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  • #8,341
  • Mar 10, 2012 12:56am Mar 10, 2012 12:56am
great thanks =)

also here's something I'd like to share since it's the weekend.. Maybe some might be interested in helping joing the fight and donate or do whatever they can.
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  • #8,342
  • Mar 10, 2012 1:34am Mar 10, 2012 1:34am
Quoting dakuki
I am quite sure that true millionaire traders got other things to do than posting results. They just get on with their job...anyways, a nice weekend to you all!
Once I'm a millionaire I will let you know
  • #8,343
  • Mar 10, 2012 2:11am Mar 10, 2012 2:11am
Quoting dakuki
Dear All,

Something I never understood is why traders must show off their results on forum? It is actually discouraging to many. Isn't the satisfaction of making money enough? Just a thought...
If someone posts a few results together with how those results are achieved (by attaching charts and showing why entered and exited), it will definitely help improve the system as it has an educational purpose and adds value to the thread. But after you make your point, I believe it is not necessary to post the results as it makes an already popular thread difficult to read especially for newcomers.

Although I totally agree with Eval's reasons re. why people post their results, it is also a fact that it is directly related to ego, recognition and excitement of newbies.

Just my opinion.

Regards,
Blackeagle
  • #8,344
  • Mar 10, 2012 3:28am Mar 10, 2012 3:28am
Quoting itsallover
.... and my results for this week are .... drum roll.... don't laugh ....


......


....... 100 pips

I'm a serial botcher and I've blown several accounts , albeit only little ones. I need to see my pips on here so that I can hold myself to account.

Thanx to everyone who makes this thread what it is - a great one!
You had a positive week and made money. No shame there. Probably better than 90% of forex traders this week.

The problem with posting pips (and sorry, I do keep nagging about this) is that it doesn't mean anything. Those 100 pips could represent ten winning trades where you had a 10 pip stop and risked 2% on each trade and targeted 10 pips take profit. Or the 100 pips could be one trade where you applied a 200 pip stop loss and risked 3%.

The former means you are up 20% this week, the latter means you are only up 1.5% for the week.

Please please please don't post: "closed my trade, +50 pips". Instead give some details: "closed my trade, +50, SL 30, risk 3%". Even better: "closed my trade, +50, SL 50, risk 2%. Tenth trade this week with those settings on EURUSD. 8 winners = +12%"

The fact is, we can all make 100 pips by doing nothing very clever: set a trade with a 5000 pip SL with 1% risk and wait a few days until it shows +100 pips. But we don't learn anything from that!

Thanks, and sorry for nagging again!

PB
  • #8,345
  • Mar 10, 2012 3:37am Mar 10, 2012 3:37am
Quoting yelena
GU on TP1 22 (it reached TP2)
AU on TP1 37
EU on TP1 41 (it reached TP2)
EJ floating loss of 36 (has ST and will carry thru d weekend. Goodluck to him, never even reached TP1 and still bullish on the supertrendline in H1. it must be sick or something.)

Weekly total 1276 (including floating loss)
i know i said i will not trade today, but, the opportunity was screaming at me, how can i say no, right?

sorry if im offending some folks. i just wanted to show that even a clueless noobslike me can trade using symphonie! try it yourself, you'll...
Hey Yelena - on some of your trade results you mention targeting TP1 and TP2, and other times you refer to holding a trade and letting it run until the trend line changes in the high time frame. Are you still testing both of these systems or do you choose one or the other depending on some other criteria, such as how price action is looking?

Also, when you say TP1 is that the ATR based target generated by signals 1.7 or is it the fib based target drawn from the previous swing high/low?

Thanks and have a good weekend,

PB
  • #8,346
  • Mar 10, 2012 3:51am Mar 10, 2012 3:51am
Quoting pixelboy
You had a positive week and made money. No shame there. Probably better than 90% of forex traders this week.

The problem with posting pips (and sorry, I do keep nagging about this) is that it doesn't mean anything. Those 100 pips could represent ten winning trades where you had a 10 pip stop and risked 2% on each trade and targeted 10 pips take profit. Or the 100 pips could be one trade where you applied a 200 pip stop loss and risked 3%.

The former means you are up 20% this week, the latter means you are only up 1.5% for the week.

Please...
Thankyou for your post pixelboy.

Evaluator has created a robust system here and also included MM which I feel
is a very personal issue. He has no issue with posters posting their trade results and has not asked for any format to be followed.

Personally, I want to continue to post my trades as an incentive to myself and to show newbies that the system works. I have never been profitable and feel this little exercise will hold me to account. This is how I intend to post my trades but others may do so differently.

Have a great weekend
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #8,347
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:01am Mar 10, 2012 4:01am
Quoting itsallover
Thankyou for your post pixelboy.

Evaluator has created a robust system here and also included MM which I feel
is a very personal issue. He has no issue with posters posting their trade results and has not asked for any format to be followed.

Personally, I want to continue to post my trades as an incentive to myself and to show newbies that the system works. I have never been profitable and feel this little exercise will hold me to account. This is how I intend to post my trades but others may do so differently.

Have a great weekend
Hi - sorry, I should have said that I wasn't criticising your post. I was just quoting it as an example. If it keeps you focused then definitely keep posting your results.

It would just be great if more people would add a little detail to their result posts. And I've not been good at doing it either...so this is an incentive to me to start!

PB
  • #8,348
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:01am Mar 10, 2012 4:01am
Quoting itsallover
Thankyou for your post pixelboy.

Evaluator has created a robust system here and also included MM which I feel
is a very personal issue. He has no issue with posters posting their trade results and has not asked for any format to be followed.

Personally, I want to continue to post my trades as an incentive to myself and to show newbies that the system works. I have never been profitable and feel this little exercise will hold me to account. This is how I intend to post my trades but others may do so differently.

Have a great weekend


I'd also like to add that once I'm consistently in profit I will start posting charts showing entries and exits that may help newbies.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #8,349
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:14am Mar 10, 2012 4:14am
Hi Symphonier
Anybody could tell me what is wrong with my SS1.9beta?
Thanks
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  • #8,350
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:15am Mar 10, 2012 4:15am
Quoting Blackeagle
Although I totally agree with Eval's reasons re. why people post their results, it is also a fact that it is directly related to ego, recognition and excitement of newbies.

Just my opinion.
I would agree with that as well I very rarely post just a pip count for the week, and I know realjumper doesn't post much about it either, but I do post the occasional chart to show entries and exits mainly to prove if people just take the signals (not using the signaller) that are given to them along with using a bit of common sense about pivots and divergence, they will make money over and over again. I don't post all of my trades, I don't have time, but I do show some losers as well as winners.
Quoting pixelboy
The former means you are up 20% this week, the latter means you are only up 1.5% for the week.
And does it matter which it is? A good trade by the rules, is a good trade, risk is a matter of personal taste. I have my normal account that I live off of and the risk is around 5% a trade, and when my target is reached for the week I go onto my "gambling" account where I risk around 20% a trade, if I posted the amount I risked from that one, it doesn't make it a better or worse trade than the one I took on the other account. My target is no longer a larger and larger amount of pips, my only target now is the day of the week I can get onto the gambling account Go onto wormboy's thread and you will see that he uses very little risk but he has consistently grown his account and lives off of it, withdrawing a wage, people think of him as a great trader for that reason, not how much risk he is taking.
  • #8,351
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:17am Mar 10, 2012 4:17am
Quoting santorini11
Hi Symphonier
Anybody could tell me what is wrong with my SS1.9beta?
Thanks
Looks fine to me. What's the problem? Is it not giving any signals?

PB
  • #8,352
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:27am Mar 10, 2012 4:27am
I think its great that we are having this discussion around posting one's trade results. Of course we are not all going to have the same view point but I would encourage everyone to post their weekly results.

Up until yelena posted her 500- 1300 pips per week I'd never imagined it possible.
I've always accepted that 20-50 pips a week is really good going so seeing such amazing results is very encouraging. For me, it raises the bar, and gives me something to strive for.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #8,353
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:31am Mar 10, 2012 4:31am
Quoting pixelboy
Looks fine to me. What's the problem? Is it not giving any signals?

PB
Hi Pixelboy
Thanks for quick reply. Supposed to be 5 thick dashes for each tf instead of one long dash in mine.
  • #8,354
  • Edited 3:34pm Mar 10, 2012 4:36am | Edited 3:34pm
@migmac, olivia and pixelboy

 Hybrid Entry:
 M5 signal same direction as H1 trend
 -1.9 does that for you. before taking an order in M5, visually confirm the column of H1 is in the same direction as the alert (if you dont want to look the H1 chart)

 Hybrid Exit:
 Short term
-fibo expansion in H1 (thank you pbb)
 #4224 fibo expansion settings
#4215 or babypips.com how to draw


 Long term (signal-to-signal; forward testing)
 -exit at the change of supertrendline 20,5 in H1, opposite the prevailing trend

you would like to understand how i draw the fibo. please give me 5 months more to complete testing since the execution is a little different than common knowledge. i show it with intention that it works. However, you may grab all the charts i have posted and draw your own conclusions. the manner of drawing is consistent, anyway.


to be honest, i would rather direct you to pivots and s&r. i think they are far better & formidable targets. its just that i still dont understand how they are "respected." im looking for consistency in the behavior and yet to prove that to myself.


 Yesterday’s trades:

 1.9 has only "20" not "20,5" like the supertrendline_nrp. therefore 1.9 reacts faster than the STL that you see - maybe

EU sell 1.3233 estimated 8:15 GMT+2 M5 signal; closed at 1.3192 TP1
3 other signals came after that
EU 1.3155 TP2

GU sell 1.57792 estimated 11 GMT+2 M5 signal; closed a 1.5770 TP1
3 other signals came after that
GU 1.5741 TP2

AU sell 1.0628 estimated 11:10 GMT+2 M5 signal; closed at 1.0591 TP1
 2 signals came after that
AU 1.0557 TP2 (3 pips shy of yesterday's low)

i only target TP1 liquidate all. unless price action and momentum is undeniably strong and sustainable, shall i target TP2. besides, TP1 is enough to fill my daily target of 100 pip.

please dont ask me how i measure momentum. coz il just tell you, i trade with what i see.... lol .. when 1 one of the leading currencies hit its TP2. the next strongest one does too.

i never look at M5 coz it makes me puke coz i watch 4-5 currencies in the same direction. when one of them is sick and going another way, i close that currency. coz the sickly one will distract my ability to visually assess momentum.

@dan fair enough. although my intention was to show that a dumb ass like me can execute symphonie flawlessly, i will remove everything that i can remove regarding pippage and wont post them anymore. sorry if i have offended you - true blue newbie, doesnt even have etiquettes yet.
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  • #8,355
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:37am Mar 10, 2012 4:37am
Quoting santorini11
Hi Pixelboy
Thanks for quick reply. Supposed to be 5 thick dashes for each tf instead of one long dash in mine.
Right, I see what you mean. It does seem to be showing the correct signals, it's just not putting a space between each of the signal bars. If that's a problem for you, you may want to try deleting the indicator files from your MT4 folder, download fresh versions and re-install them.

Also, check if your MT4 program is the latest build.

To be honest though, it may not be worth the effort, just to get a little space between the bars. Better to spend your time trading :-)

PB
  • #8,356
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:40am Mar 10, 2012 4:40am
Quoting santorini11
Hi Pixelboy
Thanks for quick reply. Supposed to be 5 thick dashes for each tf instead of one long dash in mine.
For some reason, no idea why, it seems to be squashed into the right hand side of the chart, because your labels are out of line as well, but as pixelboy has said, its purely cosmetic and won't affect the signals you get.
  • #8,357
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:44am Mar 10, 2012 4:44am
Quoting yelena
@migmac, olivia and pixelboy

 Hybrid Entry:
 M5 signal same direction as H1 trend
 -1.9 does that for you. before taking an order in M5, visually confirm the column of H1 is in the same direction as the alert (if you dont want to look the H1 chart)

 [font=Arial][size=2]Hybrid...
Hey! No offence taken Yelena! :-)

All I was saying is that providing the SL and % - in addition to the pip count - with each trade gives us a good picture of what's really going on with each trade posted.

Your efforts posting trades on here is massively appreciated. I'm learning a whole lot from your trading style, so don't ever think you are doing anything 'wrong'.

PB
  • #8,358
  • Mar 10, 2012 4:49am Mar 10, 2012 4:49am
Hi Pixelboy, ohammond!
My MT4s are 409build and I've tried several. but the same.
Anyway I spent enough time for this as you say. so try to forget about it and keep reading few more posts tonight.
Thanks a lot.
  • #8,359
  • Mar 10, 2012 5:00am Mar 10, 2012 5:00am
Quoting yelena
@migmac, olivia and pixelboy

 Hybrid Entry:
 M5 signal same direction as H1 trend
 -1.9 does that for you. before taking an order in M5, visually confirm the column of H1 is in the same direction as the alert (if you dont want to look the H1 chart)

 [font=Arial][size=2]Hybrid...
How odd, in your images your stl is showing much later than mine does (I have always had it on the 1hr chart) mine stl is also set at 20,5. Images to show what I mean:
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  • #8,360
  • Mar 10, 2012 5:13am Mar 10, 2012 5:13am
Quoting ohammond
How odd, in your images your stl is showing much later than mine does (I have always had it on the 1hr chart) mine stl is also set at 20,5. Images to show what I mean:
can u attach the supertrendline version u used - the standalone? i find it odd myself, that's why i just rely on 1.9's signals.

i may have the correct STL that 1.9 uses.as u can see, 1.9 managed to produce sell signals on those "blue" bars.
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