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  • #41,601
  • Nov 29, 2012 7:21pm Nov 29, 2012 7:21pm
Audusd pending short order
ep: 1.0415
tp: 1.0388
sl: 1.0434

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  • #41,602
  • Nov 29, 2012 7:32pm Nov 29, 2012 7:32pm
NU: Entered short. SL mental (as almost always). Two TPs (tentative).
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  • #41,603
  • Nov 29, 2012 7:36pm Nov 29, 2012 7:36pm
AU: Entered short. SL mental. TP from historic S&R (viewed H1).
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  • #41,604
  • Nov 29, 2012 8:03pm Nov 29, 2012 8:03pm
Gu pending long order
ep: 1.6052
tp: 1.6071
sl: 1.6036

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  • #41,605
  • Nov 29, 2012 8:07pm Nov 29, 2012 8:07pm
I have a "formal" request for the thread. I don't know if I'm eligible for. Anyway here it is. Recently, I received some/several private messages from people stating they are loosing money with the method. Because of privacy I'll not tell about them. I know the method is build on strong fundamentals. They are learning. Some of them told me that sometimes they follow posts forecasting you can make 50 pips above or below before the momentum. They are not stupid. They are learning. I'd like to delete all the posts stating you can make an amount of pips before the actual thing. You can say it later. Among these people there are good traders and they are ashamed to say this in public. Thanks, Umbro
  • #41,606
  • Edited 9:08pm Nov 29, 2012 8:46pm | Edited 9:08pm
Quoting traderathome
EU Comment:

There are 46 pips between support and a logical target that is conservative (within day range), should this set up and drop. Of course the LS might see the market drive price upwards before a move down. That could result in a SonicR short setup with the EP zone higher than the support shown, and a trade for more than 50 pips.
Quoting traderathome
GU Comment:

Same story as EU above, but a bit over 50 pips between support and possible target.

Quoting umbro
I have a "formal" request for the thread. I don't know if I'm eligible for. Anyway here it is. Recently, I received some/several private messages from people stating they are loosing money with the method. Because of privacy I'll not tell about them. I know the method is build on strong fundamentals. They are learning. Some of them told me that sometimes they follow posts forecasting you can make 50 pips above or below before the momentum. They are not stupid. They are learning. I'd like to delete all the posts stating you can make an amount of...
Excuse me for being blunt, but that is all absurd! I posted these charts you see below. In the two posts I clearly stated such as, "...should this set up and drop...", and "...could result in....", and "...a bit over 50 pips between support and possible target." I never stated any guarantee that if the market moved prices in those directions indicated, that PA would reach the "possible" targets involved. I won't state any apology for my posts. I am not responsible if folks that take on the highly dangerous task of trading, do so with limited reading skills and attention to details. Seems to me any complaints received are from folks that have a lot more problems still to come from their own self-deficiencies, including a lack of common sense, than from any posts such as these two of mine.

A lot of new folks have come here recently. Folks that are too lazy to follow intructions, to read and to learn how to properly use the sophisticated tools freely provided. They are so arrogant, they ignore any prudent study and then they have the gall to ask idiotic questions! I put up with it, but I am amazed at how such folks ever expect to succeed, at trading or at anything else! I don't know who these "secret complainers" are, but obviously they have not taken the time to even read the Sonic R. System Manual linked in Post #1. And if they did read it, they didn't have their brain engaged during the process! This situation really just makes me want to say to them, "_________________".

-tah
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  • #41,607
  • Nov 29, 2012 8:53pm Nov 29, 2012 8:53pm
Actually I was not talking to you...whatever you don't have to make any apology. Take it in cosideration... You can hurt people...because there are people coming here with dreams and expectations. Some people are thinking about making a life out this business. U




Quoting traderathome
Excuse me for being blunt, but that is all bullshit! I posted these charts you see below. In the two posts I clearly stated such as, "...could result in....", and "...a bit over 50 pips between support and possible target." I never stated any guarantee that if the market moved prices in those directions indicated, that PA would reach the "possible" targets involved. I won't state any apology for my posts. I am not responsible if folks that take on the highly dangerous task of trading, do so with limited reading skills and attention to...
  • #41,608
  • Nov 29, 2012 9:10pm Nov 29, 2012 9:10pm
IMHO, Sonic is just a tool to confirm your trade. A trader needs to have basic knowledge of Forex Trading. Not just entering blindly when there is a sonic setup. School of babypips will help a lot.
  • #41,609
  • Nov 29, 2012 9:14pm Nov 29, 2012 9:14pm
EJ rise and EU still can't break previous high. Let see what LS bring to us today .

EU also had a big sell yesterday, from 3013 to 2943
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Keep Simple...!
  • #41,610
  • Nov 29, 2012 9:14pm Nov 29, 2012 9:14pm
just... lol.
I don't know why, but I read umbro's posts in a child's voice.

lol.

TAH I like your analysis's of market conditions, I'm still trying to adjust my TP goals, your's are always higher than mine, probably because your better at picking out proper setups. Don't get offended if people blindly copy you and lose. This is not a signal service. It's a system.
  • #41,611
  • Edited 9:29pm Nov 29, 2012 9:15pm | Edited 9:29pm
Quoting umbro
Actually I was not talking to you...whatever you don't have to make any apology. Take it in cosideration... You can hurt people...because there are people coming here with dreams and expectations. Some people are thinking about making a life out this business. U
You could very well have been talking about some of my posts, or about any of hundreds of posts by me, and others. The point is, a person who takes on the daunting task of learning to trade so they can make extra money, or supplant an income, has no business complaining in such a manner. The Sonic R. System has been more than adequately presented. Tools that are more than adequate have been freely provided. And more than an adequate amount of ongoing examples of Sonic R. System trades (some profitable, some not) are contained in this thread. Instead of complaining, a person should shut up and go back to reading, absorbing, reflecting and growing.

Master Sonicdeejay and other contributors get paid nothing for all they have done in support of the Sonic R. System, and of this "...sharing is caring..." thread. I find it inconceivable that anyone would come here and start complaining without having made a fraction of the effort to learn the system as many others have made to present it! If that is all the effort that some are willing to put into something they "...are thinking about making a life out (of)....", then they better think twice!

-tah
  • #41,612
  • Nov 29, 2012 9:25pm Nov 29, 2012 9:25pm
You're wrong. There are people learning to trade to make a life.　You don't have to prove anything. But be aware... when you write you can make damage... I told you.
U



Quoting traderathome
You could very well have been talking about some of my posts, or about any of hundreds of posts by me, and others. The point is, a person who takes on the daunting task of learning to trade so they can make extra money, or supplant an income, has no business complaining in such a manner. The Sonic R. System has been more than adequately presented. Tools that are more than adequate have been freely provided. And more than an adequate amount of ongoing examples of Sonic R. System trades (some profitable, some not) are contained in this thread. Instead...
  • #41,613
  • Nov 29, 2012 9:40pm Nov 29, 2012 9:40pm
Hello... i'm new as a member in forex factory but i'ts my bad that i am leeching all the information without discussion among the sonicers here. I've been guilty for doing that. practicing sonic system for about half year and trading in real money but in the most minimal lot possible. Previously I was shotgunning the trade and lost about 30% of my initial capital in my account and after that, i get my footstep into sonic and i never look elsewhere but just to stick on to this and commit to it. I believe many system works as long we believe and we stick to it for a long time. But sonic makes things in the simplest and most logical form.

Today here, i decided to create an account and start discuss with you guys(if you guys welcome me as a newbie ). Oh ya... just before i start comment on any trade setup... I would like to thanks for all the contributor espeically SONICdeejay as the founder... and also TAH as the lead of the room. This sytem had bring back all my loses(30%) of my capital and now i'm all new. Not burning any account and not earning anything but earning knowledge in this 6-8 months time.
  • #41,614
  • Nov 29, 2012 9:46pm Nov 29, 2012 9:46pm
Quoting Mezzy
just... lol.
I don't know why, but I read umbro's posts in a child's voice.

lol.

TAH I like your analysis's of market conditions, I'm still trying to adjust my TP goals, your's are always higher than mine, probably because your better at picking out proper setups. Don't get offended if people blindly copy you and lose. This is not a signal service. It's a system.
Mezzy vai a fare in culo !
  • #41,615
  • Edited 10:49pm Nov 29, 2012 10:19pm | Edited 10:49pm
Quoting Mezzy
just... lol.
I don't know why, but I read umbro's posts in a child's voice.

lol.

TAH I like your analysis's of market conditions, I'm still trying to adjust my TP goals, your's are always higher than mine, probably because your better at picking out proper setups. Don't get offended if people blindly copy you and lose. This is not a signal service. It's a system.
I am not offended, but exasperated by folks that take what is freely given, then skip over any due diligence, and then if something goes wrong, complain. I don't consider their complaints an attack on me. I consider them yet another sign of a total lack of prudence on their part. Umbro would have me believe such folks are serious about trading for a living. And I seriously doubt that. These are folks that read, but don't think. And take to use, but scarcely bother to understand. Serious? Give me a break!

No one should copy trades of another, blindly or thinkingly. If they trade, it should be only because they understand the setup, the risks, the possibilities for success and for failure. It is their money. It is their decision. I and others, do not post trades here out of approbation lust, but because we "see" a worthwhile trade. Some go good and some do not. And that is a valuable part of the ongoing presentation of the Sonic R. System. No system will ever predict what the market will really do. That is why two identically perfect setups might yield only one profitable trade. No user of any system will ever predict what the market will do, either. And that is why each individual stands alone when it comes time to decide on a trade. No system and no other person will ever be a valid "cause" for an excuse or complaint.

Mezzy, I sincerely wish you success with coming to a good conclusion for managing your SLs. Personally, I have attempted time and again, to no avail. To me, it is like trying to out guess the market on a good trade. The market might spike the price opposite the trade for the very reason that the trade will be good. How far will the reverse PA go? How long will it go? Why bother to even guess? Either the trade will be good or it won't. And a reverse spike, or even a reverse move of PA over considerable time, does not invalidate the trade. So, where does the SL get placed? I do not know. And I wonder if I ever will. Master Sonicdeejay says on EU a tight SL is 80 pips, and 100 pips is not unreasonable. And I guess that is as good an answer as I have seen. Actually, I am thinking about indescriminately placing SLs beyond the Day Range marks. That's as good a guess as any. But everyone needs to work it out for themselves. Wonder why SL placement is seldom talked about with any sense of detail or finality of formula? My guess is because there can't be. And in the end, a close-in SL placed on order is, if not an actual target, at least a likely casualty before a good trade goes good. I place SLs on my pics. of trades, yet they are mental. Most of the time they get hit. Most of the time the trades eventually go good afterwards. You can understand the problem.
  • #41,616
  • Nov 29, 2012 10:23pm Nov 29, 2012 10:23pm
OK.

Quoting traderathome
I am not offended, but exasperated by folks that take what is freely given, then skip over any due diligence, and then if something goes wrong, complain. I don't consider their complaints an attack on me. I consider them yet another sign of a total lack of prudence on their part. Umbro would have me believe such folks are serious about trading for a living. And I seriously doubt that. These are folks that read, but don't think. And take to use, but scarcely bother to understand. Serious? Give me a break!
  • #41,617
  • Nov 29, 2012 10:47pm Nov 29, 2012 10:47pm
where is the all attachments link for this thread?
it should be http://www.forexfactory.com/misc.php...ments&t=114792
but when I access, it tells me "don't have the credentials required to access this page".
  • #41,618
  • Nov 29, 2012 10:53pm Nov 29, 2012 10:53pm
Quoting followtr
where is the all attachments link for this thread?
it should be http://www.forexfactory.com/misc.php...ments&t=114792
but when I access, it tells me "don't have the credentials required to access this page".
Page 1, post 1. The only logical place. Your "link" is nonsense and we don't know where you got it from, nor why you think it should be valid.
  • #41,619
  • Nov 29, 2012 11:07pm Nov 29, 2012 11:07pm
A Comment on the Sonic R. System:

Master Sonicdeejay recommends only trading the London session. Which means only taking on a trade during the LS. The trade can be left to run as long as you wish. There are good reasons for this, which are discussed over and again in this thread. Here is an example of why to not run amuk before the LS has gotten underway.

I took this trade earlier in this asian session. Now look at PA. The market has run the price back up. Is this a problem if the market is only running the price up in order to get more short orders filled? No, not for the validity of the trade. But it does make a mockery of having a close-in SL. And what if by the time the LS gets underway, the market has decided to be bull and not bear? Then that is a problem!

In the lighter volume parts of the trading day, swings like this are easier for the market to pull off. And they can end up making a setup invalid. And they can end up forming a new setup for a trade in the opposite direction. This sort of thing can happen in the LS also, but the higher trading activity tends to make swings bigger, so even a "false" one can be tradeable.

My SL is mental. My trade is in the red. I anticipated this and decided I would "wait it out" should it happen. But I could end up "wrong" and maybe have to wait days for this to come back profitable. But even if I end up being "right", look at the stress while waiting. I could have just waited until the LS, no matter how good the asian session setup looked, and avoided all of this. Not only that, but if in the LS this sets up again for a short trade, the EP could even be higher!

The Sonic R. System has very few rules and recommendations. They are all reasoned and important.
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  • #41,620
  • Nov 29, 2012 11:34pm Nov 29, 2012 11:34pm
Quoting Conorado
Gu pending long order
ep: 1.6052
tp: 1.6071
sl: 1.6036

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