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  • #44,101
  • Edited 3:38am Feb 15, 2013 3:08am | Edited 3:38am
Quoting jaau
Sorry TAH,

But was clear like water.

When someone try to show a channel, possible resistance or suport... the message is: take care if you want to make some trade dude!

Simple like that.

If you cant understand or dont want understand what I said....sorry.

But...whatever.

The channel that I said maintains anyway...until now.

Dont worry about... and sincerely I dont care. Its not only you that read this thread.

L.
Ok, jaau! Was that so hard? Now we all clearly understand what message you intended with those few words, "Maybe a decent channel."

This a thread where folks share, "Sharing is caring" as Sonic says. And it is best to not assume everyone is going to grasp a thought that is left unspoken in a cryptic phrase. If you sincerely don't care, as you just stated, to take more time on behalf of others, then at least you have now informed Sonicers of that. On the other hand, if you do care enough to bother to make a post, I presume you actually do care that others understand what you intended by it. So, do you care enough to go for two out of two, and explain the comment "Good trade."? Starting where? In which direction? To where?

-tah
  • #44,102
  • Feb 15, 2013 3:13am Feb 15, 2013 3:13am
Quoting traderathome
Ok, jaau!

See, was that so hard? Now we all clearly understand what message you intended with those few words, "Maybe a decent channel." Now, do you want to go for two out of two and explain the comment "Good trade."?

-tah
For any direction that you want to trade.... I wish a good trade

In a few words.

L.

  • #44,103
  • Feb 15, 2013 3:45am Feb 15, 2013 3:45am
Quoting traderathome
GU: M5 entry, long #2. Prepared to make Scout long entry if Asian/FO/LO MMs take price back down.
GU: The revised SL remains mental, just like the first one, and this looks like another "Torpedo & Buy, Buy, Buy!" maneuver. So far, the MMs have not taken it down low enough to warrant a Scout.
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  • #44,104
  • Edited 5:02am Feb 15, 2013 3:47am | Edited 5:02am
Quoting traderathome
GU: The revised SL remains mental, just like the first one, and this looks like another "Torpedo & Buy, Buy, Buy!" maneuver. So far, the MMs have not taken it down low enough to warrant adding.
Below dragon.. if long added, it will be considered scout.. at least let the one candle becomes green..


Sonic
  • #44,105
  • Feb 15, 2013 3:55am Feb 15, 2013 3:55am
Quoting traderathome
GU: The revised SL remains mental, just like the first one, and this looks like another "Torpedo & Buy, Buy, Buy!" maneuver. So far, the MMs have not taken it down low enough to warrant a Scout.
GU: Added Scout. EP2 is now also the average EP. SL has been mental and remains so, at least thru today due to this sort of volatility. The TP remains tentative because if I have this figured right, the MMs are repeatedly knocking themselves out to get low priced longs and therefore they must be planning a much bigger move, maybe on into next week.
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  • #44,106
  • Feb 15, 2013 4:10am Feb 15, 2013 4:10am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Below dragon.. if long added, it will be considered scout.. at least let the candle green..Sonic
GU:

My playbook says "Two red candles at the bottom equals a green candle."

Edit: Ok, there is the first green one....(2nd pic).
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  • #44,107
  • Feb 15, 2013 4:18am Feb 15, 2013 4:18am
GU Comment:

My current conservative take on the MMs plan,.....not to be accomplished in one day of course. The way the MMs are jacking the price around, this outlook remains in a state of flux.
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  • #44,108
  • Edited 4:43am Feb 15, 2013 4:26am | Edited 4:43am
AU Comment:

MMs dropped price below TL on what can be deemed a high volume grab for low priced longs. This is a bullish sign.

The explanation of this would be that there were pending short orders below the half number. So the MMs manipulated the price down to them, triggered them into the market so the MMs could take the long side of them = low priced additional longs for the MMs + a screwing for the shorts!

Once shorts figure this all out and start closing their positions, all that buying to close will add momentum to the move upwards, creating more profits for the MMs.

WARNING: Speculative! Based on PA/S&R/Volume analysis.
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  • #44,109
  • Feb 15, 2013 4:58am Feb 15, 2013 4:58am
Quoting jaau
For any direction that you want to trade.... I wish a good trade. In a few words. L.
jaau, thank you.

BTW, I am not a mean nor critical person. I don't ask others to do anything that I am not doing. This is all in the spirit of "...sharing is caring...", to help others, which we can only do if they understand us. Economy of words is sometimes counterproductive.

-tah
  • #44,110
  • Feb 15, 2013 5:01am Feb 15, 2013 5:01am
Quoting traderathome
AU Comment:

MMs dropped price below TL on what can be deemed a high volume grab for low priced longs. This is a bullish sign.

The explanation of this would be that there were pending short orders below the half number. So the MMs manipulated the price down to them, triggered them into the market so the MMs could take the long side of them = low priced additional longs for the MMs + a screwing for the shorts!

Once shorts figure this all out and start closing their positions, all that buying to close will add momentum to the move upwards,...
Sounds like stop loss hunting to me. And yeah, those that were coaxed to sell would cover and help the MM's push price back to above the TL, which is very cost effective for the MM. Either way, I'm out for the week. Not really in the mood to trade, and that typically results in losing trades when I make myself trade anyways. Besides the G20 and friday news... I don't want to deal with crazy, unpredictable swings. Have a good weekend, guys.
Currency is a joke. And that's precisely why I trade it.
  • #44,111
  • Feb 15, 2013 5:02am Feb 15, 2013 5:02am
Quoting traderathome
jaau, thank you.

BTW, I am not a mean nor critical person. I don't ask others to do anything that I am not doing. This is all in the spirit of "...sharing is caring...", to help others, which we can only do if they understand us.

-tah


L.
  • #44,112
  • Feb 15, 2013 5:21am Feb 15, 2013 5:21am
Quoting traderathome
AU Comment:

MMs dropped price below TL on what can be deemed a high volume grab for low priced longs. This is a bullish sign.

The explanation of this would be that there were pending short orders below the half number. So the MMs manipulated the price down to them, triggered them into the market so the MMs could take the long side of them = low priced additional longs for the MMs + a screwing for the shorts!

Once shorts figure this all out and start closing their positions, all that buying to close will add momentum to the move upwards, creating more profits for the MMs.

WARNING: Speculative! Based on PA/S&R/Volume analysis.
Quoting MtDarkness
Sounds like stop loss hunting to me. And yeah, those that were coaxed to sell would cover and help the MM's push price back to above the TL, which is very cost effective for the MM. Either way, I'm out for the week. Not really in the mood to trade, and that typically results in losing trades when I make myself trade anyways. Besides the G20 and friday news... I don't want to deal with crazy, unpredictable swings. Have a good weekend, guys.
AU Comment:

I think a term used to describe all that happens is "liquidiy creation move". It covers triggering pending SLs and as well as pending "wrong side" orders. Both actions add liquidity to the market which the MMs use to get their own orders filled.

In the case of AU, we now have a repeat maneuver below that TL....
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  • #44,113
  • Feb 15, 2013 5:31am Feb 15, 2013 5:31am
TAH, you definitely seem to have a decent grasp on what MM/SM are doing a lot of the time, but overall none of that really matters. That should just be stuff that is kept in your mind really. Otherwise you're going to make other people sit there and guess what is MM and SM doing at all times and they'll focus too much on details that they shouldn't even be thinking about. It's all about what price is doing, like you and sonic say, let the dragon and pa lead the way.

And I don't mean this in an offensive way because I know you dedicate more time here than anyone else and are just trying to help others, but I just wanted to speak my mind on that.


And obviously everyone should be thinking about it as well..... but I'm sure you know what I mean, as it can clearly be a distraction and we have incomplete information.

Good Trading!
  • #44,114
  • Feb 15, 2013 5:58am Feb 15, 2013 5:58am
AU and Market Comment:

It is not so much the TL as it is the half number that is important as S&R. In the case of AU, you can see that in both "liquidity creation moves" the MMs have focused on building their long positions at prices below the half number. Half numbers and whole numbers are fundamental, natural SR areas. MMs like to build long below them before pushing the price upwards. They like to build short above them before pushing the price downwards. It is a strategy that adds extra profits.

-tah
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  • #44,115
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:01am Feb 15, 2013 6:01am
Quoting traderathome
AU and Market Comment:

It is not so much the TL as it is the half number that is important as S&R. In the case of AU, you can see that in both "liquidity creation moves" the MMs have focused on building their long positions at prices below the half number. Half numbers and whole numbers are fundamental, natural SR areas. MMs like to build long below them before pushing the price upwards. They like to build short above them before pushing the price downwards. It is a strategy that adds extra profits.

-tah

I feel this is a perfect example. I mean in this case we don't know at all that they're going to push AUD/USD up, if we knew that for sure we'd all be millionaires and maybe even billionaires.

Main problem I have with this is it will lead to bias. We should not have bias. Long term , I think bias is fine, for you have fundamentals and solid reasons. Short term, 15m chart, it's not good IMO.
  • #44,116
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:09am Feb 15, 2013 6:09am
Hi to everyboy,
i don't have much experience in forex but, realy like this method.
In my humble opinion, this indicator could be used (at least it is working forme) for better timing to enter or exit.
Could someone, if possible to add an alert when CCI reaches or Crosses BB, sound, mail or whatever is easier.
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  • #44,117
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:10am Feb 15, 2013 6:10am
Quoting Ck87
I feel this is a perfect example. I mean in this case we don't know at all that they're going to push AUD/USD up, if we knew that for sure we'd all be millionaires and maybe even billionaires.
Liquidity Creation Moves:

A perfect example of what?

For sure, at any time the MMs can start a price move in the opposite direction, and if continued it can change everything. That is the nature of the market,....no guarantees, just deceptions.

Will it go up or down, and when? There is no sense in assuming an unyielding bias on any of this. Things can change at any time and it matters not why.

In the case of AU, a study of PA, S&R and volume "suggest" the MMs are preparing for a move higher. Today? Next week? Never? We have to wait and see. Whenever we enter a trade, at that moment we have convinced ourselves sufficiently that the price is going to move one way or the other, enough to put our money on the line. Even then, though, we need to remain flexible.

-tah
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  • #44,118
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:14am Feb 15, 2013 6:14am
Quoting traderathome
A perfect example of what?


In the case of AU, a study of PA, S&R and volume "suggest" the MMs are preparing for a move higher. Today? Next week? Never? We have to wait and see. Whenever we enter a trade, at that moment we have convinced ourselves sufficiently that the price is going to move one way or the other, enough to put our money on the line. Even then, though, we need to remain flexible.

-tah

I don't think PA, S&R are suggesting MM's are preparing to move higher at all. That's just your opinion and it could very well be part of your own bias. Someone else can say the opposite, maybe they'd be right, maybe you'd be right. That's just guessing really.

Perfect example of what I said in my last post before you posted that. I think you're talking too much about MM. It should just be about what price is doing and that's it. It shouldn't involve which players are doing what, because you don't know that at all.
  • #44,119
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:17am Feb 15, 2013 6:17am
Au.


Seemed to follow the previous moves. chart 1

However if this breaks. Then chart 2 comes in play for me.


Regards,

H.
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  • #44,120
  • Feb 15, 2013 6:20am Feb 15, 2013 6:20am
Quoting Ck87
I don't think PA, S&R are suggesting MM's are preparing to move higher at all. That's just your opinion and it could very well be part of your own bias. Someone else can say the opposite, maybe they'd be right, maybe you'd be right. That's just guessing really.

Perfect example of what I said in my last post before you posted that. I think you're talking too much about MM. It should just be about what price is doing and that's it. It shouldn't involve which players are doing what, because you don't know that at all.
I talk about MMs (market manipulators: market makers, giant hedge funds, Central Banks, etc.) because they are the market. And I am talking about what price is doing, and in relationship to S&R, and in relationship to volume! These are the fundamentals of the Sonic R. System.

Looking at PA apart from where that PA is taking place relative to S&R is a sure way to go broke!

And ignoring if a move is supported by activity (volume) is another way to go broke!

And thinking that MM bulls don't engage in bear price manipulations is another way to go broke!

And thinking that MM bears don't engage in bull price manipulations is another way to go broke!


-tah
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