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  • #2,221
  • Aug 15, 2012 6:22am Aug 15, 2012 6:22am
Quoting Jack Herer
short at 1.23257 closed at 1.22764 (around 80% of ATR)

SL: 20 pips

+49 pips

great signal, PA below DP making lower highs

edit: and in direction of 15M arrow
EU & UC were the best in the last run and as far as Genesis & the recently-discussed M5/M15/Arrow strategy is concerned, they were near perfect:

.double top(EU)/bottom(UC) off the DP and the MP (these 2 pivots were at the same spot for EU (1.2341) and they were within 5 pips of each other for UC - this creates doubly strong resistance(EU)/support(UC) areas
.the M15 matrix and the M15 arrow were already short for EU & long for UC
.if you were following the recent M5/M15/Arrow discussion, this would have kept you out of a potential bad M5 signal going the other way (that is, if you weren't paying attention to the DP/MP already lol)
.great R/R ratio as mentionned by Jack with the ability to put your (small) stop past the recent high(EU)/low(UC) and targetting the S1/R1.
.if you held on at S1/R1 (and moved your SL at least to B/E then), the next target was S2/R2 and we also had the 80% ATR first line (thanks again Jack) at exactly the same level and both lines got hit to the pip.
.EDIT: and quickly adding that the Stox weren't bad either: M5 great for both, M15 a bit flat for EU but had turned for UC and the H1 was nicely in the middle but pointing and moving in the right direction for both

In summary we had these 2 cousin pairs having loads of double confirming signals (the 'and' above) for extra confirmation.

EY & CY weren't as clear cut because the M5/M15/Arrow confirmation came a bit later but all the other Genesis stuff was present (including great R/R ratio for a move to their respective DPs) but credit to those who took them too
  • #2,222
  • Aug 15, 2012 6:25am Aug 15, 2012 6:25am
Quoting futurespeter
#MTF Arrow, attached.
Thanks, futurespeter! I've been looking for the source for that!
  • #2,223
  • Aug 15, 2012 6:33am Aug 15, 2012 6:33am
Quoting Cody_R
Thanks, futurespeter! I've been looking for the source for that!
You beat me to it Cody and thanks again Peter.
Ahem ... putting my recently improving coding skills to good use lol, for those who prefer 3 little arrows rather than 3 dots, here is the modified version.
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  • #2,224
  • Aug 15, 2012 6:45am Aug 15, 2012 6:45am
Quoting yelena
you can delete it from post #1. i really don't want to involve CSM here nor answer questions abt it.
It can stay on post #1
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,225
  • Aug 15, 2012 7:00am Aug 15, 2012 7:00am
Quoting olivierforex
You beat me to it Cody and thanks again Peter.
Ahem ... putting my recently improving coding skills to good use lol, for those who prefer 3 little arrows rather than 3 dots, here is the modified version.
Many thanks!
  • #2,226
  • Aug 15, 2012 7:31am Aug 15, 2012 7:31am
Quoting Leokira
Instead of a 15m arrow one can also open a second matrix set to 15m on the 5m chart, thus eliminating switching charts. When a confirmed signal appears there will be an arrow on the 15m tf. It also shows how the signal on 15m is developing.
I tried adding a 1m matrix to the 5m chart as well but it is not reading correctly, it is not on the same time as the 5m, it just copy's directly from the 1min without stretching it, Do you know how to fix this?
  • #2,227
  • Aug 15, 2012 7:35am Aug 15, 2012 7:35am
Quoting Jandre
I tried adding a 1m matrix to the 5m chart as well but it is not reading correctly, it is not on the same time as the 5m, it just copy's directly from the 1min without stretching it, Do you know how to fix this?
You can't add a lower time frame to a higher time frame chart. The second matrix always has to have a higher time frame than the chart of attachment.
  • #2,228
  • Aug 15, 2012 7:37am Aug 15, 2012 7:37am
Quoting Cody_R
You can't add a lower time frame to a higher time frame chart. The second matrix always has to have a higher time frame than the chart of attachment.
ahh, ok! Thanks Cody! I made some good pips tonight on that short!
  • #2,229
  • Aug 15, 2012 8:22am Aug 15, 2012 8:22am
The market started off slow, but it got there in the end. My daily target is met plus a few extra pips to cover yesterdays shortfall. Time to sleep....zzzzzzzzz....... see you all tomorrow.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,230
  • Aug 15, 2012 8:33am Aug 15, 2012 8:33am
Quoting realjumper
The market started off slow, but it got there in the end. My daily target is met plus a few extra pips to cover yesterdays shortfall. Time to sleep....zzzzzzzzz....... see you all tomorrow.
Today was slow until the sell off, have a good night! I managed to grab 80 pips out of eur/usd and eur/jpy! My daily goal is 10 so I'm pretty happy!
  • #2,231
  • Aug 15, 2012 8:37am Aug 15, 2012 8:37am
Quoting Jandre
Today was slow until the sell off, have a good night! I managed to grab 80 pips out of eur/usd and eur/jpy! My daily goal is 10 so I'm pretty happy!
  • #2,232
  • Aug 15, 2012 2:28pm Aug 15, 2012 2:28pm
Quoting yelena
there were only 2 sets of trades around frankie to recent history. i was switching TF's so my EA took the short too late for M5 and too early for M15 in EJ, sowee. but following the the M15 arrow, it's still okay. blue vertical lines represent M15 arrow.

that's more than 100 pips. quota met, yes? easy day no? and that's just EU and EJ
I was not so successful as you but all three trade was profitable!
Totally more then 50 pips))) Yahoo!
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #2,233
  • Aug 15, 2012 2:50pm Aug 15, 2012 2:50pm
I like the display you have with the 3 indicators and the multi timeframes, where can I get this up load?

[quote=Jandre;5929982]
Quoting Leokira
Instead of a 15m arrow one can also open a second matrix set to 15m on the 5m chart, thus eliminating switching charts. When a confirmed signal appears there will be an arrow on the 15m tf. It also shows how the signal on 15m is developing.[/QUO

Thanks, I really like the way this is looking!
  • #2,234
  • Edited 7:59pm Aug 15, 2012 7:30pm | Edited 7:59pm
I am a little bit skeptical about this 5-15 min combination strategy. Like any other lower-higher timeframe combinations (such as MA combinations), it looks also prone to whipsaws. If it can work, occasional winners should compensate losers. However, without solid exit rules, I cannot take full pips from only a few home-runs, and therefore its performance becomes mediocre. Let's see how it develops anyway.....
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
  • #2,235
  • Aug 15, 2012 7:52pm Aug 15, 2012 7:52pm
Quoting heispark
I am a little bit skeptical about this 5-15 min combination strategy. Like any other lower-higher timeframe combinations (such as MA combinations), it looks also prone to whipsaws. If it can work, occasional winners should compensate losers. However, without sold exit rules, I cannot take full pips from only a few home-runs, and therefore its performance becomes mediocre. Let's see how it develops anyway.....
It's good to be skeptical up to a point, but you need to also bear in mind the facts.

1. There is no 5-15 'strategy'. In this post I think I was pretty clear when I said "When we have arrived at a reliable method, we will see about introducing this as part of the overall Genesis Trading System for all to use and profit from."

2. Whipsawing markets are hard to combat......no one has mentioned anything regarding the types of market a 5-15 strategy could or couldn't work with.

3. We are not looking for "occasional" winners, we are looking for 'consistent' winners.....and if we can achieve that, we will let you all know.

4. Exit rules have been gone over again and again........pivots, s/r, round numbers etc etc etc

It is said that only fools and politicians criticize a half finished job....
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,236
  • Aug 15, 2012 8:03pm Aug 15, 2012 8:03pm
Quoting realjumper
It's good to be skeptical up to a point, but you need to also bear in mind the facts.

1. There is no 5-15 'strategy'. In this post I think I was pretty clear when I said "When we have arrived at a reliable method, we will see about introducing this as part of the overall Genesis Trading System for all to use and profit from."

2. Whipsawing markets are hard to combat......no one has mentioned anything regarding the types of market a 5-15 strategy could...
Thank you very much for your feedback. I don't criticize anything. I just want to know more about it. I will also share anything I find from my testing.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
  • #2,237
  • Aug 15, 2012 8:27pm Aug 15, 2012 8:27pm
Quoting thinK1234
hmm ok in the last 3 or 4 sites much people told they filter the trending pairs .. maybe someone has a tool that can be used in metatrader or you looking at other homepages ..

erebus post this picture .. http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1344985334

how can i get these ?
Maybe this link will work, try and see,

http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/php...p=16110#p16110

or Google for "SlopeStrength v1.0.3" ??
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #2,238
  • Edited 3:36am Aug 16, 2012 2:51am | Edited 3:36am
Good morning,

Hope it will be a green day for you all, I attached you 2 indicators as a filter for the system
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File Type: ex4 10.2 TMA slope true 4.30.ex4   10 KB | 540 downloads
  • #2,239
  • Aug 16, 2012 3:02am Aug 16, 2012 3:02am
Quoting bugsbunny110
Good morning,

Hope it will be a green day for you all, I attached you 2 indicators as a filter for the system
Hi Bugsbunny, can you explain how to read them please?
  • #2,240
  • Aug 16, 2012 3:04am Aug 16, 2012 3:04am
Instead of yet more filters, how about looking at a naked chart, that will give you more than enough clues of where price is likely to break
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