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  • #706,141
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:04pm Oct 11, 2012 5:04pm
Quoting Rag2RichesFX
if you look at the national debt and who is by and large the holder of that debt... well duh... the FED.. and its like that with pretty much every nations central bank.
I don't have much ecomic knowlege so this comes as a bit of a puzzle to me. You are saying in most cases countries owe their debt to their central bank, then who own the central bank? Doesn't the countries owns its own central banks?
  • #706,142
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:09pm Oct 11, 2012 5:09pm
The euro could jump to as high as $1.33 if Mr. Rajoy requests European aid ahead of next week's EU summit, which begins Oct. 18, Mr. Jakubzak said.
  • #706,143
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:12pm Oct 11, 2012 5:12pm
Quoting CoolJL
I don't have much ecomic knowlege so this comes as a bit of a puzzle to me. You are saying in most cases countries owe their debt to their central bank, then who own the central bank? Doesn't the countries owns its own central banks?
the imf
A man is what he thinks about all day long. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
  • #706,144
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:13pm Oct 11, 2012 5:13pm
Quoting fxrustyspoon
the imf
the bis owns the imf
A man is what he thinks about all day long. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
  • #706,145
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:20pm Oct 11, 2012 5:20pm
Quoting Rag2RichesFX
when one truly understands the system, one understands why a 50/50 hedge of precious metals and US dollars is the safest way to go (along with other assets like farmland, going to appreciate like madddd). you can tilt it 25/75 when credit is contracting/expanding, to increase wealth, not just preserve it.

and...

if they end up going the deflation route, its funny, cash will not only be king.. it will be absolute master, this piece of paper promise that they can still create more of whenever they want.

[b]it makes me sick to my stomache every...
well said too many points to comment on so i will say
A man is what he thinks about all day long. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
  • #706,146
  • Edited 5:39pm Oct 11, 2012 5:28pm | Edited 5:39pm
Quoting CoolJL
I don't have much ecomic knowlege so this comes as a bit of a puzzle to me. You are saying in most cases countries owe their debt to their central bank, then who own the central bank? Doesn't the countries owns its own central banks?


no, central banks have their own share holders, some of which may or may not be by a nations government. however if the government does hold shares, you can be damn sure they dont have the majority of them.

pretty sure you and i can't just buy some shares of a central bank... its all secret backdoor stuff..

one thing is a fact, and that is that if central banks the world over were owned in majority by the government and the people, you can be damn sure the governments would not create their nations currency with debt attached to it.

i mean, what point is there in being a private shareholder of a central bank, or of anything for that matter?

profit...


isnt it funny how power can be consolidated by spreading it throughout companies?

i mean how do we not know there isnt one dude (or group of people) who owns like $10 trillion in market value and gets paid most of the dividends of all the banks, insurance, oil companies, etc...



in a nutshell, im pretty sure powerful and rich people are shareholders in central banks and they make out loans to governments which are very low risk, because you have the entire nation working to pay it off.

when all any government has to do is issue its own money and there would be no debt to pay, only taxes to keep the government services functioning.


theres lots of good videos out there... like the money masters for instance.. and "money as debt".

here i will link them..



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(in depth series on how banking is the biggest scam on earth)

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fractional reserve banking and private issuance of debt based currency (or any debt based currency) are the 2 largest problems on this planet. i can say that with 100% confidence.



anyway enough for one day here... i no longer focus on things out of my control. i just focus on making money on FX, then maybe one day i will have some power to influence the world in a good way...
Be hopeful in a winning position, and fearful in a losing position.
  • #706,147
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:33pm Oct 11, 2012 5:33pm
Quoting fxrustyspoon
the bis owns the imf
Quick read on BIS says its like a Central bank for Central banks.

Who owns BIS?

Whole financial system begin to sounds like a one big conpiracy.
  • #706,148
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:37pm Oct 11, 2012 5:37pm
Quoting fxrustyspoon
well said too many points to comment on so i will say
i should note... i said this time depression will cause war and thats how its different from last time...

well actually i take that back... WWII the biggest war ever was the only thing that pulled us out of that depression. MASSIVE inflation

and bankers love war more than anything else. because war lasts a long time and is very, very expensive. they make huge profits loaning to governments who have to pay for war or they will lose their country or power

its funny people think U.S. dollar has really inflated in the last 2-3 years. this is childs play compared to 2001-2007 dollar inflation...

hell you can even consider 2008 a correction or pullback (or taking profits) from the 2001-2007 dollar bear..

you can even argue that the financial crisis and recession from 2008-present is simply inflation consolidating (USD consolidating), and soon USD will break its all time lows...
Be hopeful in a winning position, and fearful in a losing position.
  • #706,149
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:37pm Oct 11, 2012 5:37pm
Many thanks to Rag2RichesFX
  • #706,150
  • Oct 11, 2012 5:41pm Oct 11, 2012 5:41pm
enough posting, lol i really have no life lately

back later when markets are moving
Be hopeful in a winning position, and fearful in a losing position.
  • #706,151
  • Oct 11, 2012 6:19pm Oct 11, 2012 6:19pm
Quoting Rag2RichesFX
enough posting, lol i really have no life lately

back later when markets are moving

Good stuff Rags2Riches!! Been saying it for most of my life.
  • #706,152
  • Oct 11, 2012 6:37pm Oct 11, 2012 6:37pm
Quoting CoolJL
Crazy times, ratings cut is view as good.

Makes me wonder how much shit we are really in.
Yes. Everything is upside down.
  • #706,153
  • Oct 11, 2012 7:22pm Oct 11, 2012 7:22pm
Today target : 1.3000-ish

GL
Slow and Steady!
  • #706,154
  • Oct 11, 2012 7:28pm Oct 11, 2012 7:28pm
I noticed the calendar says that BOJ Gov speaking is "tentative." My charts are showing something happening in a little under 90 minutes. We'll soon see.
Time turns trend. - W.D. Gann
  • #706,155
  • Oct 11, 2012 7:46pm Oct 11, 2012 7:46pm
it suddenly wants to climb...?
anyone knows why?
  • #706,156
  • Oct 11, 2012 7:49pm Oct 11, 2012 7:49pm
Quoting divak
it suddenly wants to climb...?
anyone knows why?
refer to your own signature
Slow and Steady!
  • #706,157
  • Oct 11, 2012 7:53pm Oct 11, 2012 7:53pm
Quoting divak
it suddenly wants to climb...?
anyone knows why?
I'm wondering the same thing. Buy the rumor? Who knows. But it sure does want to burst.
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Time turns trend. - W.D. Gann
  • #706,158
  • Edited 8:10pm Oct 11, 2012 7:59pm | Edited 8:10pm
Quoting divak
it suddenly wants to climb...?
anyone knows why?
some economical data release from Singapore , big move was on Singapore $ (90 pip in 5m) rest had little fast standard move

edit : :Earthquake Measuring 6.9 Magnitude Hits Eastern Indonesia
http://ptwc.weather.gov/ptwc/text.ph...012.10.12.0037
Mohan
  • #706,159
  • Oct 11, 2012 8:15pm Oct 11, 2012 8:15pm
Me thinking of going short right now with a tp @ 1.2900 near DP
Time turns trend. - W.D. Gann
  • #706,160
  • Oct 11, 2012 8:26pm Oct 11, 2012 8:26pm
Quoting ForExtraPips
Me thinking of going short right now with a tp @ 1.2900 near DP
looks asia trying to get some stops sitting above 50
Mohan
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