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  • #36,021
  • Jun 14, 2012 8:08am Jun 14, 2012 8:08am
Quoting JeRRimix
of course this is a simple trend system, there is trend there is profit, no trend no profit or even margin call
By the way...you make money with the trend. Just try to be picky and to stay out once you find a sideway market.
  • #36,022
  • Jun 14, 2012 8:09am Jun 14, 2012 8:09am
Nobody has answered me about the volume indicator. What reading do you check to confirm a massive sell is going to be happen ?
I notice the white reading or red for the 100% increase for a buy signal but I do not find any white or red for the downtrend.
Can somebody tell me a bit more, I never used any volume indicator in Forex.
Thank you guys.
  • #36,023
  • Jun 14, 2012 8:15am Jun 14, 2012 8:15am
friend
which indicator you use the latest with you?
  • #36,024
  • Jun 14, 2012 8:18am Jun 14, 2012 8:18am
Quoting jasakreatif
you entered with green trendline brakeout, so closed it when pa back touch greenline.

ps: kumaha doli sistem
LOL.. looks like the dragon aint angle it right.



ps: martil sampe 5 level baru breakout dan TP dolly nya. waaakakak
pusing klo sideway gini.
  • #36,025
  • Edited 9:05am Jun 14, 2012 8:40am | Edited 9:05am
Quoting zen4x
Nobody has answered me about the volume indicator. What reading do you check to confirm a massive sell is going to be happen ?
I notice the white reading or red for the 100% increase for a buy signal but I do not find any white or red for the downtrend.
Can somebody tell me a bit more, I never used any volume indicator in Forex.
Thank you guys.
Zen4x, the volume indicator does not give a "....reading...to confirm a massive sell is going to....happen." In fact, I know of no indicator of any kind that will confirm ANYTHING is going to happen in the future!

Sonicers, as traders, the sooner you accept that there is NOTHING you can put on a chart that will reliably forecast, the better off you will be. Technicals (indicators, including the actual price bars) denote history, and that is all they denote! Technical analysis is about finding certain PA patterns that tend, more often than not, to be followed by moves of a given direction. That is the basis for any technical trading system, including the Sonic R. System.

If you are looking for something to do with your money associated with guaranteed results, buy a burial plot.
  • #36,026
  • Jun 14, 2012 9:20am Jun 14, 2012 9:20am
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If you are looking for something to do with your money associated with guaranteed results, buy a burial plot.

I was comparing that volume indicator with the market faciliation index and if you overlay the two you can see when there is a price change and at the same time an increase in volume using MFI.
http://ta.mql4.com/indicators/bills/...litation_index
As I said I never worked with volume at all in Forex so It sounds news to me.

Thanks, Francesco.
  • #36,027
  • Jun 14, 2012 9:25am Jun 14, 2012 9:25am
Nice yesterday high spotted..



Sonic
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  • #36,028
  • Jun 14, 2012 9:38am Jun 14, 2012 9:38am
Is this a proper entry accordind to Sonic R system rules? i entered GBPUSD short right before LO with a wave down at the break of the trendline. SL on high of the large scale movement ( round number 1.5600) TP conservatively before RDL. The trade is now -40 pips, but i'm holding short, maybe i should try a breakeven close? I'm tryng to learn, i just want to know if this is a correct entry according to the rules or if i made some mistake in the interpretation of PA or Volumes. Thanks
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  • #36,029
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:09am Jun 14, 2012 10:09am
Quoting Gizzzmo
Is this a proper entry accordind to Sonic R system rules? i entered GBPUSD short right before LO with a wave down at the break of the trendline. SL on high of the large scale movement ( round number 1.5600) TP conservatively before RDL. The trade is now -40 pips, but i'm holding short, maybe i should try a breakeven close? I'm tryng to learn, i just want to know if this is a correct entry according to the rules or if i made some mistake in the interpretation of PA or Volumes. Thanks
No, this was not proper entry, primarily for two reasons. And there were other considerations, too.

Firstly, there was no M15 PA wave for a short trade where Leg #1 extended completely down thru the Dragon (contribution by Basber).

Secondly, you entered before the LS (London session) began. It is recommended you enter a trade only during the LS.

Another consideration is, had you studied more carefully the relationship between price and volume you might have seen the early asian down thrust to achieve lows garnered more trading interest than did the later highs. Volume charting can differ broker to broker, but this is what my chart showed. And this can be an indication the market is bullish. This showed up on the M30 chart, too.

Finally, you used M30 as your trade chart and a larger PA wave that began the previous day for your setup. There is nothing wrong with doing this. However, in this case the larger wave was indicating one thing, and more recent PA-Volume was indicating perhaps the opposite. Your trade ran for about 25 pips before PA began consolidation during the early LS. That consolidation time at the lows, together with the PA-Volume story, was a clue that price might be setting up for a reversal.

Sometimes good looking setups run only a small distance and then stop or reverse. It is a fact of life. And it is testimony that no matter how exacting TA might be, the BBs always have the upper hand by being able to suddenly put money behind moving the price in whatever direction pleases them instead.
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  • #36,030
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:23am Jun 14, 2012 10:23am
Thank you so much for your reply, it's always an opportunity to understand better what's up "behind the curtains". When you talk about relationship between price and volumes, you mean that i have to be aware of the difference between hi volumes in Highs and Lows of the price? I mean, am i right if i say that i should consider a high or a low MORE reliable if i see a volume charge in corespondance of it?
  • #36,031
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:33am Jun 14, 2012 10:33am
Quoting Gizzzmo
Thank you so much for your reply, it's always an opportunity to understand better what's up "behind the curtains". When you talk about relationship between price and volumes, you mean that i have to be aware of the difference between hi volumes in Highs and Lows of the price? I mean, am i right if i say that i should consider a high or a low MORE reliable if i see a volume charge in corespondance of it?
A "qualified" yes. Qualified because you cannot reliably make that determination immediately after the close of a bar. A high volume bar might just be a pause to be followed by PA continuing in the same direction. The determination must be made some bars later, and the more bars later the better. Sonicers do not trade based on any "immediate" price-volume story. We look to see if any story exists in recent PA that might be a clue, so that if/when a SonicR setup occurs we have that extra information to help evaluate. In your case, recent (early asian session trading) did provide a price-volume story that indicated the market was possibly bullish. And into the LS there was no valid M15 SonicR short setup.

This is how Sonicers need to collect information and evaluate before trading.
  • #36,032
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:35am Jun 14, 2012 10:35am
Thank you so much, i'm now taking a look on past charts to better identify those "clues" of price reversals. Great peace of information, i will try to focus some more on volumes in the future..
  • #36,033
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:41am Jun 14, 2012 10:41am
Just one trade this week... Anyone has the same difficulty finding a good trade?
  • #36,034
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:49am Jun 14, 2012 10:49am
Quoting traderathome
EU: Ok, new day. Today and tomorrow to go. Early asian session trading included a push down on the price (three M15 candles), accompanied by increasing trading as the price dropped. Hence, torpedo and buy strategy. This is a clue that the BBs might again be planning a drive up later. Note the relationship between PA and S&R, half number previous resistance maybe now turning into support.
Quoting traderathome
EU: As mentioned above, early asian session trading dropped the price with increased volume. And now Frankfurt Open trading is doing the same. This is the same strategy. Work the price down and the lower it goes, the more orders get submitted. Hence, this appears to be buying. If so, it still looks like the market is going to take the price for a run up later. However, we still have the LO and the US Open to contend with. Both events could be followed by the price dropping for the same reason.
Quoting traderathome
EU: Possible long trade setup senario. PA wave could turn out nice and regular. Be wary if Dragon does not develop upwards angle.
Quoting traderathome
EU: Price reached the tentative EP area, but without any good angle on the Dragon. So hopefully, nobody has entered. And now there is increased likelyhood the London market will push the price down like the others did earlier. Price might even drop below the tentative SL. This needs more time to develop, maybe into the US session. And if either (or both) London and US markets push the price down, should a SonicR long setup still present itself afterwards, the EP zone might be lower.
Quoting traderathome
EU: After the last high before the US open, price again is pushed down with higher volume into the US open. Now there is a new PA wave, also. The Dragon still lacks angle.
13 hours later,....."Told cha!"
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  • #36,035
  • Jun 14, 2012 11:12am Jun 14, 2012 11:12am
Quoting pip_hunter
Yep. GU has been suckin' it, but then again I wasn't at my computer at to catch the few moves I've seen.
Apparently (from PA-volume story) "GU has been suckin' it" because the BBs favored to push the price low and buy down there. The opportunity for a SonicR long trade seems to be vanishing with the close of the LS. Could a "surprise move" to the upside occur in the 2nd part of the US session? Who knows?
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  • #36,036
  • Jun 14, 2012 12:00pm Jun 14, 2012 12:00pm
By price suppression you mean sideway market ?
  • #36,037
  • Jun 14, 2012 1:29pm Jun 14, 2012 1:29pm
Quoting pip_hunter
Yes - Saw a quote from the ZeroHedgecom and was posted on the FF news feed saying the even risk going into the weekend will be big. Big enough according to them Oanda will not be trading. I went to their site but couldn't verify.
Yes, Oanda emailed its customers that they'll stop accepting trading activities on Sunday.
  • #36,038
  • Jun 14, 2012 3:07pm Jun 14, 2012 3:07pm
Quoting pip_hunter
That's who I trade though and I didn't get the email.
I probably should find out why.
OANDA is halting trading on Sunday until 3 pm EST due to the Greek Parliament elections. If you don't trade prior to 3 pm, it shouldn't affect you. I suspect though that OANDA is going to widen their spreads even after 3 pm until the dust settles.
  • #36,039
  • Jun 14, 2012 6:41pm Jun 14, 2012 6:41pm
Quoting pip_hunter
That's who I trade though and I didn't get the email.
I probably should find out why.

Here's their response:

Thank you for contacting OANDA. Please see the following content regarding the market hour on Sunday:


Due to the extreme volatility some market analysts foresee could result in the coming days, OANDA fxTrade will not accept any trading activity from 6:00 AM EST until approximately 3:00 PM EST, on Sunday, June 17, 2012. OANDA believes the convergence of a major market event during off-market hours represents a potential...
Wow. What a crock of shit. "Oh we're protecting clients from potential volatility". BS - Glad I am not 'under their wing', thank you very much.

Between Greek stuff, Fed meeting, G20 stuff, most traders NOT in a long term position might be better sitting on hands until dust settles, like Wednesday, jmho (and what I am doing, market has been a boring POS all week anyway)
  • #36,040
  • Jun 14, 2012 10:53pm Jun 14, 2012 10:53pm
Oanda & Any Others Closed Sunday

It has been posted that Oanda will be closed Sunday until 3pm EST, for reasons of anticipated market high volatility, including possibly sudden very wide spreads from liquidity providers.

Sonicers, don't be negative about this. First off, how many of you actually trade between Sunday 6am EST (in the morning) and Sunday 3pm EST (in the mid-afternoon)? Most brokers don't even open for new week trading until Sunday 5pm EST. What's your beef?

As far as the reasons stated by Oanda, understand that they are providing fair warning in advance that come the open of new week trading (Sunday at 5pm EST), prices could be radically different from the close of this week trading at the end of today! Oanda is both providing fair warning and giving its customers time to close positions ahead of whatever might transpire over the weekend to create havoc with forex opening prices next week. What more would you expect them to do? They certainly are not going to eat your losses for you! So, grow up and be appreciative of their fair treatment of their clients.

I do not have an account with Oanda, so I personally have no motives here but to encourage positive thinking instead of the nonsensical and juvenile reactions being posted.

-traderathome
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