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  • #10,921
  • Apr 11, 2012 3:10pm Apr 11, 2012 3:10pm
my sentiment value is 12

i'm start feel crazy!

why my sentim in matrixadvanced is wrong (i want old sentim)


Quoting ohammond
What setting do you have under inputs in your sentiment indicator? I've looked at mine and its exactly the same as the sentiment, there is obviously something wrong with the setting somewhere.
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  • #10,922
  • Apr 11, 2012 3:19pm Apr 11, 2012 3:19pm
Quoting mike2k
my sentiment value is 12

i'm start feel crazy!
why my sentim in matrixadvanced is wrong (i want old sentim)
I edited my post at about the same time as you posted look at my post again and put the indicator I have attached to it in your indicators folder instead.
  • #10,923
  • Apr 11, 2012 3:19pm Apr 11, 2012 3:19pm
Traders looking for corner indik it is build in matrix advantage version..
"I have also noticed that u have an Indicator in the top left corner which looks like is showing u what is happening on the 1hr TF"

Quoting dakuki
Hello tehnobyte

I support this request too

''Thanks Tehnobyte.
please share also a template with all settings u r using.
I have also noticed that u have an Indicator in the top left corner which looks like is showing u what is happening on the 1hr TF. Share this indicator version as well.
Thank''

Dan
  • #10,924
  • Apr 11, 2012 3:36pm Apr 11, 2012 3:36pm
Quoting ohammond
Its called signal filter, I've attached it to this post. The idea is, you don't take the signal all the while the red is showing. I tried it and found I missed loads of trades so didn't use it, in fact the GU signal showing on technobytes last post wouldn't have been taken because the line is red at that point, although you can take it when the line turns blue again but you would be later in the trade. I found if you take pivots into account, there are not enough false signals to filter.
Thanks Ohammond. Guess I won't be using it since you have already tested it out. Thanks again.
  • #10,925
  • Apr 11, 2012 4:51pm Apr 11, 2012 4:51pm
Something seems to be wrong with the fib, EU signalled a short and the fib is the wrong way round, the targets are for longs.
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  • #10,926
  • Apr 11, 2012 5:26pm Apr 11, 2012 5:26pm
There is also a problem with giving the signals when the trendline changes colour as it did just now in the above post. Sometimes the trendline in the matrix changes 2 bars at the same time (it happens in all the matrices) so in the case of the signal above it signalled on the open of the 2nd bar even though the previous one wasn't red until the 2nd one opened. Then when the second one turns blue again, it of course changes the previous bar as well and looks like the signal shouldn't have been there in the first place (see pic), thats why I have the no repaint trendline on my chart as well so I can be sure I know what colour the trendline was when it closed, then it doesn't repaint. That could cause some problems with the signals.
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  • #10,927
  • Apr 11, 2012 6:35pm Apr 11, 2012 6:35pm
hi RJ,

read your post a few pages back re. this long term UJ trade you are in and about adding to the position as you go along.

what timeframe/s do you take your triggers/entries from for this purpose?
do u follow symphonie for these entries too?

thanks.
  • #10,928
  • Apr 11, 2012 6:58pm Apr 11, 2012 6:58pm
Quoting pgd
hi RJ,

read your post a few pages back re. this long term UJ trade you are in and about adding to the position as you go along.

what timeframe/s do you take your triggers/entries from for this purpose?
do u follow symphonie for these entries too?

thanks.
Generally I am watching the M15 for the actual entry, and the entry is based on the pivots. For instance, I'm looking to add a position for the 81 price but before I pull the trigger I would like the PA to be above the pivot, and above any previous S/R level, including pertinent fibs. Then I wait for a retrace to a S/R level and enter. The SL is quite generous, and it can afford to be because there are already 3 trades in profit on this pair so a decent Sl is ok. Once the price gets to +30 I move SL to BE and then leave it alone until the next level arrives.

I don't use Symphonie for this, but there's no reason not to....in fact in would work quite well but even though I use M15 for the entry, you have to look at a much bigger picture to see the area's where the price has struggled in the past. The area we are currently in has always been a problem for this pair so I may need to tighten up the entry and sl until we are clear of 81 again.

As long as we remember to never scale in a new trade until the previous trade has it's entry protected, we should be fine and any losses will be acceptable.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #10,929
  • Apr 11, 2012 7:32pm Apr 11, 2012 7:32pm
Quoting realjumper
Generally I am watching the M15 for the actual entry, and the entry is based on the pivots. For instance, I'm looking to add a position for the 81 price but before I pull the trigger I would like the PA to be above the pivot, and above any previous S/R level, including pertinent fibs. Then I wait for a retrace to a S/R level and enter. The SL is quite generous, and it can afford to be because there are already 3 trades in profit on this pair so a decent Sl is ok. Once the price gets to +30 I move SL to BE and then leave it alone until the next...
Thanks.
  • #10,930
  • Apr 12, 2012 1:43am Apr 12, 2012 1:43am
Quoting realjumper
Lately I have had some requests to explain the way I trade Symphonie, and I have promised to cobble together a document to outline what I do. This method has stood me in good stead for many months now and as most people here will know, I am not above going down to the M1 charts to eek out pips when the PA won't behave. The method I have explained in the PDF inside the attached zip file can be successfully applied to any time frame....although I have only tested at length up to the M15 charts.

This method may be added to in the future as Ohammond...
Hello,

Do you use SMA5 or EMA5? Beacuse in PDF you talked about SMA and in new symphonie matrix v3.0 (realjumper variant) there is EMA.
And second question. In PDF you said "I must see the candles above the Yellow SMA
for longs, or below the Yellow SMA for shorts". So, how many candles should be above / below the MA? Maybe only the last "signal" candle?

Thank you.
  • #10,931
  • Apr 12, 2012 2:22am Apr 12, 2012 2:22am
Quoting pauga
Hello,

Do you use SMA5 or EMA5? Beacuse in PDF you talked about SMA and in new symphonie matrix v3.0 (realjumper variant) there is EMA.
And second question. In PDF you said "I must see the candles above the Yellow SMA
for longs, or below the Yellow SMA for shorts". So, how many candles should be above / below the MA? Maybe only the last "signal" candle?

Thank you.
I did make a typo in the PDF, however if you load the template will see the Yellow EMA and you can easily check all the settings, including the moving average for yourself.

Regarding the candles above or below the Yellow EMA......the charts are pretty clear and so is the text where I describe the trades and it says "Candle has opened clear and under the SMA".

I have posted the EMA settings here MANY times......and I have made mention of my requirement to see a candle open CLEAR under (or above as the case may be) the Yellow MA many times as well.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #10,932
  • Apr 12, 2012 2:31am Apr 12, 2012 2:31am
Quoting ohammond
There is also a problem with giving the signals when the trendline changes colour as it did just now in the above post. Sometimes the trendline in the matrix changes 2 bars at the same time (it happens in all the matrices) so in the case of the signal above it signalled on the open of the 2nd bar even though the previous one wasn't red until the 2nd one opened. Then when the second one turns blue again, it of course changes the previous bar as well and looks like the signal shouldn't have been there in the first place (see pic), thats why I have...
I have noted also target sometimes will project in wrong direction so i will find solution for that. Regards of signal on trendline repaint 2 bars back like you have described, in that moment everything was lined up. We have closed candle and all 4 indicator in same direction also is with current candle all 4 in same direction so this is regular signal and we can not predict what will be after signal is generated, so signal is valid. Ok test it more and post your suggestion!
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  • #10,933
  • Apr 12, 2012 2:40am Apr 12, 2012 2:40am
Quoting realjumper
I did make a typo in the PDF, however if you load the template will see the Yellow EMA and you can easily check all the settings, including the moving average for yourself.

Regarding the candles above or below the Yellow EMA......the charts are pretty clear and so is the text where I describe the trades and it says "Candle has opened clear and under the SMA".

I have posted the EMA settings here MANY times......and I have made mention of my requirement to see a candle open CLEAR under (or above as the case may be) the Yellow MA many times as...
Thank you! Now I understand
  • #10,934
  • Apr 12, 2012 2:51am Apr 12, 2012 2:51am
Reentry Euro with TVI

http://screencast.com/t/nNk6BfL3
Pivot Boss in the making~
  • #10,935
  • Apr 12, 2012 2:58am Apr 12, 2012 2:58am
Quoting jurn_e
Reentry Euro with TVI

http://screencast.com/t/nNk6BfL3
Nice re-entry
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #10,936
  • Apr 12, 2012 3:30am Apr 12, 2012 3:30am
Not quite a Symphonie entry but I've re-entered on the 50% Fib level of the retracement . I thought it would be low risk entry point seeing as the 1Hr chart has turned as well.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #10,937
  • Apr 12, 2012 3:30am Apr 12, 2012 3:30am
Quoting tehnobyte
I have noted also target sometimes will project in wrong direction so i will find solution for that. Regards of signal on trendline repaint 2 bars back like you have described, in that moment everything was lined up. We have closed candle and all 4 indicator in same direction also is with current candle all 4 in same direction so this is regular signal and we can not predict what will be after signal is generated, so signal is valid. Ok test it more and post your suggestion!
Hi tehnobyte,

I have tested your Symphonie Advanced version since yesterday and must say it is of great value for me. Target 1 aims are very often valid, PA touches them or comes very close. Of course I look at it only as a valid suggestion for my trading, other things like trendlines are also worthy for me.

Thanks again technobyte - !!!
  • #10,938
  • Apr 12, 2012 3:35am Apr 12, 2012 3:35am
Quoting tehnobyte
I have noted also target sometimes will project in wrong direction so i will find solution for that. Regards of signal on trendline repaint 2 bars back like you have described, in that moment everything was lined up. We have closed candle and all 4 indicator in same direction also is with current candle all 4 in same direction so this is regular signal and we can not predict what will be after signal is generated, so signal is valid. Ok test it more and post your suggestion!
Thanks for the indicator, but I won't be testing it any more as I prefer to take my own signals with the matrix for the reason with the trendline, because if you look at the trendline itself, then the matrix (all of them) its very often the 3rd square that we would have gone in on, not always but very often.

Because I've done extensive back testing and forward testing, I never go in until the trendline itself has closed that colour, if thats the second or third square in the matrix I don't mind, just as long as its closed. Anything else I haven't tested so I wouldn't trade it.

I don't take much notice of the sentiment and emotion because I know they will probably fall into line because they repaint a lot of bars at times, so the TVI and the trendline are the only things I've taken notice of in backtesting and live trading.

Well done with it though, and I'm sure lots of people will be testing it, hopefully they will give you some good suggestions.
  • #10,939
  • Apr 12, 2012 3:42am Apr 12, 2012 3:42am
Thank you to RealJumper. I'm using his template and it is great! Also, thanks to Eval, of course!
  • #10,940
  • Apr 12, 2012 4:07am Apr 12, 2012 4:07am
Quoting jurn_e
Reentry Euro with TVI

http://screencast.com/t/nNk6BfL3
strange i didn't get this blue blocks for a re-entry.
i am using 12,12,5 as parameters for the extreme indicator. what are you using?
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