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  • #31,681
  • Mar 7, 2012 6:15am Mar 7, 2012 6:15am
Quoting scuderia
TAH. What is your reasons of keep on breaking the rule about london market? I just wanna learn here not complain. So i can make pips just like you do. thx.
The rules are just rules for trading "pure SonicR", but everyone is different and may want to do things outside of the box. We are all free to trade any way we desire, but the principal talk and postings here are on the pure SonicR.

We all gain from everyone else's experiences.

  • #31,682
  • Mar 7, 2012 6:40am Mar 7, 2012 6:40am
Quoting traderathome
Not yet released.
lol alright i meant i use my own values on Ma s nyway it ok.
MMMYYYKKK
  • #31,683
  • Mar 7, 2012 6:48am Mar 7, 2012 6:48am
Hi,

I need some help, the default sonic white templates, they don't show the lines of the entry orders SL and TP, I have already tried to change colors but I was still not able to fix it, did anyone had this issue before?

thank you
  • #31,684
  • Mar 7, 2012 6:57am Mar 7, 2012 6:57am
Quoting migmac
Hi,

I need some help, the default sonic white templates, they don't show the lines of the entry orders SL and TP, I have already tried to change colors but I was still not able to fix it, did anyone had this issue before?

thank you
Maybe you can try change the color using F8, it was happened to me before but I forgot how I fix it.
  • #31,685
  • Mar 7, 2012 7:07am Mar 7, 2012 7:07am
Quoting stjong
Maybe you can try change the color using F8, it was happened to me before but I forgot how I fix it.
I did tried that yes, if your remember what you did please let me know

thank you
  • #31,686
  • Mar 7, 2012 7:43am Mar 7, 2012 7:43am
This has never happened to me before.

I tried to login to ForexFactory, only to find the site was
temporarily down due activity caused by the US news release.

Must have been a doozy, but I didn't see anything drastic on
my charts.



UPDATE: seeing the reaction on the chart now - a big move up!
  • #31,687
  • Mar 7, 2012 7:58am Mar 7, 2012 7:58am
sorry, wrong post
FROM ZERO TO HERO
  • #31,688
  • Mar 7, 2012 8:50am Mar 7, 2012 8:50am
Hi,

EU, I was watching that and saw the setup but I have one question.

Rules, enter after leg or enter after close outside dragon.

Seems a bit of conflict in entry, I guess discretionary to a point but the longer leave it more likely to miss move.
I also see support looming just below entry.

As I write I see price has touched support and bounced so I guess it answers that Q, expect little, move SL asap to BE.

So its just the entry, close outside of dragon or below leg?

Thank you
PG
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  • #31,689
  • Mar 7, 2012 9:02am Mar 7, 2012 9:02am
Some1 pls post m15 EU..
I see big vol comin in..no advicable to short..

Sonic
  • #31,690
  • Mar 7, 2012 9:19am Mar 7, 2012 9:19am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Some1 pls post m15 EU..
I see big vol comin in..no advicable to short..

Sonic
here EU 15 chart master
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  • #31,691
  • Edited 8:58pm Mar 7, 2012 10:04am | Edited 8:58pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
Some1 pls post m15 EU..
I see big vol comin in..no advicable to short..

Sonic
You're right. No short. You can see how trading intensity increased at the FO/LO, as the BBs forced price down. And then again before the US open. And next, the US BBs did the same! Heavier and heavier trading as the BBs forced the price down. So, it does look like a "Torpedo and Grab" strategy today by the market. And the price has not been pushed down all that much. Surely, all this activity is going to be for more than a meager 50 pips, or so down. You bet!

Red line releases for EUR tomorrow are lined up and then the critical ones for USD on Friday. Down this morning, up thru tomorrow, and down on Friday?

We laugh, sure. But look what happened today. The EUR release sucked and the USD release was great! What did the market do? Dropped the price,...temporarily! Can you believe it? This is market strategy, not pricing reality! And now, the foregone conclusion,......up; the immediate creation of profits on all the longs grabbed up this morning.

But just remember, for months now the USD releases have been positive and getting better by the week. And all the while, the euro has been sucking hind tit (and getting awfully close to the asshole)! This run up is likely only to make the BBs some spending cash for the weekend. They'll close these longs and load up on shorts again, before Friday's USD releases. Then will come the really big show,.....down again......temporarily. (WARNING: Speculative.)
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  • #31,692
  • Mar 7, 2012 10:37am Mar 7, 2012 10:37am
Quote
. You can see how trading intensity increased at the FO/LO as the BBs forced price down. The BBs force the price lower. Surely, all this activity is going to be for more than a meager 50 pips, or so down. You bet!

Can someone explain this to me please.
If increase in volume is increase in activity, you could argue they are buying up but just as easily, they are selling down.

Never really understood how it works.

Volumes were high, lots of activity and sellers are still stronger as candle closes down, but plenty of buyers around too as no big drop.

But its anyone guess who out of those 2 will overcome... isn't it ?
At some point one of those 2 is right

So how do we tell from volume who it is? All volume is activity?

i.e buyer " wow, bought loads but price still hasn't gone up, I'll get out"
or seller "I sold but its not going down, I'll get out"

Any insight appreciated, all I saw was a sell with support line close by to watch out for. As it turns out price has gone up, why anyone buy Euro now I don't know, but I could not see a warning.

PG
  • #31,693
  • Edited 11:39am Mar 7, 2012 10:43am | Edited 11:39am
Quoting pgtips
Can someone explain this to me please.
If increase in volume is increase in activity, you could argue they are buying up but just as easily, they are selling down.

Never really understood how it works.

Volumes were high, lots of activity and sellers are still stronger as candle closes down, but plenty of buyers around too as no big drop.

But its anyone guess who out of those 2 will overcome... isn't it ?
At some point one of those 2 is right

So how do we tell from volume who it is? All volume is activity?

i.e buyer " wow, bought loads...
To help decipher how volume of trades is distributed within a single TF (as M15), drop down to M5 and M1 and look to see if most of the trading was at the higher or lower end of the M15 price range during that TF.

And, most importantly remember, for every buyer there is a seller. For every seller, there is a buyer. It is not that there are more of one than of the other. It is a matter of who is doing the manipulations, those wanting the price lower to get longs cheap or to close their shorts, or those wanting the price higher to get shorts cheap or close their longs? That is how the manipulators work to accumulate their positions and close them. It is as simple as that.

So, if the heaviest activity is at the lower prices, then it is either distribution of shorts and/or accumulation of longs,....buying motivated either way, and it spells the end of "down" can be near. If the heaviest activity is at the higher prices, then it is either the distribution of longs and/or the accumulation of shorts,....selling motivated either way, and it spells the end of "up" can be near.

Fortunately, we Sonikers are not trading on volume "clues". What we use the volume "clues" for is to help validate a future SonicR setup. If previously the volume was heaviest at lows, and we see a SonicR long setup forming, we might have more confidence in it. If previously the volume was heaviest at highs, and we see a SonicR short setup forming, we might have more confidence in it. With the Sonic R. System we can use volume after-the-fact, as a setup validator. We do not use it as a trigger to trade!
  • #31,694
  • Mar 7, 2012 10:50am Mar 7, 2012 10:50am
Quoting traderathome
You're right. No short. You can see how trading intensity increased at the FO/LO, as the BBs forced price down. And then again before the US open. And next, the US BBs did the same! Heavier and heavier trading as the BBs forced the price down. So, it does look like a "Torpedo and Grab" strategy today by the market. And the price has not been pushed down all that much. Surely, all this activity is going to be for more than a meager 50 pips, or so down. You bet!

Red line releases for EUR tomorrow are lined up and then the critical ones for...

Yes all the way to the bank

LoL gotta love those stories and the BB´s

Regards,
H.
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"The future is already written in the past"
  • #31,695
  • Mar 7, 2012 10:56am Mar 7, 2012 10:56am
Quoting forexisfine
here EU 15 chart master
Hello, do you have SL? I do not see it
  • #31,696
  • Mar 7, 2012 11:42am Mar 7, 2012 11:42am
thanks for volume insight, a few pips could have been made but risky.

Quote
But look what happened today. The EUR release sucked and the USD release was great! What did the market do? Dropped the price!
Top reason for adopting a price system.
  • #31,697
  • Mar 7, 2012 12:56pm Mar 7, 2012 12:56pm
Quoting hansma
Yes all the way to the bank

LoL gotta love those stories and the BB´s

Regards,
H.
Hi Hansma,

Hans, it is good you have a sense of humor (otherwise the market would drive us crazy), but I'm not understanding the point of your posted pic. I think you are depicting a non-SonicR trade with entry picked in the area of the lows today. And, you are illustrating some indicator that measures the breadth of the high to low swing, adding commented levels.

And......?

I mean, this is not Sonic R. It is a way to trade. And if you have a neat indicator you'd like to share, then please post the .mq4 file with comments on how to use it (presuming it has no "user notes" in the compile of the indicator). Otherwise, what benefit is this to Sonikers? If you have a method, one that is easily transferable to others, as is the Sonic R. System, then please delve into it. I mean, shouldn't you either share it so others can make a decision on it for themselves, or not even show it? Anyway, this is the spirit of the Sonic R. System thread.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to induce any Soniker to adopt something different and leave the Sonic R. System. However, everyone tries to "find themselves", which is to say to find a method that "fits" with them really well. Yours might be what will be better for some here that are possibly struggling. So, I say to you, you should consider presenting the method rather than just occassionally and belatedly posting what looks like a trade that used it.

tah
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  • #31,698
  • Mar 7, 2012 1:10pm Mar 7, 2012 1:10pm
Quoting babetko
Hello, do you have SL? I do not see it
yes, i had my SL. but it can't see because under the chart
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  • #31,699
  • Mar 7, 2012 1:19pm Mar 7, 2012 1:19pm
Quoting traderathome
EU:

Entered long (EP= 1.3145).
EU:

Trade update - still running. With the whipping down at FO/LO and with the USD high impact release coming later, when I had to leave earlier I did so without changing my mental SL to a hard one. And I cannot remember the last time I was stupid enough to have a hard SL ahead of a USD high impact release. Of course, I can remember lots of times I was stupid enough to be in a trade ahead of a USD high impact release.

Anyway, the first US BBs Torpedo and Grab missed my SL by fractions! But they kept on it and the following torpedo would have taken me out of my trade. But, the trade is still running and about where I entered it. And the prospects look even better now for a run up, maybe in conjunction with all the EUR red releases coming.

At this point my TPs are tentative. After today's activity, maybe at least one should be higher. I'll watch and see how things progress out of today's US session and into tomorrow's asian session.

The second pic. shows the volume/price story very clearly. The lower the price was pushed down, the more active the market became. This is generally a good sign PA might reverse. Follow-up for confirmation is necessary. And so far, the following PA is very bullish.
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  • #31,700
  • Mar 7, 2012 1:33pm Mar 7, 2012 1:33pm
[quote=hansma;5453214]
Quoting traderathome
Hi Hansma,

Hans, it is good you have a sense of humor (otherwise the market would drive us crazy), but I'm not understanding the point of your posted pic. I think you are depicting a non-SonicR trade with entry picked in the area of the lows today. And, you are illustrating some indicator that measures the breadth of the high to low swing, adding commented levels.

And......?

I mean, this is not Sonic R. It is a way to trade. And if you have a neat indicator you'd like to share, then please post the .mq4 file with...
"It (my method) does not derive from some neat indicator as you may hope..." - hansma

Hansma, my only hopes regarding indicators are that the indicators themselves are competant, open coded, as simple as possible to understand and use, and that they do not unduly detract from the all important PA. Just because I have devoted countless hours to the development and improvement of open coded indicators for the THV project and the Sonic R. System project, do not make the mistake of believing I place "hope" for my trading in the use of any indicator.

I am looking forward to your presentation of your method.

tah
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