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  • #10,341
  • Mar 31, 2012 7:48am Mar 31, 2012 7:48am
Quoting ohammond
Bollinger bands repaint because they stretch when the price reaches what you think is the outer band and then goes through it, it will repaint its outer band to accomodate it to a certain extent.
ok. i'll tested and analysed everything about BB's. Bollinger Band is the middle Line (SMA) and the outer Lines are Standard Deviation.
But not see that they repaint (=changed past values every new candles).

Maybe we have different definitions for the word 'repaint'
  • #10,342
  • Mar 31, 2012 7:51am Mar 31, 2012 7:51am
Quoting MagicMike
Ok I see. Yes I think I like the original sentiment better as well. Thank you so much.
i agree too. the new sentiment did repaint lesser, but the signals appears later.
  • #10,343
  • Mar 31, 2012 8:05am Mar 31, 2012 8:05am
Quoting migmac
maudur

thank you for this indicator

is it possible to see the full history of the Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_TVI_1.0. and not only the last bars?
Yes, place on the same chart 2 versions of the indicator, one with Timeframe = 0 and another with Timeframe = 60. But it makes little sense.

To make sense, would need 12 H1 bars equals, which corresponds to 1 hour (5 minutes x 12 = 60 minutes). But I haven't this indicator.
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  • #10,344
  • Mar 31, 2012 8:13am Mar 31, 2012 8:13am
Quoting maudur
Yes, place on the same chart 2 versions of the indicator, one with Timeframe = 0 and another with Timeframe = 60. But it makes little sense.

To make sense, would need 12 H1 bars equals, which corresponds to 1 hour (5 minutes x 12 = 60 minutes). But I haven't this indicator.
Maudur,

it didint work, I have attach a screenshot, what I mean is to have all the bars from the begining, I think it makes sense so we can see the history of the indicator
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  • #10,345
  • Mar 31, 2012 8:13am Mar 31, 2012 8:13am
Quoting maudur
Hi all,

I attached a version of Symphonie Indicator Matrix that Yelena, Olivia, RJ, etc.. are using. It's similar to the Matrix 3.0.1 but using the old version of Symphonie Sentiment Indicator (With alerts and alerts by mail). Thus, we can compare the two (Matrix 3.0 vs Matrix TVI) and see which is better, if the Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_v3.0.1 or Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_TVI_1.0.

I also attached a version for the TVI Extra Signal similar to Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_ESv3.0, in order to setup 60-5 strategy in only one screen.

Please remember...

oh la la. although we never asked, you still helped! i cant thank you enough. we'll run this week and keep you posted. Much appreciated!
  • #10,346
  • Mar 31, 2012 8:23am Mar 31, 2012 8:23am
Quoting migmac
Maudur,

it didint work, I have attach a screenshot, what I mean is to have all the bars from the begining, I think it makes sense so we can see the history of the indicator
Migmac,

I was referring to the indicator Symphonie_Matrix_TVI_v1.0.

In the same chart you make have one indicator with TimeFrame = 0 and another with TimeFrame = 60.
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  • #10,347
  • Mar 31, 2012 8:24am Mar 31, 2012 8:24am
Quoting yelena
oh la la. although we never asked, you still helped! i cant thank you enough. we'll run this week and keep you posted. Much appreciated!
Muchas gracias a ti Yelena.
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  • #10,348
  • Edited 12:07pm Mar 31, 2012 10:23am | Edited 12:07pm
Quoting GryffnScalp
Whats so difficult about admitting that the differences are considerable and NOT NECESSARILY FAVORABLE when you compare on any similar time frame Symphonie Trader basic v2 against Symphonie basic V3...
btw RJ, my original post was not addressed to you as I am looking for a qualified, analytical and somewhat more sophisticated response...

rj is more than qualified to answer. but what he tried to say is that its okay to question, but question the right way. at least do your part. back test since we cant yet forward test til the market re-opens. much toil has been done. the least you could do is exercise those fingers a bit.

and there is one thing that this TVI and V3 matrices have done (thanks pbb, rj and maryjane): re-entries that the old "extreme" indi could not do.

please see picture.the blue arrows were the entries made by TVI matrix (using old sentiment) and the vertical lines were the signals made by matrix V3 (using new sentiment)

in H1, using the TVI matrix the sell signal was at the close of the 10:00 candle, which is 11:00. whereas the matrix V3 sold at the close of 11:00 which is 12:00.

in M5, TVi sold at the close of the 12:10 bar, while v3 at the close of the 12:15 bar. but both made the re-entry signals at the close of the 13:20 and 13:55 bars. (60-5 method found in post #8647)

to olivia's point, i choose the old sentiment too (TVI matrix)

give both a try simultaneously and see what fits your style better. hope this helps.
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  • #10,349
  • Mar 31, 2012 11:40am Mar 31, 2012 11:40am
I offer my humblest apologies if I have hurt anybodies feelings with any of my posts. I am indebted to Evaluator, Real Jumper and the really great coders who have put endless hours and effort into trying to take the best price action system up onto the next level...
It was never my intention to try and 1 up anybody and I am sorry to have fallen just about flat on my face in my first 3 posts ever!
Sorry one and all..

However, certainly I have issues with matrix v setup...

Nevertheless...

Evaluators system shows the direction (which by the way, Let alone M1 scalpers, is the eternal question facing all naked traders)
Have a look at M5 - M1
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  • #10,350
  • Mar 31, 2012 11:53am Mar 31, 2012 11:53am
In M1 we going up but the magic actually is we can get a confirmation (or not) from Eval's very clever system
  • #10,351
  • Mar 31, 2012 11:53am Mar 31, 2012 11:53am
I too like matrix with old sentiment code ,the new one is lagging
Quoting yelena
rj is more than qualified to answer. but what he tried to say is that its okay to question, but question the right way. at least do your part. back test since we cant yet forward test til the market re-opens. much toil has been done. the least you could do is exercise those fingers a bit.

and there is one thing that this TVI and V3 matrices have done (thanks pbb, rj and maryjane): re-entries that the old "extreme" indi could not do.

please see picture.the blue arrows were the entries made by TVI matrix (using old sentiment)...
  • #10,352
  • Mar 31, 2012 11:58am Mar 31, 2012 11:58am
Quoting GryffnScalp
Evaluators system shows the direction (which by the way, Let alone M1 scalpers, is the eternal question facing all naked traders)
Have a look at M5 - M1
technically, you can apply the 60-5 into a 5-1 or 240-60.. whatever fits you.

60-5 (#8647 ) is just a launch pad for those who are new to the system would like to execute it and be kept from whipsaws.

60-5 will give you up to 2-3 signals per day. using the re-entry signals of TVI/matrix v3, 4-6 signals in a day per currency pair.

your entries will be flawless with this system. but your exits will determine your success. if you cant exit the entries with a profit and close the day in green, then your entries are as bad as anyone else's. successful exits are both stoploss and profit taking.
  • #10,353
  • Mar 31, 2012 3:05pm Mar 31, 2012 3:05pm
Quoting maudur
Hi all,

I attached a version of Symphonie Indicator Matrix that Yelena, Olivia, RJ, etc.. are using. It's similar to the Matrix 3.0.1 but using the old version of Symphonie Sentiment Indicator (With alerts and alerts by mail). Thus, we can compare the two (Matrix 3.0 vs Matrix TVI) and see which is better, if the Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_v3.0.1 or Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_TVI_1.0.

I also attached a version for the TVI Extra Signal similar to Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_ESv3.0, in order to setup 60-5 strategy in only one screen.

Please...
I'd really like to give you a voucher but apparently I cant until I have 4 vouchers of my own!!
  • #10,354
  • Mar 31, 2012 3:56pm Mar 31, 2012 3:56pm
Quoting Daytrader74
I'd really like to give you a voucher but apparently I cant until I have 4 vouchers of my own!!
I know. Thank you very much Daytrader.
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  • #10,355
  • Mar 31, 2012 10:09pm Mar 31, 2012 10:09pm
Ok, about the tvi, just how I use and see it. This won't say that I am right, it's just what works for me.

Maybe I misunderstood the discussion that started when evaluator introduced the modified system/indicators, but just two things in advance:
* the tvi itself doesn't repaint, if so it has a bug in it's coding.
* the tvi might be lagging, but no more or less than anything else. When looking back at an existing chart, the tvi signal pops up later than other indicators in the matrix. This is because the other indicators repaint a bit of the past and that makes them look smoother in the present, which is obvious not the reality in live mode. With tvi you just see what happend at that moment in time.

This doesn't say that I am against or pro whatever, but just to clean up the misunderstanding about looking better or not. Yeah the original looks better and may even work better, but in the end you can look up the horse in it's a... It's not about how it looks in the past, it's how you can deal with it in live trading. Use what fits you and stick with that, unless something great shows up. It's not worth going back and forth changing indicators/templates/layouts.

How I use it:

First, the settings shown here are the original as coded by MJ, those settings are not fixed in my opinion. Feel free to play with it, open a chart with tvihist and see how it reacts on different settings.

It's a momentum thing, in my view it shows the following: in a fixed number of transactions it measures the number of transactions initiated by buyers or sellers. Ok, in 100 transactions the number of buyers and sellers are equal, the difference is who initiated the trade. Did you hit my bid or did I take your ask/offer? Whe can still go up while more and more sellers are hitting the bid and so still go up while the indicator is already starting to turn. This is what you can see in a long, not so steep, trend up or down.

Whenever you're in a trade/trend up/down on the 60min chart like yelena's 60-5 method. You can use tvi to re-enter on the 5min. You can also use the tvi on the longer TF to enter longs/ shorts using symphonie(whichever variation you use) on the shorter TF for how long the tvi trend stays on the longer TF. !! It's up to you what settings to use !!

Please be awere that my trading doesn't just depend on tvi or symphonie. I like this thread, because it's serious and people are helping eachother without pissing eachother of. The ones that "lead" the thread are clearly no fools at all, trying to proof something. I think this is the only thread where it's said at the start: all indicators repaint, but that doesn't matter as long as things line up. Do you know how many people run when they see the word repaint? This thread has made clear that it doesn't really matter, as long as you keep your method and by consistantly playing it by the rules (good mm prefered!).

Cheers!
  • #10,356
  • Edited 10:50pm Mar 31, 2012 10:39pm | Edited 10:50pm
Quoting maudur
I know. Thank you very much Daytrader.
Maudur

I'd give you a vouch as well if i could. I like the v3 as well. When the market opens try Sentiment at about 3 on v3 instead of 12 you may get a similar result with no repaint. I haven't tried ESv3.0 yet however while the idea appeals it might be better with a couple of bars instead of one which will help to give a bit of fair warning.

Thanks for your effort Cheers
  • #10,357
  • Apr 1, 2012 1:43am Apr 1, 2012 1:43am
Quoting maudur
Hi all,

I attached a version of Symphonie Indicator Matrix that Yelena, Olivia, RJ, etc.. are using. It's similar to the Matrix 3.0.1 but using the old version of Symphonie Sentiment Indicator (With alerts and alerts by mail). Thus, we can compare the two (Matrix 3.0 vs Matrix TVI) and see which is better, if the Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_v3.0.1 or Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_TVI_1.0.

I also attached a version for the TVI Extra Signal similar to Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_ESv3.0, in order to setup 60-5 strategy in only one screen.

Please remember...

Thanks for your hard work with those indis.

About the V, normally I dont like when people ask for that. Normally it comes by itself. But this time I say ok and I gave you the V.
Hope you contiunue your hard work here to help us.

Peter
  • #10,358
  • Apr 1, 2012 2:11am Apr 1, 2012 2:11am
Quoting fratelli
Thanks for your hard work with those indis.

About the V, normally I dont like when people ask for that. Normally it comes by itself. But this time I say ok and I gave you the V.
Hope you contiunue your hard work here to help us.

Peter
I landed here by coincidence but I can't help, have to say that asking for / trading in V's is a thing that NEVER SHOULD BE DONE.
Sorry for this critic but these actions undermine the value of the V's. And they are already way too much undermined.

But, good trading to all of you!
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  • #10,359
  • Apr 1, 2012 6:30am Apr 1, 2012 6:30am
Hello Maudur!

Would it be possible to just have the first line of the MATRIX TVI as a single histogram please? I would really appreciate that!

Thank you for all your great work!
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  • #10,360
  • Apr 1, 2012 10:03am Apr 1, 2012 10:03am
Quoting maudur
Hi all,

I attached a version of Symphonie Indicator Matrix that Yelena, Olivia, RJ, etc.. are using. It's similar to the Matrix 3.0.1 but using the old version of Symphonie Sentiment Indicator (With alerts and alerts by mail). Thus, we can compare the two (Matrix 3.0 vs Matrix TVI) and see which is better, if the Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_v3.0.1 or Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_TVI_1.0.

I also attached a version for the TVI Extra Signal similar to Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_ESv3.0, in order to setup 60-5 strategy in only one screen.

Please remember...
Excellent work maudur! I'm looking forward to trying these out tomorrow!
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