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  • #321
  • Edited 11:38pm Dec 12, 2012 1:32pm | Edited 11:38pm
Hey David,

That would be a real lost to this community if all your hard work and enthusiasms would get ruined by one person. Pretty sure he/she is not even around anymore. Please reconsider offering this great tool to the public again. What a real waist it would be to see it die out. I am an avid user and have zero issues with it (win7 x64). Would really be a shame to see one person ruin it for all the others who enjoy your great work. Especially this one. Could not bear the thought of it not being up on my charts anymore. Please, don't let one person ruin it for the rest of us and you...

P.S. As I mentioned before, please give me dickheads name…
Fuck Forex Factory.Wake up people.
  • #322
  • Edited 9:59pm Dec 23, 2012 9:20pm | Edited 9:59pm
HEY HANOVER GUESS WHAT...

Oh, and, uh... Merry Christmas!

(3:58 GMT. Turns out I put the date wrong and thought... but things seem to be working properly. All the Best. B.)
  • #323
  • Dec 23, 2012 10:08pm Dec 23, 2012 10:08pm
Quoting brucewhain
HEY HANOVER GUESS WHAT...

Oh, and, uh... Merry Christmas!

(3:58 GMT. Turns out I put the date wrong and thought... but things seem to be working properly. All the Best. B.)
I think there is a problem (some data appears to be missing from the download). Makes sense, as FF have recently made some major changes to their website — so why not the calendar, as well?

I will look at it when I get some time after Xmas. But I'll be making any fix available to only a select few, after what happened with the previous version. To anybody else, I recommend using Euclid's news indy.

Merry Xmas to you also.

David
  • #324
  • Dec 24, 2012 6:44pm Dec 24, 2012 6:44pm
Quoting brucewhain
HEY HANOVER GUESS WHAT...

Oh, and, uh... Merry Christmas!

(3:58 GMT. Turns out I put the date wrong and thought... but things seem to be working properly. All the Best. B.)
Thanks, Bruce, for letting me know. I have sent you a PM.

David
  • #325
  • Dec 24, 2012 7:17pm Dec 24, 2012 7:17pm
Quoting hanover
I recommend using Euclid's news indy.
and BTW, if it crashes your computer, it's hanover's fault for recommending it.

Merry Xmas.
  • #326
  • Edited 1:39pm Dec 27, 2012 11:43am | Edited 1:39pm
Well Merry Christmas & Happy New Year All!

I have switched to NewsCal and am glad to have the events dispayed in the colors indicating level of importance. This feature satisfies most of my needs because I seldom look at the "Previous", "Forecast" and "Actual" figures, since I don't specifically "trade the news" but want to know how my position(s) will be affected by it. Am attempting to train myself to "Watch it Like a Hawk". Unfortunately, last time there was an event that affected one of my open trades I wasn't watching it at all.

Must remember to turn on the alerts, which luckily have a sound that is different from the one already set to go off in three of four instances on my trading platform. There is no substitute for Plot_News as far as those "Oh, I wonder what caused that." moments, since previous events are not displayed, on the chart or otherwise. You have to find the time on the chart, which was easier with the Plot_News numbered wingdings, then go to FF to check and see if there was any event - This probably beneficial if I understand Nubcakes, for purposes of generating unique visits to FF.
  • #327
  • Edited 11:34pm Dec 27, 2012 11:00pm | Edited 11:34pm
OH! now i'm pretty impressed that NewsCal can plot verticle lines on the chart where events occur. Seems to me (not knowing anything about coding) that in this way it is able to do almost everything Plot_News does, without requiring the weekly (or at traders discression, more) download. Is something that displays numbered wingdings that give you the specifics about the event when the mouse is hovered over them (like Plot_News) envisioned????? Could such a thing actually be coded and function without requiring manual downloading?????

If so, you will have an events indicator that is better than the one on the Bloomberg Terminal. (Can't say about the LiteFX indicator and don't know about any others.) The Bloomberg indicator is like Plot_News except: The things plotted on the chart are not color coded as to level of importance. They all have the blue striped logo of the Bloomberg news indicator - In fact the entire form of each consists of that logo. - whatever it's called, and must be clicked to view the information about the individual event, which is shown in a box that opens up on lower right of the chart. In these several ways, Plot_News is superior to the the Bloomberg indicator. (Also the logo is rather large in relation to other things on the chart, but maybe that can be adjusted.)

Though I won't be leaving the verticle lines showing all the time it is nice to know they can be accessed in the interest of avoiding a situation like the one described in the above post.
  • #328
  • Edited 9:03am Dec 28, 2012 12:06am | Edited 9:03am
Quoting brucewhain
OH! now i'm pretty impressed that NewsCal can plot verticle lines on the chart where events occur. Seems to me (not knowing anything about coding) that in this way it is able to do almost everything Plot_News does, without requiring the weekly (or at traders discression, more) download. Is something that displays numbered wingdings that give you the specifics about the event when the mouse is hovered over them (like Plot_News) envisioned????? Could such a thing actually be coded and function without requiring manual downloading?????
Bruce,

Plot_News (1) gets its data from FF calendar's HTML, and (2) creates its own native database of historical events (back to Jan 2007). Whereas the other news indys (if I understand correctly) get their news from http://cdn.forexfactory.com/ffcal_week_this.xml, and are therefore limited to displaying whatever data is available there. That means that no 'Actual' or 'Revised From' values are available, and that data plotted is limited to past and future events of the current week only. However, it has the benefits of (1) not needing to use an external downloader (e.g. FFcal.EXE) to get the data, and (2) the format of the XML data remains constant, whereas the external downloader requires modification every time the FF calendar's HTML format is changed.

I went with the 'billiard balls' design, with event details being displayed only when the mouse cursor was hovered over a 'ball', because I thought it was tidier, and it's also possible for multiple news events to occur at the same time. Around the time I developed Plot_News (late 2006), there was another news indy available that got its news from dailyfx's calendar, and plotted the events as vertical lines/texts. But when there were multiple events at a given time, the texts overprinted each other, creating a difficult-to-read mess that also obscured other indicators and line studies on the chart. Hence I went with the 'billiard balls'.

With Plot_News, I attempted to code the downloading into MT4 indy itself , but it was taking 5-10 minutes to download a week's worth of news events from the HTML (processing the XML is much simpler and faster). Hence I chose to write an external downloader. I chose the HTML because the historical 'Actual' and 'Revised From' values were important to me personally. Plot_News was written originally for my own use, but when I discovered FF, I decided to share it publicly.

David
  • #329
  • Dec 28, 2012 12:10am Dec 28, 2012 12:10am
Quoting euclid
and BTW, if it crashes your computer, it's hanover's fault for recommending it.
Looks like I can't win.
  • #330
  • Edited 9:15am Dec 28, 2012 8:57am | Edited 9:15am
Quoting hanover
Looks like I can't win.
Win or Loose the numbered billiard ball format is still about the best possible I think. With a size -1 imight be better. Luckily they have wingdings 1-10.

I see the HTML has the figures for P, F, A & R whereas the part of that FF page your supposed to see does not. Strange.
  • #331
  • Dec 28, 2012 9:35am Dec 28, 2012 9:35am
Quoting brucewhain
Win or Loose the numbered billiard ball format is still about the best possible I think. With a size -1 imight be better. Luckily they have wingdings 1-10.
Win or Loose....Plot News was a great indicator. Its loss will be felt by REAL traders who can appreciate having all information on a chart in a flexible display. No other can compare..functionality ...flexibility.....stability.

Unfortunately I depended heavily on it as it gave me a very comfortable feel. I believe only another programmer/software engineer can appreciate the effort and functionality of Plot News, well thought out functionality, elegantly coded as only David can do, (same with VO Pro). The average person would not be able to see this David and so you should ignore them. As I have told David before, if I was still coding (which I wish I was) I would want to be like David.

In my days of coding I lived by a mantra that you can make an software solution fool proof u cannot make it idiot proof.

If your Plot News did not work under Win 7, its a lack of Windows knowledge by the user. I suggest you do some research about Win7 functionality and do not blame Plot News for your lack of knowledge, or stop using a computer.

Thank you for the use of this free solution for the past 3+ yrs. I am now going to have to find a new way to work, but I understand.

AM


Happy New Year, All the best of 2013

David in the early days of VO Pro I suggested you approach the Brokers to rent/lease VO Pro for their customers. I think you need to follow the money, the brokers are the ones who are consistently making money in the FX business. I would like to make this suggestion again, it will take some negotiation but it will be worth it.
  • #332
  • Dec 31, 2012 3:04am Dec 31, 2012 3:04am
it seems the last version of the Plot News v3.21 is no longer works in 2013. FF data news can only be seen until January 2, 2013 and this is very sad especially knowing that "Plot_News" not be updated anymore.

I know there are some good news indicator, but I think there's nothing simple. I really love the look of "billiard ball" and without so much text.

So, are there a programmer here who can help David to continue updating his "Plot_News"?
  • #333
  • Jan 4, 2013 12:00am Jan 4, 2013 12:00am
Quoting widhie75
it seems the last version of the Plot News v3.21 is no longer works in 2013. FF data news can only be seen until January 2, 2013 and this is very sad especially knowing that "Plot_News" not be updated anymore.

I know there are some good news indicator, but I think there's nothing simple. I really love the look of "billiard ball" and without so much text.

So, are there a programmer here who can help David to continue updating his "Plot_News"?

As you noted, David doesn't support this tool anymore. As "free" tools go, it's great for users, but quite a bit of hassle for David to keep supporting it.

However, the version you have, v3.21, *may* just resume working the first full week into the year ??? (That's my guess). It's possible there's a bug that only shows up at the boundary condition of when the year changes.

I have a workaround to still load the data. Run FFcal.exe, and turn off the button for "Auto set". That allows you to manually change the starting date from (at this moment) "12/30/2012" to any day you want.

It so happens that you can enter each day of this week, one at a time. It's supposed to load in consecutive days of data, but the "bug" is that it doesn't. However, it does load at least the specific day that you enter (along with some days in the next week too).

I did each day of this week, and everything has loaded.

Hopefully starting next Sunday 01/06/2013, I can turn back on "Auto set", and perhaps it will work as before. If not, I guess one can continue to run each day of the week as I did for this week.
  • #334
  • Jan 4, 2013 12:54am Jan 4, 2013 12:54am
Thanks, I'll try it later.
Currently, I still didn't have problem with it.
  • #335
  • Jan 7, 2013 3:31am Jan 7, 2013 3:31am
Attempted to use Plot_News Sunday night and the results were unprecedented. Used v3-11 of ffcal and it seems to get the billiard balls in the right place and time, but... In and effort to avoid the symptoms shown in the attachment below, switched to the old Plot_News - the one I've been using all along - after running the .exe file to get the recent version of ffcal. All newer versions of Plot_News were pasted over. Nonetheless there's this thing on the chart that looks like NewsCal except the times and dates are wrong.

On the H1 chart it can get pretty extreme: (see below)

(Maybe someone could question Hanover about maintaining the indicator, or building a new one that does not violate copyright law.)
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: Plot_News_Screwed.jpg Size: 261 KB
  • #336
  • Edited 9:14pm Jan 7, 2013 8:42pm | Edited 9:14pm
Quoting pips4life
However, the version you have, v3.21, *may* just resume working the first full week into the year ??? (That's my guess). It's possible there's a bug that only shows up at the boundary condition of when the year changes.
@everybody:
The problem is not caused by the time of year; it's because the format of the HTML has changed. v3.21 downloader is reading some news events, but not others.
Please consider using other news indicators like euclid's, FiatFap's or DerkWehler's (links are at the top of post #1).

Quoting brucewhain
Attempted to use Plot_News Sunday night and the results were unprecedented. ......
(Maybe someone could question Hanover about maintaining the indicator, or building a new one that does not violate copyright law.)
@everybody:
I very much doubt that these old versions of Plot News work correctly.
After one FF member threatened to hold me responsible for computer damages that he alleges were caused by Plot News, I have no intention of publicly offering any more free news indicators.
  • #337
  • Jan 7, 2013 11:00pm Jan 7, 2013 11:00pm
Quoting hanover
I have no intention of publicly offering any more free news indicators.
Note the clever wording!

Pretty soon it'l be Plot_Reuters.

Well we can only hope.
  • #338
  • Jan 9, 2013 1:11am Jan 9, 2013 1:11am
Now with my six years of using Plot_News receding into memory I notice something else about not having it:

As a form of graphical representation of movement in currency pairs it was close in terms of revealing info, to the price itself, in my experience, now that I am forced to think about it. It added a dimention that no other device I can think of does: With the wingdings set at zero on an M5 chart and spaced at fifty (equivalent of 5 on a four-digit platform) one got accustomed to predicting likely price movement based on configuration of the color coded wingdings. Was unaware (as with probably a lot of things having to do with my forex habits) of this till several times recently noticing my inability to do it due to absense of the indicator.

As I say, the Bloomberg events indicator - as with all others I know of - does not have the advantage of being color coded as to importance level, which enabled the above described predictive advantage, that I didn't even know existed till it was gone.
  • #339
  • Jan 9, 2013 1:16am Jan 9, 2013 1:16am
Quoting brucewhain
Now with my six years of using Plot_News receding into memory I notice something else about not having it:

As a form of graphical representation of movement in currency pairs it was close in terms of revealing info, to the price itself, in my experience, now that I am forced to think about it. It added a dimention that no other device I can think of does: With the wingdings set at zero on an M5 chart and spaced at fifty (equivalent of 5 on a four-digit platform) one got accustomed to predicting likely price movement based on configuration of the...
we GET it. you like this indicator.

http://www.forexfactory.com/calendar.php
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #340
  • Feb 1, 2013 5:33pm Feb 1, 2013 5:33pm
Attached: comma separated file of FF calendar news events from Jan,1 2007 thru Jan 31,2013, timestamped New York EST (or DST when applicable).

Columns (from left to right) are Date, Time, Currency, News description, Impact, Actual, Forecast, Previous, Revised from, Plotted wingdings symbol (ignore), Color value (ignore), Spacing (ignore), FF event ID
Attached File(s)
File Type: zip News 2007-01-01 thru 2013-01-31 timestamp NY time.zip   491 KB | 607 downloads
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