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  • #101
  • Jan 6, 2013 9:30pm Jan 6, 2013 9:30pm
Selym, I find this journal interesting. You have a post on the front page with a reference to water, and there's a droplet picture in the post. Do you take into account the characteristics of the ripples? Meaning, the differences between each "phase" of the ripple, like speed and ripple size and ripple length and ratio.

I notice some of your charts possibly take this into account, but I wanted to ask.

I don't think I've read you talk about tau, but do you know about tau?
Play the players, not the cards.
  • #102
  • Jan 7, 2013 6:09am Jan 7, 2013 6:09am
Quoting Alki
It is not a matter of when to reach destination, it is a matter when the real move will begin. This is the real question.
Alki, the way you see things, the way I see things, the way selym_co sees things and the way kiads sees things are all completely different.

selym_co posts his post, it has FibArcs and magnet points and a description. He sees a pattern and he has Limit Buy orders in place waiting for them to be hit. He sees that the price (because of the way he looks at the FibArcs and how and where he put them) is going to go in a certain way.

I post a different post it has other things in it, other patterns, other 'reasons'. I see some of what selym_co sees. He sees some of what I see. If both our different ways point in the same direction, we feel good because there are now 2 different ways that show a similar destination. What I use as my 'Buy Here' or 'Sell Here' signal from price movement is not the same as selym_co's. It can not be. I am me and he is him.

Now kiads, he might look at both mine and selym_co's methods and descriptions and he might scratch his head and say to himself "I see absolutely nothing of what they are talking about!" and he posts his method and version, using Stepped Hi-Lo Bollinger Bands combined with MacD and a 72EMA Hi-Lo channel. Me and selym_co look at this and we both scratch our heads and say "This confuses me. I see patterns, Kiads sees maths." BUT and this is the big but, If Kiads version points towards the same destination as mine and selym_co's does, then we have yet another totally different confirmation that we are all watching the same football game.

The WHAT you choose as your 'Buy here' or 'Sell here' trigger, what you use as your 'Place SL here' and place 'TP there' is something only you will ever know. If you have not worked out some method/style.pattern of your own to do so, then you are not trading, you are playing a guessing game of gambling.

When I say to selym_co "There are these angles" or "there are those grids" or "there are this type of Gann Ratio", it is not to try to get selym_co to change his ways or methods. It is to try add something that is constructive that might help him.

He looks at what I say, and chooses to throw away 99.9% of what I say. That is fine, but if that 0.1% helps him make a better trade or set his SL 10 pips higher and gets something more than before he read my words, then it is great. This is the way of 'growing' of getting 'better'. We need our friends sometimes for us to see the Elephant that is standing on our foot.

selym_co is not posting to say "do this and gain x many profits." he is simply stating the way he sees things, and showing by example how he reaches his conclusions. Take it, use it. Don't take it, don't use it... It does not matter. The ONLY way that matters to you is YOUR way.

It should never be anything else.

So when you enter a trade, or exit a trade, has to be based on a, b, and c which you have as reasons for doing or not doing in your own head.

If you would rather 'follow' someone elses way, you can simply take your money and invest it with a corporate investment company or bank.
  • #103
  • Jan 7, 2013 8:48am Jan 7, 2013 8:48am
Hello and Happy New Year to ALL!!!

I like the direction of this thread and what is has offered thus far. I would like to throw up a post with a manner in which I use Fib Arcs and the Trendlines that can be discovered using them. I apologize in advance for the platform that I use (not a clean as I wish) but it has its advantages that don't show on a price chart. So the chart will be a little busy, even though I like to keep things simple and clean. But the point will be made and I hope that it proves useful to those who find it so. There is a lot more that can be discussed in this particular example that I have illustrated. Like we could take this a bit deeper, regarding issues like the Sine Wave, the two right triangles (pt A to the center point of BC is 88 periods, center point to the first candlestick bar touching pt D, the red trendline is....88 periods. The horizontal Support/Resistance lines that prove to be obstacles projected forward in time...so on and so forth.

Thanks,

sjc
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  • #104
  • Jan 7, 2013 8:54am Jan 7, 2013 8:54am
Quoting jack-fx
Hi everybody....
still much fog on my walk

Just a simple suggestion about 45° lines.
Why not using menu command: Insert> Lines > Trendline by angles
then choose the preferred angle.
Of course it will move on zooming and tf change.
Thus, simply overlay a hand-drawn trendline on the previous one (and keep the last)

Hi jack-fx ;

Why we do not use that kind of trendline by angles is the scale in MT4 charting system which makes it very difficult to find real 45 degree. You shud check BlueMental's posts in order to understand it better . You can even check it yourself too.Just draw a trendline by angle on ur chart and slowly move back in the history and you will see serious changes in the trendline. In other words that speciality in MT4 is just fake !

Regards...
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  • #105
  • Jan 7, 2013 9:04am Jan 7, 2013 9:04am
Quoting GnarlyPips
Selym, I find this journal interesting. You have a post on the front page with a reference to water, and there's a droplet picture in the post. Do you take into account the characteristics of the ripples? Meaning, the differences between each "phase" of the ripple, like speed and ripple size and ripple length and ratio.

...... but do you know about tau?
Exactly !!! Thats what I have been trying to tell since the beginning of the thread. The strength of the reference point on which the circles are settled defines the basic characteristics of the trend. The stronger it is , the more explosive the trend is , but at the same time those circular movements are limited by the factor of time and momentum . Its not a "scientific" thesis , its just what I see. Maybe I shud study more in order to reach the reality. Yes GANN said that price and time are two related parts of a whole , but there is another factor which we pretend as if we do not see ... its momentum (excitedness or laziness) of the trend which is something corelated with the reference point.. I talk as if the market is a human and this might make you think that I am mad. (Maybe I am ).But for sure just like BlueMentail said in his first posts in this thread this market has humanly characteristics. Everything in this universe is a "creature" and the unity of similar size of symmetry makes me visually see that there is one strong king which dominates everything. And we can make money in this market by decoding his work of arts and his methods and his understanding of time and his understanding of symmetry ,....

I hope I didnt bore you ...On the other side ı do not know what tau is ... I never heard it ... I will be glad to learn it too...

Regards
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  • #106
  • Jan 7, 2013 9:27am Jan 7, 2013 9:27am
Quoting Coondawg71
Hello and Happy New Year to ALL!!!

I like the direction of this thread and what is has offered thus far. I would like to throw up a post with a manner in which I use Fib Arcs and the Trendlines that can be discovered using them. I apologize in advance for the platform that I use (not a clean as I wish) but it has its advantages that don't show on a price chart. So the chart will be a little busy, even though I like to keep things simple and clean. But the point will be made and I hope that it proves useful to those who find it so. There is...

First I didnt understand it when you told ur approach in the PM , now I get it. It looks like the picthfork without the sidelines and FiboArcs based on the reference point , but its really interesting that the intersection points have such great roles and effectiveness. Once more I am amazed with the harmony ... I will try it on my charts...Thanks and regards...
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  • #107
  • Jan 7, 2013 10:27am Jan 7, 2013 10:27am
Hi,

this is the sentence took from my post to reply to me.


Quoting Alki
It is not a matter of when to reach destination, it is a matter when the real move will begin
And this is the whole answer !!


Quoting BlueMental
Alki, the way you see things, the way I see things, the way selym_co sees things and the way kiads sees things are all completely different.

selym_co posts his post, it has FibArcs and magnet points and a description. He sees a pattern and he has Limit Buy orders in place waiting for them to be hit. He sees that the price (because of the way he looks at the FibArcs and how and where he put them) is going to go in a certain way.

I post a different post it has other things in it, other patterns, other 'reasons'. I see some of what selym_co...

Advices, too much speaking..etc. Wouldn't be better to understand something to ask it? instead of things that surely some newbie will need and certainly not me? Is this all frustrations you feel and trying to get it outside of you in forms of advices? Whatever your reasons, i wonder for people who are not direct in their requests. Look at the sentence i put always downward of every post and you will realize that i do not need any of such advices you give.

It was better to say: please, i did not understand your calculations of entry and exit in your last two trades. I sure, i gave you the answer, and we stop in that point.

Who told you that i am following some one else? Where did you see that there is no strategy in my plans? Which genius idea comes to you to say that "you are playing a guessing game of gambling"?

Did you read my recent posts, or you are reading only what you want to read?

Quoting Alki
No, there is for sure more serious and mathematical explanation. Hazard does not exist in forex. It is not a big casino.
Are you repeating to me what my self said before? Or you wake up in the morning and realize that you did not answer well yesterday, and then you come back with your long post?

We discuss about timing, if you you do not care, i answered that:

Quoting Alki
Of course, this is my point of view and every trader choose whatever he wants and what ever he feels good to trade with.
I thought the point of view was clear, but it seems not. Then, seen the discussion will go out of trading, it is better for my time to stop posting here. Maybe i will see your nice and long reply as usual, but it is enough as wasting time in reply which has no relation of trades.

Wish to all, even you, good trading.
Little luck is forex water. Learn all Trading strategies, then forget them.
  • #108
  • Jan 7, 2013 10:51am Jan 7, 2013 10:51am
Quoting selym_co
Exactly !!! Thats what I have been trying to tell since the beginning of the thread. The strength of the reference point on which the circles are settled defines the basic characteristics of the trend. The stronger it is , the more explosive the trend is , but at the same time those circular movements are limited by the factor of time and momentum . Its not a "scientific" thesis , its just what I see. Maybe I shud study more in order to reach the reality. Yes GANN said that price and time are two related parts of a whole , but there is another...
I think there's more than three parts than what Gann says. Have you looked up dimensions? Some people think we have eleven, or even twenty five, while others think there can be infinite. However, on the charts, things are little simpler. The X and Y axis are two dimensions. The third is time, because the Z plane doesn't exist on a chart. This would be momentun, The fourth is possible scenarios that can happen based on a previos point. The fifth dimension would be more or less manipulation. The sixth dimesion would be different markets. This is just my take, and it's not a full thought on it, but you get the idea if you watch the video.

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This next video is interesting, too.

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Also, I do think the markets are quite human. They are made by humans, for humans, moved by humans. Maybe there's a ratio between the average rate that a human will naturally choose bad risk over good. There's a TED talk where a lady studied monkeys using currency. It's even posted somewhere on this site. However, I also think of a lot of analogies to the natural world for the markets.

A pack of wolves tend to eat on a certain basis, depending on season and other ecosystem factors. There's also the second link my signature, where in one of the very few posts I talk about the retail market being like a jellyfish that feeds itself with algae that grows in the jellyfish.

http://scienceblogs.com/lifelines/20...-relationship/

This stuff is interesting to me, hopefully you don't get bored. :nerd:
Play the players, not the cards.
  • #109
  • Jan 7, 2013 12:35pm Jan 7, 2013 12:35pm
Quoting Alki
I thought the point of view was clear, but it seems not.
Your point of view is totally clear Alki, you want someone to give you a magic genie that says 'The price is going to reverse NOW."

You choose not toread and examine what I have said, because 'I use too many words'.

It is a free world Alki. Don't!

I have spent a lot of time writing what I know and how I see things so that others can see (at least part) of how I see things. It has taken me years to slowly get the little pieces that all add together to form a 'view' that makes sense. Because you expect instant answers, and you are frustrated because you have no idea when to enter a trade, does not mean I can tell you when. You asked. I answered.

If you can not waste your time on long words, then don't. Nobody is forcing you.
  • #110
  • Jan 7, 2013 1:07pm Jan 7, 2013 1:07pm
I was sleeping , and I just woke up and wanted to check if there are new posts and I saw that discussion above. Ok its not a serious discussion but believe me nothing in this world is worth fighting. Because this is not an endless life , we can die even in the following minute ... Like Shakespeare said :

Quote
All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances;


We are just on a stage playing our roles ... And this theatre will end up some day ... Please lets just enjoy this life instead of fighting or discussing. I came to this forum because of that speciality that here people just help each other instead of discussing or saying bad things to the other. And the portrait up to now really made me soo happy because ı see lots of people contributing like hard-working friends ... I feel thankful for it. I hope noone's heart is broken.

Alki , I am happy with your questions , they force me to study more ...BlueMental is also a good guy who shares his knowledge with us. Just like the forex market the relationships also has cyclic trends , sometimes it has to go up , and sometimes it has to go down. Its the natural cycle. We shud not expect it to be perfect all the time ! Because it impossible to remain perfect all the time...

Regards ...
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  • #111
  • Jan 7, 2013 1:11pm Jan 7, 2013 1:11pm
A special treat for selym_co and GnarlyPips.

I seldom get bored, since both of you mention it in recent posts.

You may or may not have heard about a scientist called Milo Wollf. He studies mostly quantum physics. While you may or may not be interested in quantum physics, he recently proved scientifically that there is no such things as physical matter. There are only waves.

I think you will find it interesting to view the following site:-
http://www.treeincarnation.com/audio/milowolff.htm

There is an audio recording as well as visual representations of what he explains. No, he does not rattle of algorythms and science babble. I understood what he had to say and I never did well at science in school.

After you have viewed that part of the site, I think you would find the 4 sections regarding numbers by Justin Lawless also very interesting. He will show you some stuff about numbers and Fib Numbers that are amazing. After that.... the rest of the site is also mindblowing. Don't blame me if you get stuck there until you have seen and read all those long explanations about life in general, of which all are useful in life and trading too.

You may or may not notice, that in the Justin Lawless section, He shows how, using one of Bucky Fullers calculations, that 0^2 (0 squared) is not actually zero as mathematicians have believed for thousand of years. 0^2 = 2 This ties in fully with the cycle of the square of 9.

selym_co, GnarlyPips mentioned Tau (for those who do not know, it is pronounced Dway). I mentioned to you earlier about Guy Finley, he is the closest Western equivalent to Tau.

In case others are interested, you can ffind him here:-
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct...55534169,d.d2k

Finally, if you find Tau and FibNumbers interesting, I think the following site will interest you as well:-
http://hans.wyrdweb.eu/tag/magic-square/

It is a blog site and while it does not give full details on the many interesting Number Patterns, for example The Vedic Square which is all about the Harmonics of the number 1 to 9. It gives many links that lead to in depth detail.

I hope you enjoy.
  • #112
  • Jan 7, 2013 1:27pm Jan 7, 2013 1:27pm
This might seem totally unrelated to Forex and selym_co's thread about Circular trend waves. But I promise you, that is exactly what it is about. It all depends on which eyes you use to see.

Recently I decided that I wanted to bake bread. I have heard over the years here and there that a pastry chef has a 'special soft touch'. While bread is not exactly pastry, it does at least use similar ingredients.

So I figured, 'how hard can it be?'. I followed the recipe and did everything exactly as it said. I used the right amount of flower. The right amount of everything involved. I mixed it just as the recipe explained. The picture of the loaf of bread in the recipe site (books? do they exist anymore?) looked amazing.

I waited for it to rise as described in the recipe. I put it in the oven.... I left it in there exactly the right amount of time at the right temperature. I let it cool down the right amount of time to get it 'easily' out of the baking tin....

After half an hour of chiseling the solid lump out of the tin, So heavy and hard that I could use it as a weapon, or an anchor for a boat, but definitely NOT for eating.

I have since re-tried the whole escapade, and of the 8 or 9 (not sure exactly how many) loaves I have baked, the last 2 were actually almost edible!

Maybe a few years from now, I will actually be able to bake a decent loaf of bread. But I discovered one thing for sure. I do not have that 'special soft touch' and I will never be a pastry chef....

At least not in this life.
  • #113
  • Edited 5:05pm Jan 7, 2013 4:52pm | Edited 5:05pm
EURUSD ... I just wanted to add the picture with the real 45 degree trendlines drawn to 103 Scale FiboARCS. Surprisingly the trend which started from the reference point at 1,2660s has been respecting the 45 degree line. This post is not a forecest. There is a bearish overall appearance in this pair. And the candle formations in the weekly chart confirm the bearish scenarios (the candles which appeared on top around 1,33s). Well...I will be looking for scalp chances in smaller timeframes with small RISKs until I go to bed.

The horizantal resistence (drawn with red) is also another fact with which we are face to face , I am sure there were some SELL LIMIT orders right at these levels.And now they are activated.

On the other side (If you look at the previous posts in the beginning of this pair) I was expecting this air to be perfect , which means that It shud fit the 1.618 cyclic harmony. Yes that cyclic target can be reached after some retracement , but the bearish sysmptoms which I talked about (above) changes my certainity to uncertainity

Anyway , here is the picture , time will show everything soon or late !


http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6600/58068845.gif

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  • #114
  • Jan 8, 2013 2:18am Jan 8, 2013 2:18am
For Alki:- You want to know the critical 'WHEN'. If you have read my 'lots of words' that say nothing and 'do not answer' your important question about WHEN to trade. Then these two pictures will mean something to you. Because They ARE the answer you are looking for. You are (at the moment) just using the wrong 'ears'.


Multiple Choice.

1. These 2 pictures answer your question.

2. If these two pictures do NOT say anything to you. Then spend a bit more time chiseling that lump of 'bread' out of the baking tin, and start again.

3. Pay no attention to my 'Lots of Words' because my words mean nothing.
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  • #115
  • Jan 8, 2013 9:10am Jan 8, 2013 9:10am
The Time in the trade record is EST
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  • #116
  • Edited 9:16am Jan 9, 2013 6:30am | Edited 9:16am
EURTRY D1 ... The pair has landed on the trendline which is a potential bounce-up level. The fcat that the price did not touch the circular target makes me suspicious about the reliebility of this position , but sometimes I shud take some risk After missing the chance of SELLing EURUSD at 1,3125s I am a little depressed Anyway , A bullish trend which will start from these levels might go to really higher levels , but for sure it wont be an explosive trend..just a boring one :S


God bless us all !!



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  • #117
  • Edited 9:17am Jan 9, 2013 6:56am | Edited 9:17am
Quoting selym_co
EURTRY D1 ... The pair has landed on the trendline which is a potential bounce-up level. The fcat that the price did not touch the circular target makes me suspicious about the reliebility of this position , but sometimes I shud take some risk After missing the chance of SELLing EURUSD at 1,3125s I am a little depressed Anyway , A bullish trend which will start from these levels might go to really higher levels , but for sure it wont be an explosive trend..just a boring one :S


God bless us all !!



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...

And I just wanted to add the big picture too ...


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  • #118
  • Jan 9, 2013 7:01am Jan 9, 2013 7:01am
EURUSD D1 ... This is the big picture of the pair showing the possibilities in the future which have a high percentage of possibility. I have set up my plans for trendline-bounce up , I hope everything will be fine...Time will show everything

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7778/eurusdbig.gif

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  • #119
  • Jan 9, 2013 12:13pm Jan 9, 2013 12:13pm
USDCHF ... Being a negative correlated pair with EURUSD , this pair is one of my favorittes. As you can see in the picture there are two circular wave structure in the pair which dominates the price, But also I tried to add three angles on each circular wave structure , 45 degree line , being the mid-angle , can be our reference angle for detemining the real trend. The trend which started at 0,72s is now below the 45 degree line and also has broken the 1,618 circular support (red circle) . So we can say that the target for the price in long term is somehow touching the 2,618 circular resistence. But for now It cannot help us make predictions about the price , but on the other side it can give us opinions about the time or the completion of the cycle.

The real thing which I want to tell about is the green circular structure which begins from the top of the price (0,9975) , and that structure is also drawn the 45 - 22,5 - 67,5 degree lines . 45 degree line , being the center of our focus has acted well. But now the price is above 45 degree line and this situation gives us an impression of the possibility of a bullish pressure until the price touches 67,5 degree line. Here comes the "but" sentence .... But if this pair moves up to the 67,5 degree line then it will result as a bearish trend in EURUSD which is something I do not expect. So I have a big question mark inside of my mind telling me to be more and more careful...


http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3176/usdchfh.gif


Why do we need long term analysis ? Honestly I do not find any logic behind this method. Well , if you think that its just a kind of filter , then the answer is again "no" because we use money menagement rules as the filtering progress. Maybe its just a psychological element which comforts us The expected explosive downtrend in USDCHF will carry EURUSD to real higher levels...
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  • #120
  • Edited 2:25pm Jan 9, 2013 12:26pm | Edited 2:25pm
USDCHF ... And here is the picture of the same pair with a zoom-in chart. Every prediction in this pair will be the opposite prediction of EURUSD.I just want to add the correlation table between USDCHF and EURUSD which is %99.1 ...

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7535/korele.jpg


The zoomed-in chart tells us that there is a possibility of bullish trend in this pair and the pair will find a resistence there which will help the price to throw itself in the downside direction But ofcourse its just a possibility that I see , the air might continue its bearish trend and thus EURUSD will go upwards . Well , there is not much to say...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/941/usdchf2.gif

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