; RJ and Marty gave you some advises very good ... let me add my 2 cents.

The enclosed chart is H4 but the internal pattern/behavior of the market behind this is the same in any TFs. I choosed a weak trend to highlight better how I look at the chart to measure the strenght of a trend...
Wiz, thank you very much. Each of your posts is like another chapter of a great book on trading
mind over matter
  • #11,402
  • Mar 28, 2013 5:29am Mar 28, 2013 5:29am
Coffee time
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Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #11,403
  • Mar 28, 2013 6:24am Mar 28, 2013 6:24am
Quoting realjumper
Coffee time
Got a cup in my hand !!
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
  • #11,404
  • Mar 28, 2013 6:31am Mar 28, 2013 6:31am
Quoting Martyfish
Got a cup in my hand !!
I'm going to get another one....after all, it's good for you...lol...it's almost like medicine....
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #11,405
  • Mar 28, 2013 6:57am Mar 28, 2013 6:57am
Quoting realjumper
I'm going to get another one....after all, it's good for you...lol...it's almost like medicine....
...and thereīs NO LIFE before Coffee!!! Thatīs a fact!
There`s no life before COFFEE!
  • #11,406
  • Mar 28, 2013 6:59am Mar 28, 2013 6:59am
Quoting realjumper
I'm going to get another one....after all, it's good for you...lol...it's almost like medicine....
I'm bouncing off the walls as it is !

Another cup would send me into orbit
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
  • #11,407
  • Mar 28, 2013 7:21am Mar 28, 2013 7:21am
Quoting jalkok
...and thereīs NO LIFE before Coffee!!! Thatīs a fact!
Yes.....that IS a fact
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #11,408
  • Mar 28, 2013 7:21am Mar 28, 2013 7:21am
Quoting Martyfish
I'm bouncing off the walls as it is !

Another cup would send me into orbit
Have another cup and enjoy the view!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #11,409
  • Mar 28, 2013 7:34am Mar 28, 2013 7:34am
Took a 25 pip ride on EA supported by CSM. Now waiting for another long signal on EU or EJ.

And it's coffee time here too!
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mind over matter
  • #11,410
  • Mar 28, 2013 8:36am Mar 28, 2013 8:36am
In order to improve, I am thinking of making a review of the Genesis entries during the european session at the end of each one.
Here is what I am aiming at.

Anyone interested in seeing more ?

nb : of course I don't want it to be against the will of the Genesis' team
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  • #11,411
  • Mar 28, 2013 12:51pm Mar 28, 2013 12:51pm
Well its G&T time here !!

Hope everyone has a great easter
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
  • #11,412
  • Mar 28, 2013 1:10pm Mar 28, 2013 1:10pm
Quoting Martyfish
Well its G&T time here !!

Hope everyone has a great easter
Happy Easter Marty and everyone!
mind over matter
  • #11,413
  • Mar 28, 2013 4:22pm Mar 28, 2013 4:22pm
Today's european session review.
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  • #11,414
  • Mar 28, 2013 5:26pm Mar 28, 2013 5:26pm
This thread is the best! Thank you for everyone's analysis, just so helpful.

I realised that one of my weakness is to not let my winners run enough. So the question is do you (we) wait for an exit when the stoch's cross on the H1 or are there times when you (we) should exit on the cross of the M15?

Last night on EJ when the PA bounced off S1 if I used the M15 stochs to exit I could have taken home a bunch more pips, but I was riding it out waiting for the H1.

Is there a time to use one in particular, or do we always (generally speaking) exit from the H1 stochs crossing??


Thank you!!
  • #11,415
  • Mar 28, 2013 7:14pm Mar 28, 2013 7:14pm
  •  Jamz
  • | Joined May 2012 | Status: Tops and bottoms are for bikinis | 798 Posts
Quoting Simon H
This thread is the best! Thank you for everyone's analysis, just so helpful.

I realised that one of my weakness is to not let my winners run enough. So the question is do you (we) wait for an exit when the stoch's cross on the H1 or are there times when you (we) should exit on the cross of the M15?

Last night on EJ when the PA bounced off S1 if I used the M15 stochs to exit I could have taken home a bunch more pips, but I was riding it out waiting for the H1.

Is there a time to use one in particular, or do we always (generally speaking) exit...
Hi Simon, must be the Kiwi influence!! I think when price hits a pivot it is always a good time to trade out, it may break through but we don't know. M15 stoch can go up again and down again in a short time. Price nearly always hesitates round pivots, I played it to keep going as I had become so wise I thought I knew what was going to happen but no , it was a reversal. Just set you TP near those pivots and green pips should be yours.
All thread compliments gladly accepted by all lurkers, posters, thread geniuses etc, etc.......
  • #11,416
  • Edited 8:13pm Mar 28, 2013 7:27pm | Edited 8:13pm
Hi all,

Happy Holidays to all.
I have a query regarding the m15 stoch as per attached.

Sometimes I'm trapped in deciding whether to enter the trade just as the attached pic illustration.
Example only: The question is solely targeting on reading m15 stoch whether to make decision process based on repainting part or confirmed part upon entry.

Should we be considering the current changing direction (repainting part since the 3 m5 bars has not closed yet on m15 chart (the right hand side circle)) on the m15 stoch as decision making process if it did happen or do we just based on the confirmed non-repainted direction to make the decision (the left hand side circle)?

If the decision process is on the latter side, then perhaps we should blank off the current repainting portion of the m15 stoch?

Edit: Removed the word "assume uptrend" and replace "Case study" as "Example"
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  • #11,417
  • Mar 28, 2013 7:48pm Mar 28, 2013 7:48pm
  •  Jamz
  • | Joined May 2012 | Status: Tops and bottoms are for bikinis | 798 Posts
Quoting kwissy
Hi all, I have a query on the m15 stoch as per attached.

Sometimes I'm trapped in deciding whether to enter the trade just as the attached pic illustration.
Case study only: Assuming the trend may be going up, and the question is solely targeting on reading m15 stoch whether to make decision process based on repainting part or confirmed part upon entry.

Should we be considering the current changing direction (repainting part since the 3 m5 bars has not closed yet on m15 chart (the right hand side circle)) on the m15 stoch as decision making process...
Hi Kwissy, since I'm here I'll have a try....
You can't assume the trend is up. Just look left.....
Both your stochs are headed down. That M15 changing is giving you a clue to future price action but not a signal.
You are looking at pre-tokyo open which is way outside of trading hours too so PA may be very different now.
Don't just focus on a single part of an indicator but try more to read what they are all saying together....comes with time.....
Cheers Kwissy,
James.
  • #11,418
  • Mar 28, 2013 7:58pm Mar 28, 2013 7:58pm
Quoting Jamz
Hi Kwissy, since I'm here I'll have a try....
You can't assume the trend is up. Just look left.....
Both your stochs are headed down. That M15 changing is giving you a clue to future price action but not a signal.
You are looking at pre-tokyo open which is way outside of trading hours too so PA may be very different now.
Don't just focus on a single part of an indicator but try more to read what they are all saying together....comes with time.....
Cheers Kwissy,
James.
Hi Jamz, thanks for your response.
Ok, maybe "assume" is the wrong word to use, and yes this is out of trading time zone, i'm just watching only, lol.
I'm just using this chart as an example, we cannot assume anything. And perhaps I should rephrase my query on whether we should take the repainting part of m15 stoch into trading decision making process or stick with the part that is already confirmed? Cos sometimes the repainting part of m15 stoch may trigger the new trend and matrix signal without having m15 stoch to confirm yet. Looking at history is very easy but looking at live is tricky.
  • #11,419
  • Mar 28, 2013 8:52pm Mar 28, 2013 8:52pm
Quoting kosmo
Took a 25 pip ride on EA supported by CSM. Now waiting for another long signal on EU or EJ.

And it's coffee time here too!
Kosmo, what is the CSM heat map, and where do you get it ...thanks
  • #11,420
  • Mar 29, 2013 12:20am Mar 29, 2013 12:20am
Quoting kwissy
Hi Jamz, thanks for your response.
Ok, maybe "assume" is the wrong word to use, and yes this is out of trading time zone, i'm just watching only, lol.
I'm just using this chart as an example, we cannot assume anything. And perhaps I should rephrase my query on whether we should take the repainting part of m15 stoch into trading decision making process or stick with the part that is already confirmed? Cos sometimes the repainting part of m15 stoch may trigger the new trend and matrix signal without having m15 stoch to confirm yet. Looking at history...
I know what you are saying but firstly the M15 stoch in your picture hasnt crossed yet its just bending upwards and secondly you need to change from the mtf stoch you are using, to Xaphods because as he pointed out the one your using doesnt show the cross properly when looking back historically, Xaphods is far better for showing what the stoch is actually doing at the time as well.
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