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  • #2,441
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:05am Aug 17, 2012 6:05am
Quoting icarusfx
I have traded 1h divs for years.... best treated as a heads up and pa to confirm but i don't need to tell you that rj.

this pic could be of interest to others though.

kind regards

Note the div at area's of s&r
Yes exactly. That's the very reason I mention that people need to be aware of divergence etc, bit not to let that form a bias in their mind. Divergence is best used in confluence with other reasons for the trade, like Genesis for example
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  • #2,442
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:05am Aug 17, 2012 6:05am
Quoting olivierforex
ie, the M5 stox crossed above the M15 stox not long after the M5 stox had been OS?
yes, exactly..added a chart, see the difference?
  • #2,443
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:07am Aug 17, 2012 6:07am
Quoting olivierforex
ie, the M5 stox crossed above the M15 stox not long after the M5 stox had been OS?
Are you doing some research/testing on the M5/M15 stoch relationship Oli?
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  • #2,444
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:14am Aug 17, 2012 6:14am
Quoting bubola
yes, exactly..added a chart, see the difference?
Duly noted, thanks. Goes hand in hand with the direction & divergence in the M15 stox i mentioned in reply to Jandre's post above.
  • #2,445
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:21am Aug 17, 2012 6:21am
Quoting realjumper
Are you doing some research/testing on the M5/M15 stoch relationship Oli?
I've had both M5 & M15 stox (and H1 for overall view) on my charts right from the start but I haven't had the chance yet to do long-term backtest about their positions relative to one another (apart from the obvious scenarios when both have just turned from OB/OS level and both are heading in the same way as Genesis matrix).
As you probably guessed right from my first post at Symphonie's lol, I'm not adverse to serious backtesting, so if there's anything that you need help with in testing, don't hesitate to ask (the weekend is coming too...)
  • #2,446
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:27am Aug 17, 2012 6:27am
Quoting olivierforex
I've had both M5 & M15 stox (and H1 for overall view) on my charts right from the start but I haven't had the chance yet to do long-term backtest about their positions relative to one another (apart from the obvious scenarios when both have just turned from OB/OS level and both are heading in the same way as Genesis matrix).
As you probably guessed right from my first post at Symphonie's lol, I'm not adverse to serious backtesting, so if there's anything that you need help with in testing, don't hesitate to ask (the weekend is coming too...)
I might take you up on that offer.....thanks.
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  • #2,447
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:28am Aug 17, 2012 6:28am
Quoting bubola
no, not long-term analysis, oli, but watching closely to see if these crosses can add something to genesis...best signals SEEM to occur when crosses happen very close to OB/OS areas..please compare with EU long signal: same situation, waiting for a long after 15mn arrow and matrix rotation, but look where the cross happened, near OB area...coincidence?
I agree bubola. This is also in keeping with the thread of Spudfyre on MTF stochs that RJ reffered to earlier in this thread. A great read RJ. Thx for pointing to it.

Good stuff here everyone. It certainly has revitalized my trading. Here is a quick snapshot of my chart. MTF stochs, MTF genesis, MTF arrows, and a large dose of patience. I do not always wait for the MTF arrows though. It is nice when they do show up together however. I simply keep a closer eye on the trade when I do not have M15 arrows but do have MTF Genesis in agreement, like it was 30 minutes ago.
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  • #2,448
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:41am Aug 17, 2012 6:41am
I am just wondering what if I take all the signals without judgement. Can a few big winners compensate many small losers in the long run and make me in black? I used to try Woodie CCI system and I was supposed to take all the trend line brake signals to make profit. It may not sound cool but anyway it's also a strategy. In addition, I am interested in combining QQE indicator with this system.... More to come later.
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  • #2,449
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:48am Aug 17, 2012 6:48am
I'm still confused with exits of this system..

Almost every trade I have entered has gone negative instantly (about 10 pips) and my SL is not really important anymore at this stage seeing as blocks have gone the opposite colour and stochastic has also started reversing. Soon after price will cross the MA line and open a bar on the other side and now it is definitely time to close with all those factors.

My entries are strict to system rules. I always have all bars the same colour, the ma cross and stochastic lines are where the should be and in most cases I have the arrow. Occasionally after I exit the trade its just a little drawback and then it continues in my original direction after I have exited.

I also seem to be missing a lot of good trades because the stochastic isn't where it should be so I don't take it. Which is a bit frustrating.

I haven't been paying close attention to the higher time frames as much as I should be maybe, from now on I think I'll watch the 15m along side the 5 to make sure it agrees and maybe when the 5 turns on me so quickly I'll wait for a confirmation signal on the 15m that it's going the wrong way.

Are the markets a bit bad at the moment or am I just a useless trader for now?
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  • #2,450
  • Edited 7:00am Aug 17, 2012 6:49am | Edited 7:00am
Quoting heispark
I am just wondering what if I take all the signals without judgement. Can a few big winners compensate many small losers in the long run and make me in black? I used to try Woodie CCI system and I was supposed to take all the trend line brake signals to make profit. It may not sound cool but anyway it's also a strategy. In addition, I am interested in combining QQE indicator with this system.... More to come later.
I did a rough test on this some time back, where I took every signal from Frankie open, or just before in some cases, until 2 hours past NY open. SL at the swing high/low. I don't have exact figures to hand right now, but the overal result was a reasonable profit. The losses were kept quite small, and some of the profits were quite small, but some of the profits were very large, and the combined profits were considerably greater than the combined losses.

Having said that, the discretionary trading we are doing here is much more profitable.
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  • #2,451
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:49am Aug 17, 2012 6:49am
Quoting heispark
I am just wondering what if I take all the signals without judgement. Can a few big winners compensate many small losers in the long run and make me in black? I used to try Woodie CCI system and I was supposed to take all the trend line brake signals to make profit. It may not sound cool but anyway it's also a strategy. In addition, I am interested in combining QQE indicator with this system.... More to come later.
From my experience QQE gives same signals as CCI.
CCI already included this Matrix. So, what the reason?
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  • #2,452
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:51am Aug 17, 2012 6:51am
nice things on the audcad and audusd at the moment..
  • #2,453
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:53am Aug 17, 2012 6:53am
Quoting Poh
I'm still confused with exits of this system..

Almost every trade I have entered has gone negative instantly (about 10 pips) and my SL is not really important anymore at this stage seeing as blocks have gone the opposite colour and stochastic has also started reversing. Soon after price will cross the MA line and open a bar on the other side and now it is definitely time to close with all those factors.

My entries are strict to system rules. I always have all bars the same colour, the ma cross and stochastic lines are where the should be and...
Todays market is quite choppy and not easy to trade if you are new(ish) to this business. Try to post charts when you have questions such as yours, so that we can see your entries and we may be able to help out.

Generally speaking though, with choppy action such as today, we have to be content with short sharp trades to chip away at some profits that will add up by the end of the day. Of course, there is nothing wrong with sitting on the sidelines to just watch and learn, and enter another day when the PA is more friendly!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,454
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:57am Aug 17, 2012 6:57am
Got stopped out at BE+2..oh well..
  • #2,455
  • Aug 17, 2012 6:59am Aug 17, 2012 6:59am
Quoting DmitryFX
From my experience QQE gives same signals as CCI.
CCI already included this Matrix. So, what the reason?
Oh, is that? I didn't know that. Thank you for letting me know this. :-)
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  • #2,456
  • Aug 17, 2012 7:03am Aug 17, 2012 7:03am
Please do you atach alert for this indicator : #MTF Arrows?
  • #2,457
  • Aug 17, 2012 7:09am Aug 17, 2012 7:09am
Quoting realjumper
Todays market is quite choppy and not easy to trade if you are new(ish) to this business. Try to post charts when you have questions such as yours, so that we can see your entries and we may be able to help out.

Generally speaking though, with choppy action such as today, we have to be content with short sharp trades to chip away at some profits that will add up by the end of the day. Of course, there is nothing wrong with sitting on the sidelines to just watch and learn, and enter another day when the PA is more friendly!
Yeah..as for exits I tend to use robots..they can do things dynamically and a lot more quicker than I can..using either of 3 personal risk settings (conservative, neutral, aggressive), the machine manages my trades; freeing up concentration for finding good entries. In slower markets, I tend to scalp with the rooicol EA; adapt the system to you Poh..maybe do a little more demoing..
  • #2,458
  • Aug 17, 2012 7:10am Aug 17, 2012 7:10am
Quoting heispark
Oh, is that? I didn't know that. Thank you for letting me know this. :-)
I can be wrong! Try to compare signals by yourself
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  • #2,459
  • Aug 17, 2012 7:12am Aug 17, 2012 7:12am
Audcad cant make up its mind..
  • #2,460
  • Aug 17, 2012 7:13am Aug 17, 2012 7:13am
every friday ohhh boy
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