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  • #44,121
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:23am Feb 15, 2013 6:23am
Quoting traderathome
I talk about MMs (market manipulators: market makers, giant hedge funds, Central Banks, etc.) because they are the market. And I am talking about what price is doing, and in relationship to S&R, and in relationship to volume! These are the fundamentals of the Sonic R. System.

-tah
I know they are the market. That should be clear to anyone. The point is you can't know for sure what exactly it is that they are doing in a given time, unless you are on the inside and I don't know about it. Or you have some special indicator that lets you know ahead of time. If you do, please share it with me and I will review it as I watch trades happen live and see if there's anything to it
  • #44,122
  • Edited 6:51am Feb 15, 2013 6:39am | Edited 6:51am
Quoting traderathome
I talk about MMs (market manipulators: market makers, giant hedge funds, Central Banks, etc.) because they are the market. And I am talking about what price is doing, and in relationship to S&R, and in relationship to volume! These are the fundamentals of the Sonic R. System.

Looking at PA apart from where that PA is taking place relative to S&R is a sure way to go broke!

And ignoring if a move is supported by activity (volume) is another way to go broke!

And thinking that MM bulls don't engage in bear price manipulations...

Ok and I agree. I think they are involved in every type of manipulation there is. The point I'm trying to make is you said something like they're building long positions and showed a chart. Why couldn't they have just been bringing price back up for people to take away their longs and then go short instead?

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, really just want to make you think and I'm questioning. I always question everything.

As far as I can see right now on the 15m chart, dragon is starting to point down. PA has been a little choppy the past day. But it does look like we're getting a sonic set up here to go short, does it not?
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  • Edited 6:54am Feb 15, 2013 6:40am | Edited 6:54am
Quoting Ck87
I know they are the market. That should be clear to anyone. The point is you can't know for sure what exactly it is that they are doing in a given time, unless you are on the inside and I don't know about it. Or you have some special indicator that lets you know ahead of time. If you do, please share it with me and I will review it as I watch trades happen live and see if there's anything to it
Ck87,

The only "special" indicator I have is my brain. I don't care why things are happening, and that is because I have already concluded that there is only one true reason for which everything happens regarding PA,......the MMs figure to make money on it (or keep from losing money).

What I want to know is what is happening. This means where is it happening relative to S&R, and which direction of moves is getting the most attention (volume of trades) and when is that direction getting the most attention! If the most attention is given to a move up, but at the top of that move, that is not bullish! If the most attention is given to a move down, but at the bottom of that move, that is not bearish!

Surely, the Sonic R. System is about a proper setup. We already know that not all proper setups run true. So, when a proper setup comes along, are we prepared with some "background research" of PA/SR/volume, enough so that we clearly see that what went before supports or does not support the setup?

Have I now, or ever advised anyone to jump into a trade on the basis of such postings on PA/SR/volume? No! I post setups at times when I see them. And I post my own trades, both good and bad, for all to see.

My postings on MMs and PA/SR/Volume are only to help initiate folks into the real world machinations of the market, lest they believe simply that if price rises the market is bullish and if price falls the market is bearish.

-tah
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  • #44,124
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:56am Feb 15, 2013 6:56am
Quoting traderathome
Ck87,

The only "special" indicator I have is my brain. I don't care why things are happening, and that is because I have already concluded that there is only one true reason for which everything happens regarding PA,......the MMs figure to make money on it (or keep from losing money).

What I want to know is what is happening. This means where is it happening relative to S&R, and which direction of moves is getting the most attention (volume of trades) and when is that direction getting the most attention!...

Much respect, Tah. Appreciate all you do. You're a great trader and I wish you continued success.

"Let the dragon and PA show the way"
  • #44,125
  • Feb 15, 2013 7:02am Feb 15, 2013 7:02am
It pays to be patience..


Sonic

P.S Professor TAH, ur template rocks..
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  • #44,126
  • Feb 15, 2013 7:03am Feb 15, 2013 7:03am
Quoting Ck87
Ok and I agree. I think they are involved in every type of manipulation there is. The point I'm trying to make is you said something like they're building long positions and showed a chart. Why couldn't they have just been bringing price back up for people to take away their longs and then go short instead?

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, really just want to make you think and I'm questioning. I always question everything.

As far as I can see right now on the 15m chart, dragon is starting to point down. PA has been a little choppy the...
Certainly M15 looks like a setup short. Yet, I'd wait 'til US open to see what happens. Moreover, with M1 PVA being what it is (previously posted), and the H4 being what it is (previously posted), and the H1 being what it is (PA might bounce up off Trend Line/previous SR area), I'd have to give the heavier weight to the analysis that the market is bullish.

That could be why M15 looks bearish now!

So, wait 'til after US open and see if price rises for the US MMs for a better short entry, or if the price rises,.........and continues to do so.
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  • #44,127
  • Feb 15, 2013 7:11am Feb 15, 2013 7:11am
Bullishness coming in..

Sonic
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  • #44,128
  • Feb 15, 2013 7:24am Feb 15, 2013 7:24am
Market Comment, Liquidity Creation:

The down moves have been getting the most attention (volume of trades), however, they have been getting the most attention at the bottoms of the moves! This is a sure sign the MMs are seeking lower prices (why price is moving down) to accumulate longs (why volume is greatest at lowest prices).

Can prices continue lower? Yes. It depends on when the MMs are finished with their downwards manipulations.

Does it mean the price is "destined" to rise? More probable than not. We just don't know how much more downside the MMs plan on.

Is such a move down tradeable as a Sonic R. short? Yes, if there was a valid setup.

If such a move down is tradeable, and if a later move up becomes tradeable, then why bother with such analysis in the first place? It falls into the catagory of being "selective" about setups chosen. Not all setups run true. A setup with market "preparations" behind it is more likely to run true.

Lets see how this one turns out, because the US MMs have just gone to work......
-tah
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  • #44,129
  • Feb 15, 2013 8:02am Feb 15, 2013 8:02am
AU and Market Comment on "Liquidity Creation":

Possible "stopping" volume on AU (pic 1).

MMs might have been bullish thru this entire drop (pic 2).

In theory at least, price cannot move unless all pending orders at the current level are filled. And price cannot become another level unless there is both a buyer/seller trade. In other words, if MMs want to move the price, there has to be a filling of all pending orders at all levels between the current level and the level they desire to reach. So, the thing for the MMs to do is to place their position building orders out where they want them filled, and then start satisfying all the in-between imbalance of pending orders. Along the way, SLs are hits which adds liquidity to the market and gets MMs same side orders filled. Along the way, "wrong side" pending orders are hit, triggering them into the market which adds liquidity and gets more MMs opposite orders filled. Eventually price reaches MMs goal where they have more pending orders to get filled, some of which will and some of which will not, because the MMs eventually run out of "wrong side" suckers.

In Pic 2 you can see the effort by MMs to get price lower, and how they capitalized at the lows of each surge initiated. That the PA has been driven down testifies that the MMs want lower prices. That the activity is highest at the lowest prices in each surge testifies that the MMs are accumulating.

This is an example of MMs accumulating (going long) by creating the liquidity they need in order to get their long orders filled.

-tah
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  • #44,130
  • Feb 15, 2013 9:02am Feb 15, 2013 9:02am
Quoting traderathome
AU and Market Comment on "Liquidity Creation":

Possible "stopping" volume on AU (pic 1).

MMs might have been bullish thru this entire drop (pic 2).

In theory at least, price cannot move unless all pending orders at the current level are filled. And price cannot become another level unless there is both a buyer/seller trade. In other words, if MMs want to move the price, there has to be a filling of all pending orders at all levels between the current level and the level they desire to reach. So, the thing for the MMs to do is to...
AU and Market Comment on "Liquidity Creation":

Here is a picture for your trading manual. Hope it helps.

This is getting boring, so I don't think I will stay at this, updating every so often. This could go on for the rest of the day, with nothing dramatic happening until next week. All the better for the MMs, giving them extended time to continue to trade at the lows they worked so hard to achieve.

Time will tell,
-tah
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  • #44,131
  • Feb 15, 2013 9:13am Feb 15, 2013 9:13am
GU Comment:

A long setup off whole number.
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  • #44,132
  • Edited 9:41am Feb 15, 2013 9:30am | Edited 9:41am
Quoting traderathome
AU and Market Comment on "Liquidity Creation":

Here is a picture for your trading manual. Hope it helps.

This is getting boring, so I don't think I will stay at this, updating every so often. This could go on for the rest of the day, with nothing dramatic happening until next week. All the better for the MMs, giving them extended time to continue to trade at the lows they worked so hard to achieve.

Time will tell,
-tah
AU and Market Comment on "Liquidity Creation":

Ok, one last time, just to point out that we never know how long and how far the MMs are going to work the price. In this case, looks like they have the lower whole number area as an accumulation target........so far,......50 pips Torpedo & Buy, Buy, Buy!

This is RDL territory, and so the rest of the day is likely to be a "non-event" because now that the MMs have the price down here to accumulate, why rush it back up? Just keep on keeping on until next week, which works better to coax new shorters in so more longs can be filled.

-tah
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  • Edited 10:00am Feb 15, 2013 9:33am | Edited 10:00am
Quoting traderathome
AU and Market Comment on "Liquidity Creation":

Ok, one last time, just to point out that we never know how long and how far the MMs are going to work the price. In this case, looks like they have the lower whole number area as an accumulation target........so far.

-tah
Sir, since u knew that AU is in bullish accumulation mood, do not short even though it is below dragon..it is still early to long as well as it way below dragons and no bullish wave..

Sonic
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  • #44,134
  • Edited 10:24am Feb 15, 2013 9:45am | Edited 10:24am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Sir, since u knew that AU is in bullish accumulation mood, do not short even though it is below dragon..it is still early to long as well as it way below dragons and no bullish wave..

Sonic
Absolutely. All this is to get a feel for what the larger picture/motivation of the market really is. We trade setups. For me, at this point I'd be more inclined to stalk a long setup next week, rather than a short setup. As you say, right now it is too late to short and too early to long.
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  • Edited 10:14am Feb 15, 2013 10:01am | Edited 10:14am
Do not fall in love with ur positions..

You are never a bull or bear. You will just have a bias view on the set up shown by your chart..


Sonic
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  • #44,136
  • Feb 15, 2013 10:19pm Feb 15, 2013 10:19pm
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  • #44,137
  • Edited 8:31pm Feb 16, 2013 7:41am | Edited 8:31pm
An example of the trade with Bad Money Management..

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  • #44,138
  • Feb 16, 2013 11:57am Feb 16, 2013 11:57am
Quite an interesting area around the half number.

Just some weekend fun - Letīs see

Regards,

H.
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  • #44,139
  • Feb 16, 2013 12:45pm Feb 16, 2013 12:45pm
Quoting hansma
Quite an interesting area around the half number. Just some weekend fun - Letīs see Regards, H.
EJ:

Dropped 300 pips last two days, a new lower range. US MMs quickly rammed price back up 200 pips to get it in upper part of range where there was previous support. Maybe they figure it to fall more, and moved it back higher first, hoping to trigger pending longs up there so they could resume unloading their longs.
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  • #44,140
  • Feb 16, 2013 2:17pm Feb 16, 2013 2:17pm
Quoting traderathome
EJ:

Dropped 300 pips last two days, a new lower range. US MMs quickly rammed price back up 200 pips to get it in upper part of range where there was previous support. Maybe they figure it to fall more, and moved it back higher first, hoping to trigger pending longs up there so they could resume unloading their longs.
I still believe we have a date at the 79.00 retracement level, long term.

As far as Iīm concerned, nothing new under the sun, but a test and a pullback.

Whether there would have have been any sonic r setups in any direction 15 min wise, Ill let you to decide

Regards,

H.
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