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  • #12,101
  • Edited 4:15pm May 3, 2012 4:15pm | Edited 4:15pm
Indeed DT... i closed with a +38% last month, because i entered a bad trade and forgot to put an sl on it and lost 12% of what i had reached with was around 54%. anyway this month i just start trading yesterday and im up 7% already.... BTW im trading gold and aud/usd in this days....e/u is beeing boring....

Quoting Daytrader74
Not sure about people saying they are "losing" with this system. I have made nothing but big gains and have more than doubled my account using this system in the space of 1 month! You really need to understand the system before you go trading it blindly!
  • #12,102
  • May 3, 2012 4:37pm May 3, 2012 4:37pm
Quoting tafadzwa02
Good point man , let me sign off this one.Good Luck .Ta
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Lets not get emotional on this...We are all in it to win together. Ohammond is right. I have been testing the system and have not figured out my exits clearly. I have been winning too. But, I am continuously refining.

It appears the first post does tell us the exits. The issue is we need more clarity. Tiger Woods has a good swing...so do I. The problem is no one knows me today. The exits...thats for me to figure out---what I am after is what works best for whom.

The reason we are all here is to learn and make this system better so that we all win in the game. There are so many of them doing well...need to be humble and go figure IT out!

Cheers
- Play Smart!
  • #12,103
  • May 3, 2012 4:49pm May 3, 2012 4:49pm
i think the system give us proper exits as it is. still once people start getting used to the system they refine somehow the strategy to their own personality, or trading style whatever we want to call it. for example even when i have a symphonie signal i try to check several other thinks, like... how much room do we have for that movement.... is it next to some S/R, pivots, round numbers or so? did we reached de daily range already? i also watch candle formation mainly for the exits and reentries... we all need to find our style. We have a awsome system here, but like all others, we cant follow blindly and mecanicly all the signal for entries or exits.....
just my 2 pips on that....

Quoting profpip
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Lets not get emotional on this...We are all in it to win together. Ohammond is right. I have been testing the system and have not figured out my exits clearly. I have been winning too. But, I am continuously refining.

It appears the first post does tell us the exits. The issue is we need more clarity. Tiger Woods has a good swing...so do I. The problem is no one knows me today. The exits...thats for me to figure out---what I am after is what works best for whom.

The reason we are all here is to learn and make this system better so that...
  • #12,104
  • May 3, 2012 5:20pm May 3, 2012 5:20pm
Hi,

Come on, dont leave the forum. We are here to learn and help each other. We want this to be the most active as well as welcoming forum.

May be someone else can answer your question other than hammond.

This is a good system, may be some traders have some clarifications even after reading post #1. There is nothing wrong with that.

I am also trading other systems, but I think this one has big potential. Let us not chase out each other.

Peace and Love to all traders.

thanks
  • #12,105
  • May 3, 2012 5:37pm May 3, 2012 5:37pm
Quoting tafadzwa02
To be honest , I have my own system , someone just told me about this one which i have traded this week AND LOST , I didnt have a single signal on my system this week but was trying out this one , otherwise I might as well forget about this , after all . I lost my money trying this system anyway

I have not posted because others have already said what I would have said; where that all the answers to basic questions are indeed in Post#1. I will also tell you that Symphonine has not changed in the over 10000 post made in this thread with the only major exception being Symphonie's format (via Symphonie Matrix) and where I talk about spike with colour is now just a colour change on the top row of the matrix. So, the principle is the same. (simple yes?)

HOWEVER, having read tafadzwa02 post I am now forced to answer.

My reply is why would you do something so stupid as to trade real money on a System you have NEVER used before??? Why ask such a stupid questions on what are entry and exit conditions when they are clearly outlined and explained in the first post???

You say you have your own trading system but you obviously are not successful or you would not be putting up real money on a system you have never tried before. You are acting irrational and erratic which are all the signs of a non-experienced trader that chases system to system seeking the holy grail where there is no work and only rewards.

This will NOT happen using Symphonie. It is flawed and will not be right 100% of the time. But using Symphonie your winning times will greatly outnumber your lossing ones.

Symphonie even with its simple watch the colour changes ''all indikators align make an order'' process is much much more than just that. As I have stated over and over again pattern/formation recognition of market price action is just as important as to obey the rules outlined in Symphonie.

In Symphonie there are 3 parts....First is the indikators and understanding their functions and how they work and conditions for entry and exit. Post #1 clearly defines those conditions. Second, is proper money management structure and how to best maximize your profits and minimize your market exposure and if you must take a loss then how to keep that loss small. Also, clearly defined and outlined in post#1. Third, and most important is YOU! you must learn the system get Accustom to market price actions and conditions learning how to interpret, execute, and trust Symphonie with the additional knowledge of understanding that the market changes and one must change with it. Lastly, Symphonie teaches you to be consistancy in your method and that is most important to being successful.

At the bottom of post #1 are my detailed explainations on how to evolve with the market and based in Symphonie's simply structure one can adapt to the ever changing market and keep out of trade loosing ranging and false breakout market moves and keep in the profitable market trend trades as Symphonie is degined to do and does best...(trade with the trend) RealJumper is the best example of this evolution and his interpretation of Symphonie's basic core and his addons to improve is trading.

For the past 18 months the market conditions are like no other time in recorded market history because the conditions of Global economies have never been so manipulated by Central Banks of the world as they are now. There has never been such coordinated Global effor to manipulate currencies as today. I personally have never seen so many false breaks in market direction only to run 100 pips and then remain for months in small 60 pips ranges as has been done in the market for the past 4 months. This is highly unusual.....BUT Symphonie has guided my to profit and even though I have lossing trades my losses are minimal because I use the Symphonie's Money Management rules to keep maximize profit and minimize losses.

So, in conclusion...instead of posting ''I have only lost money using Symphonie'' how about trading only ''demo'' dollars and actually learning the system as I have said in many many posts!! Not complain about loosing money until you actually learn Symphonie.

Then when you make a post....instead of complaining why you can not do it....POST A SCREENSHOT and tell us what you did and why you did it so we can see what you are seeing and then we can tell you our opinions on why or why not that was a good trade.


Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #12,106
  • May 3, 2012 5:50pm May 3, 2012 5:50pm
Quoting ohammond
Just a note looking at this from my (and I know a lot of others) point of view. If we keep answering the same questions over and over because someone can't be bothered to read, absorb and at least get the indicators on their charts before asking basic questions, when are we supposed to answer them all. Is it when we are trading live ourselves and in turn jeopardise our own incomes? Or should we take time out like we do very often and disturb our time off?

We are no longer going to answer basic questions that if you do a little work you will...

Olivia,

I am inclined to agree with you on your point. However, if someone actually does make the effort to understand and make an obvious attempt plus give a screenshot showing us what they see and explaining what they did and why they did it then ask a question. I think that qualifies as effort to understand and should be answered regardless how basic the question. Why? Because they are atleast they are making the effort.

But you are correct...if all one does is whine and complain and not make the effor to learn then they should be ignored.

-

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #12,107
  • May 3, 2012 6:00pm May 3, 2012 6:00pm
Hi Eval,yr money management of every 1000 = 0.1 lot and 50 pips stop loss is based on mini or micro.My micro acc 0.1 lot is 10cent per pip but my mini acc.0.1lot is $1.per pip
Thanks
  • #12,108
  • May 3, 2012 6:21pm May 3, 2012 6:21pm
Eval thx for the system .. ohamond, lhdt i tend to agree ...

Everything needs work be it trading or anything else ... understand it .. read it . test it ... even sex need preparation and time .. unless u like mediocre results. Have some patience.. test it , test it again and again .. have a feel for the system. Make some logs. Make it efficient ...
  • #12,109
  • May 3, 2012 7:06pm May 3, 2012 7:06pm
Quoting dextroze
even sex need preparation and time .. ...
I don't usually prepare for that one
  • #12,110
  • May 3, 2012 7:08pm May 3, 2012 7:08pm
Remember Richard Dennis, the commodities trader of the Turtles trading group? He was fond of saying you could publish the rules in a newspaper and no one would follow them. He also saidThe key is consistency and discipline. Almost anybody can make up a list of rules that are 80% as good as what we taught. What they can't do is give (people) the confidence to stick to those rules even when things are going bad.
  • #12,111
  • May 3, 2012 7:28pm May 3, 2012 7:28pm
Hi guys, I'm watching this thread since february, and I like this system. To honest I don't got "my way" yet with, but I have been trying get it, the big problem seems to be my self, ,I think with practice a lot( demo account) and discipline the good results will come.

Thank you Eval and other great guys

from Brazil
  • #12,112
  • May 3, 2012 7:35pm May 3, 2012 7:35pm
Quoting tafadzwa02
To be honest , I have my own system , someone just told me about this one which i have traded this week AND LOST , I didnt have a single signal on my system this week but was trying out this one , otherwise I might as well forget about this , after all . I lost my money trying this system anyway
And there we go....all there in black and white for everyone to see and learn from.

This person came here and attempted to trade this system. You expected to come here, download the system indicators and stand at the door of the bank with your big rake and pull in heaps of money.

Mate.....it doesn't work that way, and you actually look a little bit stupid right now.

When you get directed to a system by 'someone', the first thing you have to ask yourself is "why did 'someone' advise me to check out that system?" There's only two answers......

1. Because the system works, or
2. Because the system is an epic failure.

The system works......that's quite clear to anyone reading this thread who has more than one brain cell.

Now, in one week *YOU* can't make the system work for you......and quite frankly, I'm not surprised. You *clearly* have not bothered to read much of the thread. If you read the first post and (say) the last 100 or so pages, and then demoed the system for a month or two.....THEN came to the forum with charts and questions, you would receive help and quickly start to be profitable. And I know this for a fact because I have helped several people to do just that because I saw they at least made an effort.....so via PM and email, I have helped them and they are now flying free and making money.

If you do not wish to invest your time to learn the system, then no one here really cares.....at all!

You have your own system...fine.....go trade is.....and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #12,113
  • May 3, 2012 7:40pm May 3, 2012 7:40pm
Quoting timf1979
i think the system give us proper exits as it is. still once people start getting used to the system they refine somehow the strategy to their own personality, or trading style whatever we want to call it. for example even when i have a symphonie signal i try to check several other thinks, like... how much room do we have for that movement.... is it next to some S/R, pivots, round numbers or so? did we reached de daily range already? i also watch candle formation mainly for the exits and reentries... we all need to find our style. We have a awsome...
And that's the very reason that you are going to succeed here....you understand the system and you understand how to trade. You need to possess both of these qualities to succeed, and you do. Well done
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #12,114
  • May 3, 2012 7:52pm May 3, 2012 7:52pm
Quoting realjumper
And there we go....all there in black and white for everyone to see and learn from.

This person came here and attempted to trade this system. You expected to come here, download the system indicators and stand at the door of the bank with your big rake and pull in heaps of money.

Mate.....it doesn't work that way, and you actually look a little bit stupid right now.

When you get directed to a system by 'someone', the first thing you have to ask yourself is "why did 'someone' advise me to check out that system?" There's only two answers......

1....
  • #12,115
  • May 3, 2012 11:21pm May 3, 2012 11:21pm
Quoting Evaluator
Olivia,

I am inclined to agree with you on your point. However, if someone actually does make the effort to understand and make an obvious attempt plus give a screenshot showing us what they see and explaining what they did and why they did it then ask a question. I think that qualifies as effort to understand and should be answered regardless how basic the question. Why? Because they are atleast they are making the effort.

But you are correct...if all one does is whine and complain and not make the effor to learn then they should be...
I did actually say that
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If someone comes onto the thread and at least posts a chart to show they are trying to put the system together, then we answer all their questions.
I have answered loads of questions from people that at least make the effort, and will continue to do so.
  • #12,116
  • May 3, 2012 11:36pm May 3, 2012 11:36pm
I only came across this system about a month back and have only just recently had the chance to take a good look at it. From a newby looking in the one thing I think the other beginners are missing is the point of post 1. Reading post 1 alone gave me a good understanding of the rules but I couldn't successfully trade based on it. The real benefit I found from post one was all the links to other important posts that have been identified throughout the thread. These links described other peoples experiences with the system and where they succeeded and where they fell. I could write a step by step set of rules for riding a bicycle but I guarantee people would still fall off. You learn to ride by witnessing other peoples falls and having a few of your own.

Don't just read post 1, read all the post that it links to as well.
Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face
  • #12,117
  • May 4, 2012 12:18am May 4, 2012 12:18am
Quoting ohammond
I did actually say that I have answered loads of questions from people that at least make the effort, and will continue to do so.

No need to get defensive....I am agreeing with you!

I am just trying to point out to people that we all do help those that first put the effort in to learning Symphonie. You have been a most helpful contributor to this thread and it is greatly appreciated. If no one has ever told you.....I really thank you for your efforts!

Evaluator.

P.S. if you notice I gave you two thumbs up!!!
  • #12,118
  • May 4, 2012 1:59am May 4, 2012 1:59am
Quoting Daytrader74
Not sure about people saying they are "losing" with this system. I have made nothing but big gains and have more than doubled my account using this system in the space of 1 month! You really need to understand the system before you go trading it blindly!
but you don't trade this system
  • #12,119
  • May 4, 2012 3:16am May 4, 2012 3:16am
Quoting bobmorloc
but you don't trade this system
Yes he does. He has his own exits (as we all do) but his entries are symphonie.
  • #12,120
  • May 4, 2012 3:22am May 4, 2012 3:22am
Quoting ohammond
Yes he does. He has his own exits (as we all do) but his entries are symphonie.
Thanks Ohammond, it gets tiering answering silly questions after a while doesn't it!!
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