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  • #16,541
  • Jan 23, 2013 4:41pm Jan 23, 2013 4:41pm
Quoting Evaluator
allisonmagic,

I forgot to add....mkfx asked me what I am using right at the moment so I posted them.

Evaluator.:nerd:
lol
  • #16,542
  • Jan 23, 2013 4:42pm Jan 23, 2013 4:42pm
Quoting andddres1
Hi Evaluator, thank you for sharing,, here are the parameters Ive been using, maybe it works for someone else too

Extreme
0.05
0.2
trendline
8
Emotion
8
Sentiment
12
26
5

for all TF

cheers
andddress,

What tf do you prefer with those settings. I know you said all tf's but which one have you tested it on the most/trade with?
  • #16,543
  • Jan 23, 2013 4:44pm Jan 23, 2013 4:44pm
Quoting Stickbow21
andddress,

What tf do you prefer with those settings. I know you said all tf's but which one have you tested it on the most/trade with?
yah there is no way you can use the same settings for all time frames.. it just doesn't add up correctly
  • #16,544
  • Edited 4:57pm Jan 23, 2013 4:45pm | Edited 4:57pm
Quoting lastingwell
And now you have finally posted what you are actually using which is totally different to those in post #1 after all and that is why other people couldn't match yours. That will be my final word in the thread good luck to everyone here I think I have seen enough.

lastingwell,

No I was asked what I am using at the moment. I was testing and I posted what I was using. As to the optimals I still use those settings to trade and if you look at my post of today I posted the Optimal matrix today and you will still see those original settings.

I am glad this is your final post because now I can concentrate on making pips versus argue with you. Symphonie works and just because I post slightly modified settings means nothing. I told people when I posted them that ''you'' (the trader) need to test them for yourself and ''find the ones that work best for you.''

But if you cannot see that and just continue to argue then it is best that you leave because you have no interest to even test Symphonie so why not just move along and continuer your search for the ''Holy Grail''
I can assure you that you will not find it here..... What you will find here is a solid system for trading that may not win all the time but if you follow the rules that are clearly written in post #1 you will overall be successful.

Best of luck in your quest.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #16,545
  • Jan 23, 2013 4:54pm Jan 23, 2013 4:54pm
Quoting andddres1
Hi Evaluator, thank you for sharing,, here are the parameters Ive been using, maybe it works for someone else too

Extreme
0.05
0.2
trendline
8
Emotion
8
Sentiment
12
26
5

for all TF

cheers
andddres,

WOW andddres! Trendline of 8 and Emotion of 8 those are really sensitive. How are they working out for you? What has your win/loss rate been? Those seem too sensitive for me. I prefer a slower setting but I am working on something I am calling ''Quik Snap'' that is more sensitive and responsive to ranging (whipsaw) markts. I prefer setting that will stay out of whipsaws but because the markt has been in a 100 pip wide range mode (very unusual) I am lookig for something to use in a more tight markt.

Symphonie is designed to stay away out of rangin markts and keep to markt trends so I do no know how successful my testing will be but once I have a trade record to share...I will share will all.

Besk of Luck and let us know how those setting are working!

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #16,546
  • Jan 23, 2013 4:59pm Jan 23, 2013 4:59pm
Quoting Evaluator
lastingwell,

No I was asked what I am using at the moment. I was testing and I posted what I was using. As to the optimals I still use those settings to trade and if you look at my post of today I posted the Optimal matrix today and you will still see those original settings.

I am glad this is your final post because now I can concentrate on making pips versus argue with you. Symphonie works and just because I post slightly modified settings means nothing. I told people when I posted them that ''you'' (the trader) need to test them for yourself...

one thing i noticed is when we are in a ranging market.. i have to use the 1h .. i cannot trade the 5 in a ranging market because of all the noise and no direction.. like right now, we are ranging in most currency pairs. so i'm going back to the 1h . i was trading the 5 for a long time, until the markets killed me for 200 pips.. now im back to the 1h
  • #16,547
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:06pm Jan 23, 2013 5:06pm
Quoting allisonmagic
yah there is no way you can use the same settings for all time frames.. it just doesn't add up correctly

allisonmagic,

Exactly! Symphonie 4.4h must be modified because it uses MA and CCI and setting for one timeframe will not function the same in another timeframe because they are not looking at the same information because (for example) the averages of the last 50 bars of a 5min bar versus the last 50 bars of a 1H bar are totally different and looking at totally different information.

To properly use the Matrix for different timeframes requires one to have different setting to correct for the differences in informations that is gathered and calculated by the Matrix.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #16,548
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:14pm Jan 23, 2013 5:14pm
Quoting allisonmagic
one thing i noticed is when we are in a ranging market.. i have to use the 1h .. i cannot trade the 5 in a ranging market because of all the noise and no direction.. like right now, we are ranging in most currency pairs. so i'm going back to the 1h . i was trading the 5 for a long time, until the markets killed me for 200 pips.. now im back to the 1h

allisonmagic,

Yes this is one HUGE Triangle or Pennant pattern that is countingdown to a breaking point. It is most difficult to trade because the ranges keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller....until BOOM it breaks and because of the size and timeframe this Triangle or Pennant is taking the break should be just as HUGE!

This Triangle or Pennant started on 9 January and is still running and if it runs to eht very tip of the wedge in a whipsaw motion then I estimate another 10 days of this before the final move....AAAH!

But again the nice part is that traditionally the larger the wedge the larger the final move when the markt decides to trend. If up then I am looking for a 1.38 top and if down it has the potential to hit 1.2700. (my estimates)

It all comes down to what Mr. Markt want to do and where he want to go....I just want to be there when he finally decides so I am trade small lots and look for the breaks and play them will larger lots for more bang for the pips!

Evaluator.:nerd:

P.S. My apologies I am use wrong term (wedge) I correct because I mean triangle or pennant.
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  • #16,549
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:22pm Jan 23, 2013 5:22pm
Quoting Evaluator
allisonmagic,

Yes this is one HUGE wedge pattern that is countingdown to a breaking point. It is most difficult to trade because the ranges keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller....until BOOM it breaks and because of the size and timeframe this Wedge is taking the break should be just as HUGE!

This Wedge started on 9 January and is still running and if it runs to eht very tip of the wedge in a whipsaw motion then I estimate another 10 days of this before the final move....AAAH!

But again the nice part is that traditionally...
with all of the uncertainty of the euro zone at this point, noone has any idea what direction to take. all of the euro's promises and ideas are just mixing the bias of the masses
  • #16,550
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:24pm Jan 23, 2013 5:24pm
For everyone else...Here is what I am talk about. (thank you investopedia.com!)

Triangles
Triangles are some of the most well-known chart patterns used in technical analysis. The three types of triangles, which vary in construct and implication, are the symmetrical triangle, ascending and descending triangle. These chart patterns are considered to last anywhere from a couple of weeks to several months.

http://i.investopedia.com/inv/articl...Triangle_r.gif Figure 4
The symmetrical triangle in Figure 4 is a pattern in which two trendlines converge toward each other. This pattern is neutral in that a breakout to the upside or downside is a confirmation of a trend in that direction. In an ascending triangle, the upper trendline is flat, while the bottom trendline is upward sloping. This is generally thought of as a bullish pattern in which chartists look for an upside breakout. In a descending triangle, the lower trendline is flat and the upper trendline is descending. This is generally seen as a bearish pattern where chartists look for a downside breakout.

Flag and Pennant
These two short-term chart patterns are continuation patterns that are formed when there is a sharp price movement followed by a generally sideways price movement. This pattern is then completed upon another sharp price movement in the same direction as the move that started the trend. The patterns are generally thought to last from one to three weeks.

http://i.investopedia.com/inv/articl...lagpennant.gif Figure 5
As you can see in Figure 5, there is little difference between a pennant and a flag. The main difference between these price movements can be seen in the middle section of the chart pattern. In a pennant, the middle section is characterized by converging trendlines, much like what is seen in a symmetrical triangle. The middle section on the flag pattern, on the other hand, shows a channel pattern, with no convergence between the trendlines. In both cases, the trend is expected to continue when the price moves above the upper trendline.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/universi...#ixzz2IqO4yqvR
  • #16,551
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:27pm Jan 23, 2013 5:27pm
Quoting allisonmagic
with all of the uncertainty of the euro zone at this point, noone has any idea what direction to take. all of the euro's promises and ideas are just mixing the bias of the masses

Agreed but at some point in time this Symmetrical Triangle () will have to pick a direktion and the break should be strong and trending for a extended period of time.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #16,552
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:40pm Jan 23, 2013 5:40pm
it's going to be interesting to see what the market is going to do when we break the triangle we are see'ing on the 1h
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  • #16,553
  • Jan 23, 2013 5:42pm Jan 23, 2013 5:42pm
Quoting Evaluator
lastingwell,

No I was asked what I am using at the moment. I was testing and I posted what I was using. As to the optimals I still use those settings to trade and if you look at my post of today I posted the Optimal matrix today and you will still see those original settings.

I am glad this is your final post because now I can concentrate on making pips versus argue with you. Symphonie works and just because I post slightly modified settings means nothing. I told people when I posted them that ''you'' (the trader) need to test them for yourself...
Maybe one last post I am not searching for the holy grail I have been trading for a living for 5 years and I know bull**** when I smell it. You cannot put up a "tried and tested" system post the settings that surprisingly only a few people can match and then post another load of settings that you happen to be trading today...all the while telling people to find the ones that work best for them...and then tell them they should have got to breakeven if they had been trading the right way!! Good luck to anyone trying to follow that little lot!!
  • #16,554
  • Jan 23, 2013 6:18pm Jan 23, 2013 6:18pm
Quoting lastingwell
Maybe one last post I am not searching for the holy grail I have been trading for a living for 5 years and I know bull**** when I smell it. You cannot put up a "tried and tested" system post the settings that surprisingly only a few people can match and then post another load of settings that you happen to be trading today...all the while telling people to find the ones that work best for them...and then tell them they should have got to breakeven if they had been trading the right way!! Good luck to anyone trying to follow that little lot!!...
lastingwell,

Ok since you said one more....I will answer you.

What am I selling? Have I asked you for money? Answer: NO
Have I asked you to put real money at risk? Answer: NO
Have a said that Symphonie is the ''Holy Grail'' and will make everyone that uses it millionaire in a week, a month, a year? Answer: NO NO and NO



What have I done since the very beginning of this thread. Answer:

I have presented to you (the visitor) a trading system/strategy that I use everyday to make my living. I have specifically asked everyone NOT to trade it with real money and the only thing I have asked one to do is; IF they want to try Symphonie to setup a DEMO account, test it, strictly follow the rules and guidelines I have set out in post#1 and let the System/Strategy prove itself to you.

I have been very clear to let the Symphonie Trader System prove itself to each one that visits here. I have only asked people to use their time and learn how to trade and I provided all the points and guidelines and trials from my YEARS of study and trading.

I have also said specifically that is it not a system for everyone and if you try it and it does not work for you then my suggestion is to move on and continue your search for what works for you. (the trader)

I have also said very clearly that Symphonie will not make the right call on trade every time and that just like everyone in the markt it is subject to the same crazy changes in the markt that will throw off ones success rate.

I have also said that the Symphonie Trader System will be more right than wrong and will help the trader to be a better trader because it teachs one discipline, consistancy, and money management techniques.

So, you do not like Symphonie...fine. So you think it is not a good system...fine.....It has cost you nothing so....why don't you just leave and go find another that is right for you.

In the meantime...because I know and have shown that though consistant following of the system outlined in post#1 it has proven itself time and time again. Therefore, I will continue because I make pips each day using the Symphonie Trader System. Using the Symphonie growth plan I have shown that it is possible to ''slow grow'' ones account by being consistant and staying to the plan.

So, I ask each and everyone to spend no real money...download the system to a free demo account and then let it prove itself. Since you can not even do that you really have no room to post at all because you have not even done any research on your own or tried it.

So, in conclusion like all the other doubters who have come here and blah blah blah without trying it....''don't go away mad....just go away''.

Evaluator.:nerd:

P.S. To use a quote I have said many times....''never risk real money on a system you have never traded before...never trade real money on a system cold!''
  • #16,555
  • Jan 23, 2013 6:41pm Jan 23, 2013 6:41pm
just got a short signal on the euro/usd .. but i also had an entry on the gbp/usd and my platform entered on the gbp first lol.. oh well. i'll hang onto my trade and hopefully we will get some profits.. i'm in on the gbp/usd at 1.58233 going short.
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  • #16,556
  • Jan 23, 2013 8:30pm Jan 23, 2013 8:30pm
Quoting Evaluator
lastingwell,

Ok since you said one more....I will answer you.

What am I selling? Have I asked you for money? Answer: NO
Have I asked you to put real money at risk? Answer: NO
Have a said that Symphonie is the ''Holy Grail'' and will make everyone that uses it millionaire in a week, a month, a year? Answer: NO NO and NO



What have I done since the very beginning of this thread. Answer:

I have presented to you (the visitor) a trading system/strategy that I use everyday to make my living. I have specifically asked everyone...
  • #16,557
  • Jan 24, 2013 12:31am Jan 24, 2013 12:31am
just finished back testing for gbp/jpy in oct result was not bad but after i studied the system i made few rules for me how to enter and exit the result was awesome almost 400 pips in that month now i will go to test nov and dec .
  • #16,558
  • Jan 24, 2013 2:09am Jan 24, 2013 2:09am
Quoting anas hani
just finished back testing for gbp/jpy in oct result was not bad but after i studied the system i made few rules for me how to enter and exit the result was awesome almost 400 pips in that month now i will go to test nov and dec .

anas hani,

Please share....I am interested in hearing your new entry and exit rules.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #16,559
  • Jan 24, 2013 2:13am Jan 24, 2013 2:13am
More mindless whipsaws today as the EURUSD can not make up where it wants to go. The Key levels are the large yellow lines because they are the outer edges of the HUGE triangle formation that has contained the EURUSD since 9 Jan.

Which way will go first? I suggest if you are to trade then do so with small lots until the markt determine direktion. (only suggestion...)

Evaluator.:nerd:
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  • #16,560
  • Jan 24, 2013 2:22am Jan 24, 2013 2:22am
Quoting Evaluator
More mindless whipsaws today as the EURUSD can not make up where it wants to go. The Key levels are the large yellow lines because they are the outer edges of the HUGE triangle formation that has contained the EURUSD since 9 Jan.

Which way will go first? I suggest if you are to trade then do so with small lots until the markt determine direktion. (only suggestion...)

Evaluator.:nerd:

we are in a serious bit of congestion, i say just wait til we break the channel at some point. could be before the weekend but i seriously doubt it, with all the low volatility Thursdays and Fridays
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