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  • #8,801
  • Mar 14, 2012 5:16pm Mar 14, 2012 5:16pm
Quoting forexnubie
Hi,

Here is the chart of eurjpy on 15 min. The schotastics is down, all indicators are sell and the PA is below the sma.

The arrow has not appeared it.

Just like to know if it is advised that we wait for the arrow, or place the trade now before the arrow signal?

And also is it important to test the 1hour also, for the same type of signals?

thanks
Once again, your trading against the trend. Re read the document and see the pictures......especially the final picture.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #8,802
  • Mar 14, 2012 5:20pm Mar 14, 2012 5:20pm
Quoting charvo
who can show profitable records on this system?
You can, if you learn the system and stick to the rules
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #8,803
  • Mar 14, 2012 5:25pm Mar 14, 2012 5:25pm
Hi,

Thank you so much for your reply. I really appreciate the explaination. I should have gone with the trend. My mistake. Just a clarifcation on that though, when you trade 15 min you take 1 hour trend to consideration or the daily trend?

When you trade 1 hour trend and if the 4 hour trend is in conflict, but if the daily trend is in line with the 1 hour, we still take the trade, right?

You people are great in analysis and I appreciate a great forum with lot of logic.

Thank you Real Jumper for making it simple.
  • #8,804
  • Mar 14, 2012 5:34pm Mar 14, 2012 5:34pm
Quoting forexnubie
Just a clarifcation on that though, when you trade 15 min you take 1 hour trend to consideration or the daily trend?
I do look at the H1 chart from time to time to see the 'bigger picture', but I don't necessarily trade in the way of Yelena or Evals 60 - 5 method. I just look at the H1 to, as you say, consider the trend.

On your M15 chart I would simply draw a trend line or even more simply, look at the Yellow MA.....the MA is pointing down as would be a trendline is you drew one


Quoting forexnubie
When you trade 1 hour trend and if the 4 hour trend is in conflict, but if the daily trend is in line with the 1 hour, we still take the trade, right?
Well I don't really trade the H1, but if you look at any H1 chart you see at least a couple of days worth of candles on it. It's pretty easy to see the overall trend. Bear in mind that your SL's will be considerably larger on an H1 trade than on an M5 or M15 trade.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #8,805
  • Mar 14, 2012 6:45pm Mar 14, 2012 6:45pm
Hi RealJumper, thanks for the file you posted about your trading method, excellent! Just a question, I noticed a few of your posts on the extreme TMA thread some time back, just wondering have you tried that method? and what do you think of it as compared to the Symphonie method? Do you solely trade the Symphonie?

Any way I have tried the extreme tma method, but I'm leaning very much more towards this Symphonie method. With the TMA method the indicators seem to say SELL or BUY in the opposite direction, when price is strongly trending. No wonder some of them have to use the recovery method when price goes against them 100 pips. (But I must say, the system works profitably too, because I have tried it).

Also, just a suggestion, it would be great if you could include all the indicators needed for the matrix indicator to work, in your zip file, that way, if people like your charts, all they have to do is download your file, and off they go! When I first came across this system, I too, had a lot of trouble getting everything to work, and finding all the differest indicators. For example the spike indi didn't work, then something else wasn't set properly etc. I just persevered and re-read the first post numerous times, and eventually found all correct indicators to make it work, without asking any questions!

Any way, great thread, my favorite! Thanks all.

Timo
  • #8,806
  • Mar 14, 2012 7:06pm Mar 14, 2012 7:06pm
Quoting Timo7
Hi RealJumper, thanks for the file you posted about your trading method, excellent! Just a question, I noticed a few of your posts on the extreme TMA thread some time back, just wondering have you tried that method? and what do you think of it as compared to the Symphonie method? Do you solely trade the Symphonie?

Any way I have tried the extreme tma method, but I'm leaning very much more towards this Symphonie method. With the TMA method the indicators seem to say SELL or BUY in the opposite direction, when price is strongly trending. No...
Hello Timo,

Yes I have tried Alorente's TMA method, such as it was when he first posted it, but it is in a constant state of flux and I cannot keep up with it's ever changing nature. I'm looking into his system but it is not high on my list at the moment.

As for the recovery method, I don't like the idea at all.

Symphonie is by far the best system I have worked with and traded, and the system hasn't really changed from day one! Yes, I have tweaked it here and there, as have a few other traders, but the system is still basically the same as it ever was, and if you trade the original system, you will make money! So to answer your question, yes, I trade (live) the Symphonie system only.

I purposely didn't put all the indicators into the zip file because I want people who didn't read the first post, to actually go there and read it for themselves. If they do, they will not only find the indicators they need, they will also learn a lot.

As Yelena would say.....the hard work is done, all you have to do is walk the last mile

RJ
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  • #8,807
  • Mar 14, 2012 7:56pm Mar 14, 2012 7:56pm
I am trying to get just an audio alert for 15 min currently, with no other timeframe needed for a valid trade signal. I am trying to use Signaler v1.9 for this. I have turned off the alerts for Extreme 2.0 in the system. I have also set it as a 1 min just to see if I could get alerts nothing unless i manually refresh.

I am using the following but don't seem to be getting audio alerts.

Extrmem settings: 1,3,3, false, 1,12,21
Supertrend Indicator: 30
Emotion Indicator Indicator: 7, 50.6, 3000
Sentiment Indicator: 12

Signaler settings:

Candle close: false & ture (to see if there was a diff w alert)
Auto Refresh: true
Sound alerts: true

Do I have any settings incorrect for getting an audio alert?

It also seems that sometimes the v1.9 doesn't 'agree' with what I am seeing manually with the indicators placed in the other charts are showing .

Are you seeing the Auto refresh working correctly?

The settings for the individual indicators are the same as above in the other charts/timeframes?

What are people using for an audio alert for a valid trade.
  • #8,808
  • Mar 14, 2012 10:45pm Mar 14, 2012 10:45pm
Quoting realjumper
The short answer is no, I can't get mine to shut up either. If you find the solution, please let me know, and I will do the same.
Hi all.

I've included a new parameter in Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator _v1.6 for you to indicate whether or not you want to Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator show alerts.

In version 1.6.1 appears alertsExtreme parameter with default value 3, indicating that there will be no alerts from Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator.

For this new version works, I should correct a problem with alerts in Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator, if you select to see only sell alerts, appears both "Top Cycle Detected" and "Bottom Cycle Detected". (You can test it selecting the parameter alertsOption = 2).

Therefore, to operate the indicator Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator_v1.6.1, you must also install the corrected version Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator that only corrects the problem with the alerts.
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File Type: mq4 Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator _v1.6.1.mq4   12 KB | 615 downloads
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  • #8,809
  • Mar 14, 2012 10:51pm Mar 14, 2012 10:51pm
Quoting maudur
Hi all.

I've included a new parameter in Symphonie_Matrix_Indikator _v1.6 for you to indicate whether or not you want to Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator show alerts.

In version 1.6.1 appears alertsExtreme parameter with default value 3, indicating that there will be no alerts from Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator.

For this new version works, I should correct a problem with alerts in Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator, if you select to see only sell alerts, appears both "Top Cycle Detected" and "Bottom Cycle Detected". (You can test it...
That's excellent.....thank you

I will load it up and try it out.

Many thanks for your work
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #8,810
  • Mar 14, 2012 10:55pm Mar 14, 2012 10:55pm
Quoting realjumper
That's excellent.....thank you

I will load it up and try it out.

Many thanks for your work
gladly RJ.

The idea is to help each other.

Thank you very much to you for all your teachings.
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  • #8,811
  • Mar 14, 2012 11:57pm Mar 14, 2012 11:57pm
RJ,

Did I read somewhere that you try to get at least
10 pips per trade? Some times more, some times less.

So if a person could make 10 trades a session
(10 trades x 10 pips) = 100 pips per session.

You use your method for a tight range bound
market? Or in my case the New York market which
just doesn't have the large pip swings that the
London market has.

I'am thinking that your method might be perfect
for the N/Y session. And that I need to get really
good at learning how the stochastic moves?

Am I looking at this correctly?

Thanks once again for all your help!

snarlyjack
  • #8,812
  • Mar 15, 2012 12:28am Mar 15, 2012 12:28am
Quoting snarlyjack
RJ,

Did I read somewhere that you try to get at least
10 pips per trade? Some times more, some times less.

So if a person could make 10 trades a session
(10 trades x 10 pips) = 100 pips per session.

You use your method for a tight range bound
market? Or in my case the New York market which
just doesn't have the large pip swings that the
London market has.

I'am thinking that your method might be perfect
for the N/Y session. And that I need to get really
good at learning how the stochastic moves?

Am I looking at this correctly?

Thanks...
I don't know whether I ever said that I want to get 10 pips per trade or not.....I will take whatever I can get!!

For a tight range bound market I tend to go down to the M1 chart and use the same method and those trades range from 1 or 2 pips to 15 pips, perhaps more.

I don't know whether this would suit the NY market because I never trade that market!

There is an interesting PDF on the Stochastic Oscillator here but even that document doesn't tell the whole story. But do read it because it will help you, and you might understand why I say that if I was restricted to a single indicator, I would choose the stochastic ever time
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #8,813
  • Mar 15, 2012 12:30am Mar 15, 2012 12:30am
Quoting snarlyjack
RJ,

Did I read somewhere that you try to get at least
10 pips per trade? Some times more, some times less.

So if a person could make 10 trades a session
(10 trades x 10 pips) = 100 pips per session.

You use your method for a tight range bound
market? Or in my case the New York market which
just doesn't have the large pip swings that the
London market has.

I'am thinking that your method might be perfect
for the N/Y session. And that I need to get really
good at learning how the stochastic moves?

Am I looking at this correctly?

Thanks...
There is someone that posts on here occasionally (sorry can't remember his name) who trades just EUR on the 5min chart, he has a 20 pip stop and 10 pip tp, and goes in on the signal on the 3rd trendline dot being the right colour to match the rest, he trades from just before London up until London close I think he said. He loves it because grabbing 10 pips at a time suits him. I'm thinking that type of trading would suit NY if you multiply it by other currencies which I assume would probably work the same. If a trade goes wrong he doubles up on the next one because he said said that the chances of 3 trades going wrong in a row was 350/1. Of course you wouldn't have to double up if you thought it was too risky.
  • #8,814
  • Edited 1:00am Mar 15, 2012 12:48am | Edited 1:00am
@snarlyjack

wow, another one discovered it! you are correct sir! i havent fully mastered ranging markets but the idea is the same.

the 1st scenario is when the supertrendline and rj's arrow are showing the same direction in H1 (since one cannot really see the trend direction in M5 while the market is ranging). then take an M5 signal to that direction. you start with targeting 5 pips at a time. they will be winners.

the 2nd and absolutely perfect scenario that provides a flawless entry is when there's a slight reversal. say the H1 candles are all above the MA5 but the supertrendline and rj's arrow are showing the same bearish direction in H1, then you receive an M5. that drops like 20 pips in that 1 hour. just aim for 10 while you are testing. and vice versa.

then you look at 4 currencies... 100 pips on a sleeping market should be easy.... however, i am yet to do that ranging market scares me a lot. so i do that in demo. so far 678 positions and 88% winning in the last 4 weeks. and when i do the weekly revalida, i lose coz i didnt verify the set ups - hurriedly taking the M5 signal.

another 4 weeks and if the results are still the same, i will go live in a ranging market.

here.. a picture of yesterday's demo trade to illustrate 'scenario 2'... start with the yellow dashed line. was traveling yesterday so i couldnt trade live, but i try to get every opportunity to do demo. that's a total of 6 trades and 60 pips (never enter the same H1 bar twice), zero losing.
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  • #8,815
  • Mar 15, 2012 1:15am Mar 15, 2012 1:15am
Hi guys, just need to check on the settings for 1.9 Signaler, i hardly get signals out of it so am wondering if my settings are correct. I did set useStoxTrigger to false though, good or bad idea ?

i do have signaler on a few currency pairs but think i only got 1 signal on 1.9 since yesterday. But 1.7 signaler gives quite abit of signals just on 5m eurusd alone.

i'm running 1.9 as the 5-60 method on a 5min chart.

Thanks in advance.
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  • #8,816
  • Mar 15, 2012 1:20am Mar 15, 2012 1:20am
Quoting nitrate73
Hi guys, just need to check on the settings for 1.9 Signaler, i hardly get signals out of it so am wondering if my settings are correct. I did set useStoxTrigger to false though, good or bad idea ?

i do have signaler on a few currency pairs but think i only got 1 signal on 1.9 since yesterday. But 1.7 signaler gives quite abit of signals just on 5m eurusd alone.

i'm running 1.9 as the 5-60 method on a 5min chart.

Thanks in advance.
until u get used to it, use 1.7 matrix, then. but set it up on both M5 and H1. 1.9 should be set up in M5 using 'estraSignal TF' to 60. it will give you only 2-3 signals per day per currency. but they will be flawless

1.7 will be a good training ground, so the trader can learn how to filter bad signals.
  • #8,817
  • Mar 15, 2012 1:29am Mar 15, 2012 1:29am
Quoting yelena
until u get used to it, use 1.7 matrix, then. but set it up on both M5 and H1. 1.9 should be set up in M5 using 'estraSignal TF' to 60. it will give you only 2-3 signals per day per currency. but they will be flawless

1.7 will be a good training ground, so the trader can learn how to filter bad signals.
Hey Yelena, thanks for the advice, i'm actually running them all together 1.7 and 1.9 setup on 2 eurusd 5min charts, but when 1.7 starts giving signals and 1.9 doesn't i start pulling my hair .. lolz , btw, are my settings optimal on 1.9 ?
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  • #8,818
  • Edited 2:31am Mar 15, 2012 1:32am | Edited 2:31am
Speak of the devil , both signalers just fired off on eurusd .. lolz

Hmmm, i just switched my AU to 1H then back to 5m and i got signals from 1.9 , same with UJ , it was all quiet till i switched it to 1hr tf and then back to 5m and i got short signals. Lets see if i get more signals coming from these pairs later on .. mebbe it needs this tf switching from the start to fire it up .. weird.
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  • #8,819
  • Mar 15, 2012 2:47am Mar 15, 2012 2:47am
+10 in EU +10 in GU

Nothing complicated.
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  • #8,820
  • Mar 15, 2012 3:29am Mar 15, 2012 3:29am
Quoting yelena
the 2nd and absolutely perfect scenario that provides a flawless entry is when there's a slight reversal. say the H1 candles are all above the MA5 but the supertrendline and rj's arrow are showing the same bearish direction in H1, then you receive an M5. that drops like 20 pips in that 1 hour. just aim for 10 while you are testing.

(never enter the same H1 bar twice)
and just closed another 20 pips using this strat. hope it helps you too. this is still an M5 signal to the direction of H1 (supertrendline and rj's arrow are showing the same bearish bias)
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