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  • #31,241
  • Feb 24, 2012 12:47am Feb 24, 2012 12:47am
Quoting artx
hmm, 1) dragon up 2) I'd like to see it on M15 3) they are still before morning coffee in London 4) I wish to see 1st leg at least crossing the dragon (but I think it's not the strict requirement, is it?)

thanks for comments
Art.
Excellent, Art!

The answer is no, it is not a valid Sonic R. short setup because:
1. Outside London Session.
2. Dragon not angled down.
3. Wave leg #1 is supposed to cross Dragon.

In this case, maybe waiting for what is now leg #3 to become leg #1 of a new Wave, we'd also be in the London Session with the Dragon angled down. Maybe then we'd have a short setup.

The M15 Dragon/Trend is being displayed here (tricked you). PA is not below Trend, but the rules say "...it is even better if PA is below the Dragon for a short." The rules do not mandate it, just recommend it.

tah
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  • #31,242
  • Feb 24, 2012 12:49am Feb 24, 2012 12:49am
Quoting traderathome
AU:

Sonikers, here is a trick question. Is this a valid Sonic R. short setup, yes or no? You should have at least three reasons (do you know the basics?).

tah
Sir Tah,

Can I say it is not a valid short setup?

The 3 reasons are as follows:

(1) & (2) The sonic dragon and the 89 EMA is pointing at 1 o'clock, not yet revert down to 4-5 o'clock. The lower high has not yet completed.

(3) A expected pull-back is not yet over. Should enter after the pull-back exit the dragon. It will be best to enter, after exit the 89 EMA.

Thank you.
  • #31,243
  • Feb 24, 2012 12:49am Feb 24, 2012 12:49am
Quoting traderathome
AU:

Sonikers, here is a trick question. Is this a valid Sonic R. short setup, yes or no? You should have at least three reasons (do you know the basics?).

tah
I'll give this a shot as well TAH. My three reasons are:

1) Its not on M15
2) The dragon is not pointing downwards
3) I would prefer the price action to retest and do a pullback to the centre of the dragon.
  • #31,244
  • Feb 24, 2012 12:55am Feb 24, 2012 12:55am
Quoting traderathome
Excellent, Art!

The answer is no, it is not a valid Sonic R. short setup because:
1. Outside London Session.
2. Dragon not angled down.
3. Wave leg #1 is supposed to cross Dragon.

In this case, maybe waiting for what is now leg #3 to become leg #1 of a new Wave, we'd also be in the London Session with the Dragon angled down. Maybe then we'd have a short setup.

tah
how about SR zone around 1.0713? how much should we care? Lets say it's a proper setup and there is situation like that - wait until it's crossed?

thanks
  • #31,245
  • Feb 24, 2012 12:58am Feb 24, 2012 12:58am
Quoting traderathome
Are you just pointing something out, or are you saying you have entered a trade? If this is a statement of entry, that was about 11 hours ago, and outside the London session! Why bother to post it now? And if this is a trade then where are your SL and your TP(s)? As a post of a trade, it is incomplete and therefore worthless to anyone reading this thread to learn the Sonic R. System and it's key elements, so why bother to post it?

You can go back and correct some of this situation by adding the missing elements to your pic.

tah

Do not know me very well and that system is not complete explanation, but want to know if the entry is correct and within rules.

Thanks
  • #31,246
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:15am Feb 24, 2012 1:15am
Quoting artx
how about SR zone around 1.0713? how much should we care? Lets say it's a proper setup and there is situation like that - wait until it's crossed?

thanks
Let's say PA creates a proper setup similar to what is depicted in the picture. The breakout of the setup would most likely be momentumized by the market to push thru that SR area you are concerned with. And entry around the Trend would be suitable.

tah
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  • #31,247
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:18am Feb 24, 2012 1:18am
Quoting vaxx
Do not know me very well and that system is not complete explanation, but want to know if the entry is correct and within rules.

Thanks
Read this Sonic R. System Summary. It is linked Post #1. Particularly read the section on "Timing", but every one of the included rules and recommendations is very important. So, I suggest you read and re-read it as often as you like until you know all is ingrained in you.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...21#post5377021

tah
  • #31,248
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:32am Feb 24, 2012 1:32am
I think I just witnessed San Poh on the A/U
  • #31,249
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:40am Feb 24, 2012 1:40am
Quoting Flamegs23
I think I just witnessed San Poh on the A/U
A screenshot would be helpful to explain it.
  • #31,250
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:47am Feb 24, 2012 1:47am
Quoting Flamegs23
I think I just witnessed San Poh on the A/U
Do you see the three red arrows? that is a san poh...."The market will correct three time/price units before continuing in the direction of the trend."
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  • #31,251
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:51am Feb 24, 2012 1:51am
Quoting Flamegs23
Do you see the three red arrows? that is a san poh...."The market will correct three time/price units before continuing in the direction of the trend."
Thanks for that...Hmmmm...so for this case the market is going down and the San Poh is the three corrections before it continues on the direction of the downtrend.
  • #31,252
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:53am Feb 24, 2012 1:53am
Quoting pipraiser
Thanks for that...Hmmmm...so for this case the market is going down and the San Poh is the three corrections before it continues on the direction of the downtrend.
That is what I understood, it can also work vice versa "uptrend".

I got this from the ebook someone uploaded earlier called the secret code of the Japanese candlesticks.
  • #31,253
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:57am Feb 24, 2012 1:57am
Quoting pipraiser
A screenshot would be helpful to explain it.
San Poh means "three rests". The market will correct three time/price units before continuing in the direction of the trend. In other words, if for example, the trend is down, there will be a down bar, then the three San Poh up bars, then another down with trend bar (see pic.)
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  • #31,254
  • Feb 24, 2012 1:59am Feb 24, 2012 1:59am
Quoting hansma
Hi Adler,
Learn to trade the price action or setups for yourself - no matter what bias other people have.
My advice to you is - learn to trade one pair - know itīs inīs and outīs how the pair breathes, how itīs rythem is, s/r areas etc.
I have stalked the EUR/USD for five years and I donīt trade it if itīs not where I want it. I let it come to me - not the other way around. I donīt chase my trades.
Hope it helps - and good luck with your trading.
Regards,
H.
I agree with what you say, I have been trading successfully for more than 7 years and to be honest, I feel the reason we are posting here is to be clear concise and to the point of the system. Just because I have all the time in the world to post, think what would happen if each and every one of us start to post a sonic chart and come out with out speculations.

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However I do agree with you that since he is the most frequent poster on this thread, most traders and espcially newbie traders might/tend to follow his speculative bias on the market behaviour.
I like to read his stories though, because I have been long enough in this business and can easily dicifer where he might be wrong or right.

How can a NEWBIE have the skills to decifer what is right or wrong!
I strongly believe any poster should stick to the SYSTEM, SYSTEM, SYSTEM. This system manual does not talk about news next week. This system manual does not talk about PUMP and DUMP. This system does not talk about trades running over days and weeks. A system should be self propelling. If I have to post I have to highlight a set up and thats it. FULL STOP , No speculation no gambling no conflict plz. Price can only do 2 things in GO UP OR DOWN so we all come here to learn which price can go probabily, We do come to here subjectiveness and speculation of individual traders. I know there is no guarantee in this business, the outcome of a trade can be anything so please just highlight a set up and leave it for a learner to le dont add any speculation, Also volume Sonic Deejay is saying it is a double edged sword so why confuse users with that!.
  • #31,255
  • Feb 24, 2012 2:04am Feb 24, 2012 2:04am
went over the first 50 pages of the thread and realized I was taking inproper sonic trades with price not even close to the dragon.. learning the basics heres a possible short on kiwi with pending sell 8 pips below the breakout candle
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  • #31,256
  • Feb 24, 2012 2:16am Feb 24, 2012 2:16am
Quoting pipraiser
This looks like its setting up to be a potential short. Especially with the long consolidation period prior to the setup forming.
pipraiser, if you taken to answer TAH's trick answer on A/U, then your E/U is very similar to A/U at the moment.

Meaning no short setup yet for E/U either.
  • #31,257
  • Edited 2:42am Feb 24, 2012 2:16am | Edited 2:42am
Quoting adler
I have been trading successfully for more than 7 years.... Price can only do 2 things in GO UP OR DOWN so we all come here to learn....dont add any speculation, Also volume Sonic Deejay is saying it is a double edged sword so why confuse users with that!.
Excuse me, what did you say, "....Price can only do 2 things in GO UP OR DOWN...."?

I suspect there is a third......sideways, ranging or consolidation. This is a very important third, too, because either the market is undecided and bouncing the price just to make "interim profits", or the market is bouncing the price to build a new position. In which case the bouncing is to sucker in wrong side traders, and this can involve a very wide range and a very long time.

And there is nothing wrong with trying to understand what the market might be doing, just so long as our trading focus is following the Sonic R. System no matter what our beliefs or bias might be. And I constantly repeat this.

I could just shut the hell up, but then this would be a very dull thread. And a lot of successful Sonikers would not be Sonikers at all. Many are here because they saw my posts from the Forex Factory main page, and were attracted here. So, in a way, if my speculative posts attract people to come and see more, and they become successful Sonikers, then I think that positive more than balances any negative.

I'll try to tone it down a bit, though, ok? And, if you don't like using volume, don't use volume. Volume was not an original part of the Sonic R. System and is only a suggested "add-on" today; suggested because it is the only technical in the world that is not just another lagging derivative of the price itself, like all the others are. But, if you don't want to use it, then don't.

tah
  • #31,258
  • Feb 24, 2012 2:32am Feb 24, 2012 2:32am
Quoting traderathome
San Poh means "three rests". The market will correct three time/price units before continuing in the direction of the trend. In other words, if for example, the trend is down, there will be a down bar, then the three San Poh up bars, then another down with trend bar (see pic.)

flamegs23 & TAH, for A/U and regarding to San Poh, I just refer to page-13 Figure 4.1, would that mean the A/U trend is Up, and the San Poh correction is down, so San Poh should be the 3 Down bars BEFORE where you both marked the San Poh area in your charts ??

As the book is about rice trading over a long time, perhaps it is harder for us to just compare it directly for forex trading on M15 looking exactly for a specific 3-Bars correction.
There will be corrections, but will it be exactily 3-Bars or what relevance??


Also I find the Figure 4.1 (Permutation of the five phases) very interesting and relevant, in that as A/U trend is Up, at San Poh, we should still Buy.
And only when we reach the San Zan (Triple Top) that is when we should be looking for Shorts.
  • #31,259
  • Feb 24, 2012 2:35am Feb 24, 2012 2:35am
Quoting foxybunny
babetko, what TAH said here is something I done entering many times when seeing One Long bar just crossing the dragon, so happily and quickly jump in to enter.
Most times after this long bar, it does reverse or pullback, and then hit SL.
Better to wait for a short or average bar to cross the dragon to enter.
To foxbunny: yes, I will remember this bad entry. Thank you
  • #31,260
  • Feb 24, 2012 2:56am Feb 24, 2012 2:56am
Quoting foxybunny
flamegs23 & TAH, for A/U and regarding to San Poh, I just refer to page-13 Figure 4.1, would that mean the A/U trend is Up, and the San Poh correction is down, so San Poh should be the 3 Down bars BEFORE where you both marked the San Poh area in your charts ?.
Nope. See chart. Long bar dropped price thru Dragon. New trend direction is now down. Two more trend following down bars. Then the three resting San Poh bars, then trend following bars again. How long will this little down trend last? Nobody knows.
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