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  • #8,141
  • Mar 1, 2013 4:50am Mar 1, 2013 4:50am
Quoting venzen
Yes, I'm looking at waves 3 to 5 on your chart and they are so zig-zaggy... I detest that: you want to get in but it looks so much like ongoing correction that you hold back and wait for a clear sign. Time passes and eventually you realize a bigger correction is unfolding - it's all over and you we're waiting like a scaredy-cat... Other times it seems so clear - wavecount, indicators, news - everything lines up, you get in and get closed out by a move that confirms your alternate count !

Exactly!

Look at the C wave of the abc correction, i simply couldn't call the top, or anything close! and then worse, (not shown on my chart, but check out the following minor 'c' wave of what i've labeled wave 'ii', it looked so small i thought it was merely 'a'! I was calling the down move a (further) irregular 'b' for ages! I was so sure we would retest the breakout of the weekly wedge! So yes, i had a position, but it was so small, cos i was sure we would soon head back up for a 'c' wave... it never came!
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  • #8,142
  • Mar 1, 2013 4:59am Mar 1, 2013 4:59am
Here's a later chart, but i am now dismissing the latter count somewhat;

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/...4h21-02-13.png

It did indeed retest my channel line and drop, but i'm now wondering if it will simply continue dropping and wave 3 becomes a larger multiple of wave 1 (3/4/500%),

again the problem i have is the possibility of this (posted earlier this week);

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/...uw25-02-13.png

Is it just the first set of a larger cycle?!

The clue might be the irregular correction. This of course means the following wave should be extended (and in the case of a 3rd, that means longer than 161.8%).
If that is the case, surely we can forget any retest of the weekly wedge?!

It's the classic case of calling it correctly, but PA on smaller scales making it impossible to just sell a big position and ride it, (unless your name is Soros!)
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  • #8,143
  • Mar 1, 2013 5:01am Mar 1, 2013 5:01am
Hi venzen.
The (ewp) book you mention,sounds the buisness for counting,what is title author.
Regards.
Cross.
  • #8,144
  • Mar 1, 2013 5:11am Mar 1, 2013 5:11am
Quoting crosswind
Hi venzen.
The (ewp) book you mention,sounds the buisness for counting,what is title author.
Regards.
Cross.
Cross, its a must-have for every Elliottician:

"Elliott Wave Principle" by Frost & Prechter

You can buy it from elliottwave.com. I've had my copy for 2 years now and I look at it more and more everyday.
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  • #8,145
  • Mar 1, 2013 5:25am Mar 1, 2013 5:25am
Quoting The Cableguy
Here's a later chart, but i am now dismissing the latter count somewhat;



The clue might be...
Cheers cg
I really value your charts, though not trading GU
Thank you for the vouch mate!
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  • #8,146
  • Mar 1, 2013 5:26am Mar 1, 2013 5:26am
Hi venzen
i have that book ,they recomend you keep reading yes,seems the counting waves comes with more practise yes and following the experts.(thanx)
regards.
Cross
  • #8,147
  • Mar 1, 2013 5:41am Mar 1, 2013 5:41am
Quoting The Cableguy
Here's a later chart, but i am now dismissing the latter count somewhat;

It did indeed retest my channel line and drop, but i'm now wondering if it will simply continue dropping and wave 3 becomes a larger multiple of wave 1 (3/4/500%),
CG, there is certainly a lot of technical trading happening in this pair. Look how it sticks to trendlines and jumps between channels. But the waves are choppy and their relationships are disfunctional. The corrections are non-descipt and either puny or completely exaggerated! There is just nothing about the 4H PA that conforms to "Common Wave Relationships" as we would expect them in principle. Well done for analyzing and counting that.. that.. mess

Another thing: MACD and RSI seem to indicate your count is spot-on (e.g. where you have minor iii (of 3) at bottom-right, MACD has a max value indicating major momentum). I drew a trendline connecting the ends of i of 1 and iii of 3 and it translates into perfect sub-channels which "herd" the PA decline.

Quoting The Cableguy
again the problem i have is the possibility of this (posted earlier this week);

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/...uw25-02-13.png

Is it just the first set of a larger cycle?!

The clue might be the irregular correction. This of course means the following wave should be extended (and in the case of a 3rd, that means longer than 161.8%).
If that is the case, surely we can forget any retest of the weekly wedge?!

It's the classic case .... (unless your name is Soros!) .
Hahaha! about Soros! Well, to be honest with you - this latter chart scares me. It seems to indicate a massive down surge - but when have the markets EVER given us what we expect? There is definitely a trick in there somewhere. Fundamentally, the implied surge downward means the collapse of the Pound and with it... I don't want to say...
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  • #8,148
  • Mar 1, 2013 5:52am Mar 1, 2013 5:52am
Quoting crosswind
Hi venzen
i have that book ,they recomend you keep reading yes,seems the counting waves comes with more practise yes and following the experts.(thanx)
regards.
Cross
Practice for sure. I also think that there is a lot to be said for the skill and insight of individual counters (like on this forum thread) because the guys who work for massive companies have to toe a line and don't neccesarily call it what it is. But as you say: Practice - it's the only way to sharpen your counting skills. And work hard to understand an experienced counter's logic. Make mistakes and learn. Also, always check Fib relationships inside and between waves as per the EWP book.


BTW: When are you going to post us a little something?
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  • #8,149
  • Mar 1, 2013 6:01am Mar 1, 2013 6:01am
careful today - VIX is spiking up - lots of whipsaw

i wonder if this would be a good time to go exchange that old 5euro note for dollars?
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  • #8,150
  • Mar 1, 2013 6:08am Mar 1, 2013 6:08am
The thing is, it is more about the £'s weakness than indicating anything untoward with regards to markets in general. Look at the correlation between markets since the start of 2013 and Cable!
I personally see Cable at 1.25 area before the end of the year!
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  • #8,151
  • Mar 1, 2013 6:11am Mar 1, 2013 6:11am
Labeling this as a 4th myself saw me lose money shorting this SOB. Whichever way you label it otherwise, this was an abc and it was correct!

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/...5m26-02-13.png
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  • #8,152
  • Mar 1, 2013 6:45am Mar 1, 2013 6:45am
Quoting venzen
Hi Motley,

Tim's count is valid. The chart is 1H timeframe so the subwaves are not visible. If you look at a 5min TF you will see that, for example, wave 1 (down from the red X) has 5 waves internally. We often post summary charts for the sake of being brief
Ok fair enough. I figured as much. If I'm trying to assess the count on a larger time frame, I prefer that the count be confirmed on an hourly, but to each his own.
  • #8,153
  • Edited 7:32am Mar 1, 2013 6:59am | Edited 7:32am
Quoting The Cableguy
Labeling this as a 4th myself saw me lose money shorting this SOB. Whichever way you label it otherwise, this was an abc and it was correct!
I've never liked trading EU and have consistently gotten myself into big "trade-myself-into-a-corner" doo-doo whenever I come near this pair. Except this time - when I dicovered this thread and saw the bearish EU counts posted here I was like OK, fast-and-loose strategy on the way down: guestimate a correction top and place orders with trailing stops and with TPs on the Fib projections/pivots. Reckless I know, but it has been minimally profitable with relatively few losses (and plenty stop-outs on those pesky trailing stops!). The psychological benefit has been great having those small profits every day - but not something I will even dream about with proper "rulebook" trades.

Should EU go below 1.30 and retest and kiss goodbye I'm in short: no matter the specifics of the count - we can't discern one anyway right? I'll build with miniscule small positions each retracement and let them run with trailing stops... Not an admirable technique and not something I would recommend but a strategy for a persistent faller with no clear internals. Again: this is not for significant profit. No - for that I have a big rusty axe to grind with the Dow Jones...
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  • #8,154
  • Mar 1, 2013 7:51am Mar 1, 2013 7:51am
Hi folks
seems like gold is on the move,is that the end of wave 5 , have a awesome weekend.
Cross
  • #8,155
  • Mar 1, 2013 8:23am Mar 1, 2013 8:23am
Quoting crosswind
Hi folks
seems like gold is on the move,is that the end of wave 5 , have a awesome weekend.
Cross
Not sure... some people have gold in wave 3, some in wave 5 - at least one more impulse down (after the current correction) is a safe bet.
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  • #8,156
  • Mar 1, 2013 8:27am Mar 1, 2013 8:27am
Quoting crosswind
Hi folks
seems like gold is on the move,is that the end of wave 5 , have a awesome weekend.
Cross

I'm still looking for a bit more to the downside before any meaningful retracement

olu
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  • #8,157
  • Mar 1, 2013 8:45am Mar 1, 2013 8:45am
HI guys try to buy euro dollar at 1.2940
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  • #8,158
  • Mar 1, 2013 8:55am Mar 1, 2013 8:55am
Thanks Luis!
[I'm only scalping PA at current level]
Quoting Luis Carlos
HI guys try to buy euro dollar at 1.2940
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  • #8,159
  • Mar 1, 2013 9:06am Mar 1, 2013 9:06am
Good Morning all. Looks like we are going down further on the EU. I just closed out of another +85pips. Thank you EUR/USD!!!
  • #8,160
  • Mar 1, 2013 9:07am Mar 1, 2013 9:07am
Quoting MeInGraySuit
Good Morning all. Looks like we are going down further on the EU. I just closed out of another +85pips. Thank you EUR/USD!!!
Wait, or you will be slaughtered!
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