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  • #7,541
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:00pm Mar 5, 2012 1:00pm
thanks.. just wondering why this trade ended up as a loss. it was during london and I got a signal on multiple tf's.. 1hr was all red as well as 5m.. and 1hr arrow was still down.
  • #7,542
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:26pm Mar 5, 2012 1:26pm
Hi all. I am new to the forum and I'm Spanish, I have a question for Yelena.

As you can see on the chart I have the configuration of the bars of record 1 million. This configuration directly affects the individual extrem, I could tell if they are as friendly as you have the configuration of the bars of history?

Thank you all.
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  • #7,543
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:44pm Mar 5, 2012 1:44pm
Quoting DiotusTR
Hi all. I am new to the forum and I'm Spanish, I have a question for Yelena.

As you can see on the chart I have the configuration of the bars of record 1 million. This configuration directly affects the individual extrem, I could tell if they are as friendly as you have the configuration of the bars of history?

Thank you all.

bienvenido!
6000 on history and 6000 on chart - para una respuesta más rápida (i hope that's correct translation )
  • #7,544
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:48pm Mar 5, 2012 1:48pm
Quoting pixelboy
I have only had two M5 signals on EURUSD today. The first was the short I took around 1.3164 which signalled at 9:15 GMT. With no stop loss, that would have been at -59 pips when the long signal came in about 15 minutes ago. That would be sitting around +10 pips as I write this.

I'm using the 1.7 signal indi. Are you referring to trades purely off the matrix?

PB
Yes off of the matrix. I've tried the signaller, but as I just look at the H1 full signal and the M5 full signal separately, I haven't got much use for the signaller.
  • #7,545
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:49pm Mar 5, 2012 1:49pm
Quoting Dyekid217
any reason why this trade failed?
3 other trades in kiwi and ucad closed at +6 each. and AU closed at +11
Look where the stochastic was when you took that trade....you need to pay attention to that because that is the very reason it's on the chart.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #7,546
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:58pm Mar 5, 2012 1:58pm
Realjumper did you take any trades on the Eurusd today.
  • #7,547
  • Mar 5, 2012 1:59pm Mar 5, 2012 1:59pm
Quoting FXSwissTrader
I can't get myself to pull the trigger on a EUR/USD long. Can't believe it's going up today after being down at 1.3160's. Still trading below pivot. If Greece defaults, those long stop losses will accelerate the drop. Just my OP.
That kind of thinking will trap you. When usd/jpy was at 78, thousands lost a lot of money going long because they "couldn't believe" that it would drop more. But it did. And the more it dropped, the more people climbed on board the long train. When it reached a record low, still more people climbed on board the long train......and it dropped more!

It doesn't matter what you and I believe, it only matters what we see. The fundamentals are interesting and should be noted, however, all you need to see is right in front of you on the charts.

If Greece does default, the PA might fall off a cliff.....but.....it might rise to the relief that finally the market knows the result. You see? It could go either way. Trade what you see on the charts only.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #7,548
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:00pm Mar 5, 2012 2:00pm
Quoting realjumper
Look where the stochastic was when you took that trade....you need to pay attention to that because that is the very reason it's on the chart.
And...about 2 bars later than it should have been taken, plus there was already a blue extreme before you took it.
  • #7,549
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:05pm Mar 5, 2012 2:05pm
Quoting ohammond
And...about 2 bars later than it should have been taken, plus there was already a blue extreme before you took it.
at the time of the trade it had closed in all red but they repainted a couple bars later. I wouldve cut my losses early if I was in it live but luckily im on demo for now.. but even demo wouldnt let me close haha.. so i just let it run

so would this EU long be a more valid setup? stoch isn't overbought yet and shi channel is up.. also 1hr arrow is trending up
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  • #7,550
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:06pm Mar 5, 2012 2:06pm
Quoting Jane_peters
Realjumper did you take any trades on the Eurusd today.
Just from 3175 to the pivot......I was experimenting with some other stuff for much of the time
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  • #7,551
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:07pm Mar 5, 2012 2:07pm
Quoting ohammond
And...about 2 bars later than it should have been taken, plus there was already a blue extreme before you took it.
Yep...that too
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  • #7,552
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:08pm Mar 5, 2012 2:08pm
Quoting Dyekid217
at the time of the trade it had closed in all red but they repainted a couple bars later. I wouldve cut my losses early if I was in it live but luckily im on demo for now.. but even demo wouldnt let me close haha.. so i just let it run

so would this EU long be a more valid setup? stoch isn't overbought yet and shi channel is up.. also 1hr arrow is trending up
Put the arrow on your chart
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #7,553
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:13pm Mar 5, 2012 2:13pm
even on 5m you use the arrow? I was only going to use it on the 1hr
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  • #7,554
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:14pm Mar 5, 2012 2:14pm
Quoting Dyekid217
even on 5m you use the arrow? I was only going to use it on the 1hr
Why? I use it on all TF's....even the M1
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #7,555
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:17pm Mar 5, 2012 2:17pm
Thanks Yelena!!
  • #7,556
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:17pm Mar 5, 2012 2:17pm
gotcha.. I never payed attention to where the stoch was... only if theres a cross I'm going to have to keep that in mind.

ie. coming up from 20 for buy and down from 80 for sell right?
  • #7,557
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:20pm Mar 5, 2012 2:20pm
Quoting realjumper
Yep...that too
This looks like a classic repaint to me. I'll bet he entered the trade as soon as the matrix changed colour. Although, like you said it may have been better to wait for the stochastic to rise. Then again, I've see the price drop 100 pips with the stochastic on the floor!

The fact is (and this isn't a criticism of this system, as it applies to almost all trend following systems) that when price ranges, Symphonie will often get you in a trade at almost exactly the point where price turns. In fact, on a day like today you could probably do very well by taking trades opposite to the signals.

Hmmm...that get's me thinking :-)

PB
  • #7,558
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:21pm Mar 5, 2012 2:21pm
Quoting Dyekid217
gotcha.. I never payed attention to where the stoch was... only if theres a cross I'm going to have to keep that in mind.

ie. coming up from 20 for buy and down from 80 for sell right?
The market is going to sleep now.....no point in trying to trade when the market isn't producing. We have to accept what the market is willing to gives us.....not try to force the market to give to us. The market can bite such behaviour very hard.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #7,559
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:24pm Mar 5, 2012 2:24pm
Quoting pixelboy
This looks like a classic repaint to me. I'll bet he entered the trade as soon as the matrix changed colour. Although, like you said it may have been better to wait for the stochastic to rise. Then again, I've see the price drop 100 pips with the stochastic on the floor!

The fact is (and this isn't a criticism of this system, as it applies to almost all trend following systems) that when price ranges, Symphonie will often get you in a trade at almost exactly the point where price turns. In fact, on a day like today you could probably do very well...
It's true that just because the stochastic is oversold or overbought does not guarantee that the price won't continue in that same direction, which is great if you are in a trade already. But it's foolish to take the chance and jump into a trade against the advice of the stochastic. What's the hurry?
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #7,560
  • Mar 5, 2012 2:27pm Mar 5, 2012 2:27pm
yeah I wasn't expecting too much but I guess the repaint play failed on me that time..

I'll be extra careful trading sundays next time.

edit; thanks rj for that advice.. see the same basics always seem to come bite me in the butt lol.. It's hard trading london and us though living on the east coast since it starts at 3 am..

I'm gonna need alot of coffee tonight
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