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  • #42,981
  • Edited 3:04pm Jan 17, 2013 2:37pm | Edited 3:04pm
Quoting andyvxr
I take it TAH you believe markets are going to drop lol

Me to just added shorts to eurchf, eurusd, and eurjpy, plus short dax, its getting so extreme on the daily charts that my elastic band is going to snap back within the coming days

The SM are not buying these markets to go up, but distributing to go DOWN !!!!
"The SM are not buying these markets to go up, but distributing to go DOWN !!!! - andyvxr

Andy, that is exactly what I am saying! Take EU for example. For months now BM has been pumping it. Why? The Euro sucks, and now with President Obama re-elected there is improved opportunity for USD ressurection that the Euro can only envy. So, why does EU get pumped, continuously? And, gee, isn't it quite the coincidence this series of pumps began with Obama's re-election! Big Money. BM is systematically taking out Weak Hand shorts. By the time the Big Price Fall comes, who do you suppose are going to be the biggest holders of EU shorts? Geez!

But, when it comes to trading, the PA each day on the M15 chart entering into, and thru the LS is what counts. Nothing else counts. Why? Simple. BM might decide to move price up or down, no matter what their overall strategy is. After all, no strategy works if it does not offer incentive for "wrong side" traders to flock to the bait. And those moves for "wrong side" traders are perfectly good Sonic R. setups and trades. Just don't get greedy and overstay the welcome.

And Andy, I wish you'd post more frequently here. Your attitude is refreshing!


-tah
  • #42,982
  • Jan 17, 2013 3:04pm Jan 17, 2013 3:04pm
Quoting traderathome
News Flash: Breaking news......!!!!!
Sorry TAH but what do you mean by financial markets to close in 16 months?
  • #42,983
  • Jan 17, 2013 3:14pm Jan 17, 2013 3:14pm
Could be a clue that the Nikkei hasn't made new highs on this leg up today, but USD/JPY did. Either way if you look at the daily chart you know shorting the Yen is very clearly a strong trend right now. Looking at the Weekly and Monthly and I see that there's still TONS of room for the yen to get obliterated.


However, things don't normally go up/down in a straight line. Although the Yen does seem to trend pretty damn strongly when the trend gets going....... All I can say is don't underestimate this trend.

I lean more towards USD/JPY and the rest of them coming back down at least a couple 100-few 100 pips before the move goes higher... but I'm usually wrong and having a bias doesn't work most the time. Usually only ends up making you miss a trade or even worse let a loss get really big.

Just my worthless 2c. Good luck.
  • #42,984
  • Jan 17, 2013 3:29pm Jan 17, 2013 3:29pm
Patterns! Patterns everywhere!
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  • #42,985
  • Edited 5:35pm Jan 17, 2013 4:16pm | Edited 5:35pm
Quoting Mezzy
Patterns! Patterns everywhere!
Patterns, Fundamentals, Technicals, the Flea on a Leaf, and.....the Sonic R. System!

Big Money in the market moves the market. That is the fact of the market, unless Central Banks intervene. In which case, they suddenly become the biggest of the Big Money. So, as regards patterns, they mean nothing except as Big Money decides to follow them, carry them out. Retailers are nothing. Retailers are fleas floating down the river on a leaf, yelling out...."Help! Help! Open the drawbridge!" Full of their own oversized image of importance. Retailers are not a factor in market patterns. Retailers are not pattern makers, but pattern followers. Retailers are the sheep, not the herder. And patterns are created by the herder for the sheep to follow to the shearing.

Hence, when Big Money decides, patterns can be created and then NOT carried out, all just a ruse to shear the sheep. When Big Money decides, moves based on greed, not on fundamentals nor technicals, are what happen. At such times, Big Money moves can create patterns that are the pathway to fleecing the sheep, not the advertisement by Big Money, "Hey, folks. Honestly, here is what we are going to do. Honestly." And I'm not talking about patterns created overnight, either, but patterns months in the making sometimes for a really big show, and really big profits for Big Money. And then not carried out, at least not in the manner nor timing everyone anticipated!

Oh, yes, patterns do have to be completed frequently. Elsewise, how is Big Money going to instill conviction in the sheep to follow them? So, the really exciting, really interesting part of PA analysis is in trying to decipher what Big Money is truely up to. That becomes speculation. Just like having credence in, and following a pattern is speculation. Or should I say blind conviction.

What do we do? Back to basics. M15. London session. PA waves. Where is important S&R? What is PA doing at S&R now? The last time? Dragon angle? PA on correct side of Dragon? Nothing else matters. Nothing!

Patterns seduce folks into projecting, predicting, forming a surreal bias. This is never a good thing. It is a killer! The intra-day movement of price is reality. It is the only reality. And it only lasts while it is happening. Think about that, because it means trade the plan, but be properly responsive to the ever changing environment that is the intra-day PA.

Want to trade a high TF chart, based on patterns? Good luck to you. Want to trade M15, but squinch up the candles so you can see back to when Jesus was born, to see patterns and conclude what Big Money is going to do next? Good luck to you. Why do you think the Sonic R. System is successful? It is not predicated on patterns! Look at "The Secret of Sonic R." pdf. What do you find? Patterns? No! Technicals: Bollinger bands, RSI, Stochs, strength meters, scrubbing bubbles? No! None of that crap! What you find is instruction to look for those individual candles (those actual price moves by Big Money) that "more often than not" precipitate/confirm a successful Sonic R. setup on M15. "More often than not...", and that is as good as it gets.

-tah
  • #42,986
  • Jan 17, 2013 4:49pm Jan 17, 2013 4:49pm
Always on the same page TAH, great minds and all that, ok well I will make a promise to comment on this thread more often, but im a longer term player, 1hour, 4hour, daily for me, but it would be nice to mix it up abit.


Quoting traderathome
"The SM are not buying these markets to go up, but distributing to go DOWN !!!! - andyvxr

Andy, that is exactly what I am saying! Take EU for example. For months now BM has been pumping it. Why? The Euro sucks, and now with President Obama re-elected there is improved opportunity for USD ressurection that the Euro can only envy. So, why does EU get pumped, continuously? And, gee, isn't it quite the coincidence this series of pumps began with Obama's re-election! Big Money. BM is systematically taking out Weak Hand shorts. By the time...
  • #42,987
  • Jan 17, 2013 5:23pm Jan 17, 2013 5:23pm
Quoting traderathome
Want to trade a high TF chart, based on patterns? Good luck to you. Why do you think the Sonic R. System is successful? It is not predicated on patterns! Look at "The Secret of Sonic R." pdf. What do you find? Patterns? No! Technicals: Bollinger bands, RSI, Stochs, strength meters, scrubbing bubbles? No! None of that crap! What you find is instruction to look for those actual candles (those actual price moves by Big Money) that "more often than not" precipitate/confirm a successful Sonic R. setup on M15. [b]"More often than not...", and that...
lol, ok. I'll leave it alone.
  • #42,988
  • Edited 6:03pm Jan 17, 2013 5:44pm | Edited 6:03pm
Quoting Mezzy
lol, ok. I'll leave it alone.
Dear Mezzy,

Please be not dissuaded! Such presentation of ideas is a bounty to all Sonicers, new and old alike. In the quagmire, good aspects all around can be plucked out, polished up and presented. And any one of them might be just the thing a particular Sonicer needs to see to help put the puzzle to completion.

You have studied other systems, have gems from them. And in "their" way of presenting a concept might lay the removal of a road block to many Sonicers struggling to improve. Master Sonicdeejay proclaims, "Sharing is caring." And the many things you might share as time goes on could end up helping countless others.

Forgive me, but here is a suggestion. From your posts so far, it is obvious you have a giving, helping nature. Instead of just referring to other systems and books, take out from them a gem from day to day, and present it as applicable to what you see happening in the market. In that way, it reinforces it in you and draws the picture for others to behold and learn from. And not just new Sonicers, either. There is a truth about learning. Repetition. Repetition. Repetition. The young need it because they are easily distracted. The old need it because they easily forget.

Sincerely,
-tah
  • #42,989
  • Jan 17, 2013 6:08pm Jan 17, 2013 6:08pm
Quoting traderathome
Dear Mezzy,

Please be not dissuaded! Such presentation of ideas is a bounty to all Sonicers, new and old alike. In the quagmire, good aspects all around can be plucked out, polished up and presented. And any one of them might be just the thing a particular Sonicer needs to see to help put the puzzle to completion.

You have studied other systems, have gems from them. And in "their" way of presenting a concept might lay the removal of a road block to many Sonicers struggling to improve. Master Sonicdeejay proclaims, "Sharing is caring."...
Put like that, I can respect that.
I will try.

Sometimes though it gets discouraging to post and then get told that is irrelevant because it's not sonic.
There are many things that are relevant, even if they are not pure sonic trading.

I will try to be more specific in my posts.
  • #42,990
  • Jan 17, 2013 6:15pm Jan 17, 2013 6:15pm
GU:

The day starts right off with a setup! When was the last time that happened? I can't remember. Well, with hours to go until the LS, there is time to transistion for a new setup later. And this is the last day of the week. Time to be extra careful and picky. It does look good, though. Doesn't it? I mean, a setup right there at the whole number, and pivot line too! And in the same direction as the major PA move yesterday.
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  • #42,991
  • Edited 7:04pm Jan 17, 2013 6:27pm | Edited 7:04pm
Quoting Mezzy
Put like that, I can respect that.
I will try.

Sometimes though it gets discouraging to post and then get told that is irrelevant because it's not sonic.
There are many things that are relevant, even if they are not pure sonic trading.

I will try to be more specific in my posts.
Mezzy, stick to your guns. Nobody else around here pays any attention to me. Why should you?!

Even Sonic gives me a wide berth at times. Heck, he has even gone to posting on facebook first, instead of here, so I can flounder on my own....

Seriously, the Sonic R. System is very simple, elegantly simple, and which we believe is why it is successful. It is a job keeping it that way, keeping others from morphing it into something more complex that in eventuality will become a less effective system. That does not mean, however, "truths" about the markets and how price moves should not be shared, even taught. Whatever helps broaden, yet focus a traders perspective of the market, and how to trade it profitably, is rightly presented.

Think of it this way. The defense attorney slyly gets something out of a witness for the jurys ears to hear. The prosecutor shoots erect and shouts, "Objection, your Honor!" The judge sustains the objection. But the defense attorney just smiles. He has already gotten the point across, knowing it is valid, and will be hard for the jury to forget. Have at it, Mezzy.

-tah
  • #42,992
  • Jan 17, 2013 6:47pm Jan 17, 2013 6:47pm
Quoting traderathome

Think of it this way. The defense attorney slyly gets something out of a witness for the jurys ears to hear. The prosecutor shoots erect and shouts, "Objection, your Honor!" The judge sustains the objection. But the defense attorney just smiles. He has already gotten the point across, knowing it is valid, and will be hard for the jury to forget. Have at it, Mezzy.

-tah
Speaking of Attorney's my favorite show Suits is coming on tonight!
Thanks TAH, I'll keep doing my best to contribute!
  • #42,993
  • Jan 17, 2013 6:57pm Jan 17, 2013 6:57pm
UCad:

First GU, now this. Pro-USD sentimented PA, and early on in the last session of the week. Today might be one of those more interesting Fridays. Reluctant to bite the bait, though. Torn between doing that and waiting, ......patiently......, for the LS.
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  • #42,994
  • Jan 17, 2013 6:59pm Jan 17, 2013 6:59pm
GU:

And back to this one again. Man, this is looking like a Bear market finish to the week.
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  • #42,995
  • Jan 17, 2013 7:12pm Jan 17, 2013 7:12pm
AU:

Also starting to behave a little bearishly. Dragon only now showing a turn. Not LS. These USD pairs have a kind of consistency right now, a pro-USD flavor.
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  • #42,996
  • Jan 17, 2013 7:17pm Jan 17, 2013 7:17pm
EU:

Well, ok. I did GU. Then UCad. Then AU. Why not EU? Because, as always, this Primadona is the last to fall and the first to rise. It is the most manipulated of all the popular currency pairs. When you trade this one, you are going up agains the biggest of Big Money and where that Big Money is keenest on taking all your money away from you!

See, this sucker is last to show colors. And even now, not very commitedly. Is this going to be up or down today? Who in hell knows! The others are progressing. This one is not.
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  • #42,997
  • Jan 17, 2013 7:30pm Jan 17, 2013 7:30pm
Example of Yen Pairs:

See, they look like they want to collapse. But the market keeps hiking the price back upwards. Sell. Restore. Sell. Restore. PA is making waves down, though. By LS time these will either be in the basement, or the market will begrudgingly show us that is where they are most likely headed.

Ops! Disregard that last statement. That is bias speaking. I have no bias. I have no idea what will happen, nor when. And any "setup" prior to the LS might be more "bait" than bonafide.
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  • #42,998
  • Jan 17, 2013 8:06pm Jan 17, 2013 8:06pm
Quoting kotlt
Long UJ, SL 88.11, late entry EP 89.15
Out for some pips at 89.80. Not a good r/r trade, but it all about money.

http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1358416976
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  • #42,999
  • Jan 17, 2013 8:18pm Jan 17, 2013 8:18pm
Quoting traderathome
Patterns, Fundamentals, Technicals, the Flea on a Leaf, and.....the Sonic R. System!
... Why do you think the Sonic R. System is successful? It is not predicated on patterns! Look at "The Secret of Sonic R." pdf. What do you find? Patterns? No! Technicals: Bollinger bands, RSI, Stochs, strength meters, scrubbing bubbles? No! None of that crap! What you find is instruction to look for those individual candles (those actual price moves by Big Money) that "more often than not" precipitate/confirm a successful Sonic R. setup on M15....
Did a thread search and could not find The Secrets of Sonic.R pdf. Could someone direct me to the appropriate page please. Thanks a lot.
  • #43,000
  • Jan 17, 2013 8:35pm Jan 17, 2013 8:35pm
Quoting MidnightRun
Did a thread search and could not find The Secrets of Sonic.R pdf. Could someone direct me to the appropriate page please. Thanks a lot.
http://www.forexfactory.com/newreply...eply&p=2959460
Keep Simple...!
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