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  • #34,521
  • May 8, 2012 11:07am May 8, 2012 11:07am
Quoting behrouzfx
hi all
a question:

when we should enter?
the red,black and green lines appear on chart autpmacially?

and I had runned the latest template(tah 04-04-2012 white.tpl)
thank you..
You really, really, REALLY need to start at the beginning of the thread.

The answer will be found if you do that.

  • #34,522
  • May 8, 2012 11:26am May 8, 2012 11:26am
Quoting traderathome
EU:

This is why I use a mental SL. And if they run a SL hunt again that high, I'm adding to the short trade.
EU:

I added on the second manipulation up, a few pips higher than previous EP. Not much difference. The big thing here is that this price manipulation gives added confidence in a later, more substantial move down. And now I can add a second TP to take advantage when it happens. And I might even adjust TP1 lower, too. I plan to survey the price action longer before deciding exactly where to move TP1 to, and where to put the new TP2. I'll post an updated picture of the trade when I do. As a current thought, maybe a 100+ pips swing is in the making, which would take PA down to the next lower half number. A 150+ pips swing will take PA down thru the lower whole number and on down to the next lower whole number. Those are the "Big Picture" outlooks for me, currently.


-tah
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  • #34,523
  • Edited 1:17pm May 8, 2012 12:49pm | Edited 1:17pm
Question for you Tah.

What do you make of the very large volume bar on the H1 chart, on the hammer candle low that is between the NY open and London close? (wish I would have caught this sooner, I would have scalped the move back up)

I ask because I don't see the same thing on the 15min chart and wonder how I should interpret it and if this is something indicator related or not. (It looks like stopping volume on the H1, but not really on the M30 and M15)

TIA
  • #34,524
  • Edited 1:11pm May 8, 2012 12:53pm | Edited 1:11pm
EU:

With about 4 minutes into the current TF, you can see how the market is using low volume to pump up the price. Whether a SL hunt, or triggering long orders into the market, it is still all about the market "forcing increased liquidity" to get more of its own short orders filled at higher prices. This price manipulation is happening with most of the forex market gone from the table, hence more easily accomplished and with fewer competitors to also try and take advantage of the move up. This is a very good indication that more downside is coming, imho.

Look at the 2nd pic. Last week finished with one of the 200+ pips swings. We have three more days this week to accomplish the same, and end up around the RWL mark. And to load up on shorts for this move down is what I believe the upwards price manipulations are all about. Just my opinion.
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  • #34,525
  • May 8, 2012 1:06pm May 8, 2012 1:06pm
Quoting traderathome
EU:

With about 4 minutes into the current TF, you can see how the market is using low volume to pump up the price. Whether a SL hunt, or triggering long orders into the market, it is still all about the market "forcing increased liquidity" to get more of its own short orders filled at higher prices. This price manipulation is happening with most of the forex market gone from the table, hence more easily accomplished and with fewer competitors to also try and take advantage of the move up. This is a very good indication that more downside is...
Looks like price is getting rejected at the 61.8% retrace and new Resistance level. I've added here as well
  • #34,526
  • May 8, 2012 1:16pm May 8, 2012 1:16pm
Quoting jayjonbeach
Looks like price is getting rejected at the 61.8% retrace and new Resistance level. I've added here as well
EU:

Bearish on broader FR study, too.
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  • #34,527
  • May 8, 2012 1:19pm May 8, 2012 1:19pm
Quoting traderathome
EU:

Bearish on broader FR study, too.
Nice catch we have confluence
  • #34,528
  • Edited 1:53pm May 8, 2012 1:24pm | Edited 1:53pm
Quoting jayjonbeach
Nice catch we have confluence
The RWL might only be part of the picture.... When I look at this picture, I wonder "How many longs got trapped above the gap, courtesy of our #*&! price manipulating market magicians?" Some are going to fruitlessly "hold out". And the longer they do, before finally giving up, the more money these market manipulators will make when closing some of their shorts as these longs finally take their losses.

Each new spike up is going to, in part, be to encourage trapped longs to "hold out hope" to recover their losses, so that they will continue to hold on, even right thru the next bigger swing down!

This, Sonicers, is the real forex market at work. These market manipulators are not our friends. And when we can take money from them, it is cause for A Sonicer Celebration!

-tah
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  • #34,529
  • Edited 2:03pm May 8, 2012 1:51pm | Edited 2:03pm
Here is how I see the current state of the H&S.

Measured target is the "ideal" target only. I'd be real happy if we tested the low down there

(Of course the true NL could be the S/R line too, and we're actually back above it and trying to hold it. These things are usually very hard to determine, until after the fact, such is the way of the markets...).
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  • #34,530
  • May 8, 2012 2:04pm May 8, 2012 2:04pm
EU:

The M1 volume-price story says it all. And this is prime manipulation while few competitors are around to take advantage of the highs that price is manipulated up to. Highest volumes are unilaterally associated with drives up to highest prices. This is unadulterated liquidity creation for the filling of BBs short orders. We just have to keep in mind that these sonsofbitches can keep this up for a very long climb, if they have a mind to. I.E., no trade entries based on guessing at the "final" highs!
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  • #34,531
  • May 8, 2012 2:09pm May 8, 2012 2:09pm
Quoting traderathome
EU:

The M1 volume-price story says it all. And this is prime manipulation while few competitors are around to take advantage of the highs that price is manipulated up to. Highest volumes are unilaterally associated with drives up to highest prices. This is unadulterated liquidity creation for the filling of BBs short orders. We just have to keep in mind that these sonsofbitches can keep this up for a very long climb, if they have a mind to. I.E., no trade entries based on guessing at the "final" highs!
Yeah that sure looks like "someone" is "loading up" at the highs alright...

Sidenote - yet another test of this Res FR level
  • #34,532
  • May 8, 2012 2:09pm May 8, 2012 2:09pm
Quoting traderathome
EU:

The M1 volume-price story says it all. And this is prime manipulation while few competitors are around to take advantage of the highs that price is manipulated up to. Highest volumes are unilaterally associated with drives up to highest prices. This is unadulterated liquidity creation for the filling of BBs short orders. We just have to keep in mind that these sonsofbitches can keep this up for a very long climb, if they have a mind to. I.E., no trade entries based on guessing at the "final" highs!
TAH, you have avoided getting trapped in trade manipulation with the rule about no trade entries outside of the London session. This seems a good example of why this is important.
  • #34,533
  • May 8, 2012 2:19pm May 8, 2012 2:19pm
Quoting traderathome
EU:

Bearish on broader FR study, too.
EU:

Just my two cents.
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Mind the gap
  • #34,534
  • May 8, 2012 2:22pm May 8, 2012 2:22pm
Quoting jayjonbeach
Yeah that sure looks like "someone" is "loading up" at the highs alright...

Sidenote - yet another test of this Res FR level
It is amazing, isn't it? All technical indicators are price derivatives, and are lagging indicators, and bogus for predicting. The only other indicator is volume (and that which passes for volume in the forex market), the only one not based on price. This indicator most traders shun, yet it is the one indicator, if studied properly, is sometimes a very accurate predictor,....and the only predictor there is!

Fortunately, we use it, as in this case, only to give us more confidence in the next SonicR short setup , and not to just jump in willy nilly at some high we guessed at!
  • #34,535
  • May 8, 2012 2:22pm May 8, 2012 2:22pm
If anyone here is interesting in Scalping, this is an excellent little system, especially coupled with another indy or two

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=127271

Your good friend Tah helped with the Pivot Indicator

I am using the THV V3 currently in conjuction with Sonic on M5 FWIW.
  • #34,536
  • May 8, 2012 2:34pm May 8, 2012 2:34pm
Quoting Sunbrella
EU:

Just my two cents.
Yes, but take a gander at the Daily......topside of macd study is weak compared to bottomside, and there is decidedly a sharp angled cross down now.

However, this points to the problem with using more and more technical indicators. They are lagging indicators, and like the macd, they seduce the trader into surmising what is about to happen, i.e., predicting.
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  • #34,537
  • May 8, 2012 2:46pm May 8, 2012 2:46pm
Quoting jayjonbeach
If anyone here is interesting in Scalping, this is an excellent little system, especially coupled with another indy or two

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=127271

Your good friend Tah helped with the Pivot Indicator

I am using the THV V3 currently in conjuction with Sonic on M5 FWIW.
Go for it! (He's brand new, and already trigger happy! )
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  • #34,538
  • May 8, 2012 2:59pm May 8, 2012 2:59pm
Quoting traderathome
Go for it! (He's brand new, and already trigger happy! )
New ? Hehe

Forex is 'new' for me to be sure, though I have been plugged in for about 3 months now before going Live (this is largely due to trying to find a suitable honest Broker, all while trading each day)

There are a good many reasons I am transferring over my daytrade and scalping activities to Forex from the USA and Canadian Stock Markets, and I'm sure the time I spent doing this which cost me a lot, will pay off nicely in the long run.
  • #34,539
  • Edited 3:19pm May 8, 2012 3:07pm | Edited 3:19pm
Quoting jayjonbeach
New ? Hehe

Forex is 'new' for me to be sure, though I have been plugged in for about 3 months now before going Live (this is largely due to trying to find a suitable honest Broker, all while trading each day)

There are a good many reasons I am transferring over my daytrade and scalping activities to Forex from the USA and Canadian Stock Markets, and I'm sure the time I spent doing this which cost me a lot, will pay off nicely in the long run.
No, I didn't mean new, as in new to trading overall, just new to us here on the Sonic R. System thread.

For scalping (not yet for me, but considering) I've developed a SonicR Dragon-Trend LX model (any TF configuration of Dragon-Trend on any TF chart). Here you see M1 Dragon-Trend on M5 chart. Threw in macd, since Sunbrella caused me to drag it out of the closet earlier.

As you can see, down on this TF, SonicR VSA can be even more "predictive".
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  • #34,540
  • May 8, 2012 3:13pm May 8, 2012 3:13pm
Quoting traderathome
No, I didn't mean new, as in new to trading overall, just to us here on the Sonic R. System thread.

For scalping (not yet for me, but considering) I've developed a SonicR Dragon-Trend LX model (any TF configuration of Dragon-Trend on any TF chart). Here you see M1 Dragon-Trend on M5 chart. Threw in macd, since Sunbrella caused me to drag it out of the closet earlier.

As you can see, down on this TF, SonicR VSA can be even more "predictive".
Very interesting TAH, please keep us posted

Watch what you about my friend Macd, him and I have been good friends for years, and he has done his share contributing to my account!
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