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  • #43,761
  • Feb 6, 2013 12:24am Feb 6, 2013 12:24am
Quoting mcglunt12
Just wondering for any more experienced then I with Sonic R trading if this looks to be a good set up?
One thing i don't fully understand with the Sonic VSA is what do the colors mean volume wise? Which is showing the more increase in volume, red, green or blue?
EU:

Setup - before LS, poor angle on Dragon. Would anticipate all this is just going to turn out to be Leg1 of bigger wave.
Vsa - Read the user notes in the compile of the indicator, explains colors. Also search for recent VSA in this thread for other comments.
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  • #43,762
  • Feb 6, 2013 12:50am Feb 6, 2013 12:50am
Quoting traderathome
EU:

Setup - before LS, poor angle on Dragon. Would anticipate all this is just going to turn out to be Leg1 of bigger wave.
Vsa - Read the user notes in the compile of the indicator, explains colors. Also search for recent VSA in this thread for other comments.
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1360131828

Tah. When the PA going to the next wave, woulnd't ithe dragon gonna point up? if the dragon pointing up then buy signal? can u tell me about this?

To be frankly i also looking for a short on EU. i just wanna learn the sonic r properly. thx
Money Management and Patience is the Key
  • #43,763
  • Feb 6, 2013 1:01am Feb 6, 2013 1:01am
Quoting scuderia
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1360131828

Tah. When the PA going to the next wave, woulnd't ithe dragon gonna point up? if the dragon pointing up then buy signal? can u tell me about this?

To be frankly i also looking for a short on EU. i just wanna learn the sonic r properly. thx
Dragon lags PA. So, PA could swing up in LS, turn back down and run down while the dragon reduces the down angle, maybe goes flat, but moves back down on the dropping PA breakout.
  • #43,764
  • Feb 6, 2013 1:53am Feb 6, 2013 1:53am
Lovely L-H and L-H..in EU..
Just trade what u see..

Sonic
  • #43,765
  • Feb 6, 2013 1:56am Feb 6, 2013 1:56am
Quoting scuderia
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1360131828

Tah. When the PA going to the next wave, woulnd't ithe dragon gonna point up? if the dragon pointing up then buy signal? can u tell me about this?

To be frankly i also looking for a short on EU. i just wanna learn the sonic r properly. thx
London open is coming. So is the short signal on the 15 minute chart. Just be patient and wait and watch. It will give you a chance to enter. It almost always does. Price just dropped hard but will make its way back up to the dragon, which will be pointing down when it gets there, as per the rules of Sonic. I have had the hardest time with waiting for the signal, so I know it to be true. A valid entry will arrive, and it will be a good setup, and if it doesn't, or if you miss it- understand something that is VERY IMPORTANT- it is always better to miss a valid signal than to enter a losing trade and lose money again and again on signals that never got validated.
Currency is a joke. And that's precisely why I trade it.
  • #43,766
  • Feb 6, 2013 3:18am Feb 6, 2013 3:18am
EJ: Still wait and see. Look like will going to RDH

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  • #43,767
  • Feb 6, 2013 3:34am Feb 6, 2013 3:34am
I'm waiting for this ...

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  • #43,768
  • Feb 6, 2013 3:43am Feb 6, 2013 3:43am
Quoting fiovit
I'm waiting for this ...

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Agree!
There is no spoon....
  • #43,769
  • Feb 6, 2013 3:44am Feb 6, 2013 3:44am
Quoting fiovit
I'm waiting for this ...

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I think after broke weekly TL yesterday (need wait weekend to confirm), GU will have long way to the South and all Mayor pair will follow. Maybe next week.

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  • #43,770
  • Feb 6, 2013 4:24am Feb 6, 2013 4:24am
Quoting traderathome
GU: Added long. MMs took price down to the same SR level as the price bounced off of the day I first entered long. I watched PA for quite some time at the very lows, which was getting the most concentrated activity. I see this as accumulation. And if this fires upwards (today, tomorrow, sometime this week) I anticipate at least a 100-150 pips swing. We'll see.

BTW, this activity is preceding a USD high impact release soon to come. I'm not trading news, but it sure looks like the MMs are.
GU: Added long on long setup during pullback to Dragon.
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  • #43,771
  • Edited 5:21am Feb 6, 2013 4:38am | Edited 5:21am
Quoting MtDarkness
London open is coming. So is the short signal on the 15 minute chart. Just be patient and wait and watch. It will give you a chance to enter. It almost always does. Price just dropped hard but will make its way back up to the dragon, which will be pointing down when it gets there, as per the rules of Sonic. I have had the hardest time with waiting for the signal, so I know it to be true. A valid entry will arrive, and it will be a good setup, and if it doesn't, or if you miss it- understand something that is VERY IMPORTANT- it is always...
It's true. It's the best way. Wait. You'll miss some and you'll get some. Overall, you'll miss out on a lot more of the losers than of the gainers, which is the objective. This was "waited out" because the setup/EP occurred before the LS. Such situations are notorious for flipping once the LS starts!

I thought this would give another wave/pullup during the LS if was going to turn out valid. It's not happening in the first part of the LS, so maybe after the US open. Especially since now the Dragon has just crossed down below the Trend! This is sometimes followed by a spike up, which the US MMs are quite good at.

The "determination" on this is not finished. PA could at any time start going up hard. We never can know, and that is precisely why we await the LS, when the highest concentration of trading happens because it makes for truer and better runs. This could continue on down. It could reverse and go up. Or, it could get that big leg#2 back up that we talked about for a LS short setup, which at this point might better be called a re-entry trade, since indeed we did miss the first wave/EP (but for valid reason).

For now, one could just enter short. Obviously others are doing exactly that while price cycles in its "consolidation zone". However, if this is going lower, then why would the US MMs not try and hike the price to get better priced shorts? I mean, they do it all the time. All the MMs do! So, they might do it today. This is a reason to wait even longer.

Each trader must decide for themselves.

-tah
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  • #43,772
  • Feb 6, 2013 5:07am Feb 6, 2013 5:07am
UCad:

Keep eye on this one if you trade it. (Gee, been saying this for so long, I think I'll apply for a patent on the phrase!)

Seriously, nice wave. Nice LS PA drop followed by volume. Nice bigger action picture with PA having bounced twice already at half number, and now "staging" just below PVT. And finally, there is high impact CAD release coming today.

-tah
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  • #43,773
  • Feb 6, 2013 5:24am Feb 6, 2013 5:24am
GU: Now a Sonic R. long setup with better wave than when I added. Note the double bounce, just like on UCad, but here it is over a shorter time span.
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  • #43,774
  • Feb 6, 2013 5:39am Feb 6, 2013 5:39am
EJ:

This is a nice example of a Sonic R. System short trade setup. EP works out to be in the LS. And in this case, you can see how the MMs are keeping the tight range in the EP zone. I presume they are distributing after the price failure at the upper half number. In a situation like this, meaning with the US MMs yet to do their thing today, one wonders if they should short in this shorting zone, or wait and see if the US MMs hike the price.

If the US MMs hike the price, and then the price keeps on going higher, then this is would not have been distribuition. It would have been accumulation. If the US MMs hike the price and it does not keep going higher, but reverses, then we get confirmation of the short trade.

If the US MMs don't hike the price, and price starts going lower, we still get confirmation of the short trade. And with the pump this has received over previous months, we really don't have to worry about pinching pennies on the entry.

-tah
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  • #43,775
  • Feb 6, 2013 5:59am Feb 6, 2013 5:59am
Quoting traderathome
It's true. It's the best way. Wait. You'll miss some and you'll get some. Overall, you'll miss out on a lot more of the losers than of the gainers, which is the objective. This was "waited out" because the setup/EP occurred before the LS. Such situations are notorious for flipping once the LS starts!

I thought this would give another wave/pullup during the LS if was going to turn out valid. It's not happening in the first part of the LS, so maybe after the US open. Especially since now the Dragon has just crossed down below the Trend! This is...
EU Comment:

On H1 when the Dragon crosses the Trend Line this is sometimes followed by a spike (reverse PA). Might be watching for this. Maybe in US session. If it happens, then a better short entry to the aforementioned setup might be presented. Dragon has already crossed the Trend Line on M15 (mentioned in the linked post).

-tah
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  • #43,776
  • Edited 7:03am Feb 6, 2013 6:42am | Edited 7:03am
Box-ing Time..with Bearish Bias..


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Sonic
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  • #43,777
  • Feb 6, 2013 6:58am Feb 6, 2013 6:58am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Box-ing Time..with Bearish Bias..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUX65Y5MigA

Sonic
Bear indeed. And RWL is nicely aligned with historic SR consolidation (ET: entry/exit) area. I just wonder if a meager 150+ pips swing down for this week's PA is going to satisfy the bears.

(BTW, FR and FE study lines will not overrun our Control Panel and FFCal Panel in the next release.)

-tah
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  • #43,778
  • Feb 6, 2013 7:04am Feb 6, 2013 7:04am
Quoting traderathome
Bear indeed. And RWL is nicely aligned with historic SR consolidation (ET: entry/exit) area. I just wonder if a meager 150+ pips swing down for this week's PA is going to satisfy the bears.

(BTW, FR and FE study lines will not overrun our Control Panel and FFCal Panel in the next release.)

-tah
PA is bearish with red candles...
But vol looks puzzling..


Trade with care..

http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1360154424

Sonic
  • #43,779
  • Feb 6, 2013 7:07am Feb 6, 2013 7:07am
GU Comment:

Best wave so far of the day. Why? Can you guess? Hint: look at volume associated with most recent lows. Dragon is flat due to the PA pullback manipulation by MMs, but it can angle up in a hurry once PA starts to break out upwards. That still remains to be seen, so at this stage we have a real nice setup forming, but no direction confirmation until it happens. And it could go either way (always remember that).

-tah
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  • #43,780
  • Feb 6, 2013 7:15am Feb 6, 2013 7:15am
Quoting sonicdeejay
PA is bearish with red candles...
But vol looks puzzling..


Trade with care..

http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1360154424

Sonic
Red volume bars simply mean exceptional candle spread x volume on a bear bar. It could be selling, or it could be buying at lows. Future PA lets us know. You are confused only because you have the habit of interpreting high volume on spike down bars as associated with "stopping" volume. And it usually is if it happens during a run down. But this is consolidation (ET: entry/exit) PA, which I interpret as the MMs loading up shorts. So, they do a selloff, which drives price down. Then they resurrect the price and start over again. This could be "starting" volume.

-tah
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