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  • #6,141
  • Feb 20, 2012 1:46pm Feb 20, 2012 1:46pm
Not good news on the German front about Greece and Greek debt.

Top German Economist

'Restructuring Greece Within the Euro is Illusory'



http://www.spiegel.de/international/...816410,00.html
  • #6,142
  • Feb 20, 2012 1:55pm Feb 20, 2012 1:55pm
Quoting pbb
I am just trying to save some newbies, instead of giving them over-optimistic hope.
Wow, how noble of you! If you're such a nice and noble guy how come that you accused Alorente of cheating? Do you really think that he deserved that with all this hard work and sharing, with these great contributions that he's done (unlike you) to this thread?

Quoting pbb
Evaluator with his symphonie is doing a great job for about half year now. He is pretty fair in saying that there are lots of winners, but lots of losing trades too. Besides that he shows his equitycurve regularly, going up and down, but pointing upwards in the long run. That's what you need.
Once again: we're grown-ups, we don't need somebody to tell us what we need. I don't even know how explain it to you because you seems not listening. I try one more time: you're NOT our mommy, you're NOT our daddy, thank you very much!

Alorente, that's one more reason why you need your own thread: in your own thread you as a topic-starter can put the guys like this one on the 'ignore list" and they won't be able to troll.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #6,143
  • Feb 20, 2012 1:56pm Feb 20, 2012 1:56pm
Excellent article on:

Stop the Second Bailout Package!

EU Should Admit Greece is Bankrupt


http://www.spiegel.de/international/...816498,00.html

But of course our spineless politicians will never admit that freely...unfortunately the only way it will be admitted is through blood (i.e. Greek civil war)

Very sad.
  • #6,144
  • Feb 20, 2012 1:59pm Feb 20, 2012 1:59pm
Quoting pbb
Evaluator with his symphonie is doing a great job for about half year now.
And half year ago Evaluator didn't have such a great half year history. And half year from now Alorente will have a great half year history. What's your point? Never try anything new because it is not old enough?
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #6,145
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:00pm Feb 20, 2012 2:00pm
No i am not your mommy. As i said, trying to save some newbies and excluding you as you're wise and grown up.
  • #6,146
  • Edited 2:14pm Feb 20, 2012 2:02pm | Edited 2:14pm
pbb

Quoting ohammond
I was using it as a scalping strategy pure and simple, and not going in until the bar actually CLOSED red or blue and the stoch agreed I didn't care if it repainted the last 4 bars as long as it closed that colour. It could be on the 4th candle or 5th or second, really didn't matter as long as it closed. I also looked at the pivots etc. I did the same thing in the strategy tester, the only time I got into trouble was jumping the gun and not letting it close. Thursday and Friday to I had a total of 34 trades, 4 losses and 30 wins,



Quoting realjumper
Just eur/usd.....that's all I have traded today. Alorente has posted his trades on his chart, and mine are very similar so there's no point in me doing the same. Look at his chart and read his reasons for the trades and you will learn a lot

Quoting realjumper
That is very impressive. I'm 3 for 3 +67





I have found more conspirators....these folks are known to be un-reliable
  • #6,147
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:02pm Feb 20, 2012 2:02pm
Guys....this thread has been free from petty bickering since it's beginning. Let's not spoil it now please.....just agree to disagree and move on. Thank you.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,148
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:04pm Feb 20, 2012 2:04pm
Quoting Favorite
And half year ago Evaluator didn't have such a great half year history. And half year from now Alorente will have a great half year history. What's your point? Never try anything new because it is not old enough?
Am going to sleep now, need to get up in 5 hours for some Asian trading action. If your not getting my point, reread the last few posts and keep in mind what i said before: just trying to save some newbies.
  • #6,149
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:06pm Feb 20, 2012 2:06pm
Quoting Evaluator
Excellent article on:

Stop the Second Bailout Package!

EU Should Admit Greece is Bankrupt


http://www.spiegel.de/international/...816498,00.html

But of course our spineless politicians will never admit that freely...unfortunately the only way it will be admitted is through blood (i.e. Greek civil war)

Very sad.
As we've discussed before, if the EZ talking heads had have taken strong action 2 years ago against Greece.....perhaps the mess we now have could have been minimised for everyone.....including Greece.

Nice legacy left by that idiot Trichet!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,150
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:07pm Feb 20, 2012 2:07pm
Quoting realjumper
Guys....this thread has been free from petty bickering since it's beginning. Let's not spoil it now please.....just agree to disagree and move on. Thank you.
Agree. We are all here to learn, make money and have fun. Let´s stay on message and be constructive and respectful and we´ll accomplish all three.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #6,151
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:18pm Feb 20, 2012 2:18pm
Quoting goldsurfer
Check your Aussie chart now and make these adjust, your entry is the MA cross confirmed by the RJ-M5 after a spike, major or minor. Further confirm with stochastic and Ha H4 trend. Since NY open, I see one entry at 1800 gmt+2, with 1-2 RR winner with SL set at swing high.


cheers
Sounds like ohammond scalping method to me, and yes that one is good. I have 2 wins out of 2 on friday.
  • #6,152
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:23pm Feb 20, 2012 2:23pm
Quoting Alorente
We are all here to learn, make money and have fun.
Unfortunately not all of us... But of course we have to move on. I will.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #6,153
  • Feb 20, 2012 2:24pm Feb 20, 2012 2:24pm
Quoting Alorente
Agree. We are all here to learn, make money and have fun. Let´s stay on message and be constructive and respectful and we´ll accomplish all three.
Yes, the thread has been able to make great progress because it has existed a very loooong time without bickering. That has been achieved by being tolerant. It would be greatly appreciated if we could keep it that way.
  • #6,154
  • Feb 20, 2012 10:33pm Feb 20, 2012 10:33pm
Quoting pbb
Am going to sleep now, need to get up in 5 hours for some Asian trading action. If your not getting my point, reread the last few posts and keep in mind what i said before: just trying to save some newbies.
Hi PBB very refreshing to see some one trading the Asian session seeing as I live down under.
can I ask what pairs you concentrate on and how is it going for you.
Everyone you speak to seems to think the Asian session is no good but I need my sleep LOL
  • #6,155
  • Feb 20, 2012 10:57pm Feb 20, 2012 10:57pm
Maybe we can get the thread back on track with some clueless newbie questions.

Evaluator posted about his Symphonie system about a month ago, on another forum I read. Until now I haven't had a chance to look at it. It does definitely look interesting! I have a few questions but Evaluator says he is busy here and won't be answering questions at the other forum, so I thought I would ask them here. I apologize if these are old news but there is no way I can read through all 6154 posts first.

I'm using the indicators Evaluator posted at the other forum: Symphonie_Trendline_Indicator, Symphonie_Market_Emotion_Indikator, Symphonie_Sentiment_Indikator, Symphonie_Extreme_Indikator_v2. Does that sound like the current recommended set? Should I grab a new set from here?

I understand now why the repainting of the Extreme indicator is not a big concern. It frequently fires, then unpaints, then paints, then unpaints, etc -- but the other 3 indicators are not generally pointing in the same direction. By the time they do, the Extreme indicator has settled on its final value. Given that, the history I've looked at seems pretty promising.

I'm not sure how much the other indicators repaint and how much challenge that would present in realtime. I have definitely seen the Sentiment indicator repaint on a closed bar. You only pay attention to the indicator colors at the CLOSE of a bar, correct? What do you do when the indicators repaint on closed bars? E.g. the 16:25 GMT 2/20 bar was blue when it closed, but it flipped from blue to red a minute later. The other two indicators were red and the Extreme indicator called for a short. If you looked only at the close, you would not have gone short -- but if you looked a minute later, you would have. How would you handle that?

Another question: at 14:50 GMT 2/20 the Emotion and Sentiment indicators were red, and the Trendline switched to red -- one bar after the Extreme indicator started showing preliminary "extreme bottom" signs. (See attached pic.)

Would you take the short signal at that point? When the Trendline turned red, the Extreme indicator had been signaling "potential extreme bottom" for a bar, but you didn't know at that point whether it was going to "stick" or not. In fact it did not, so the final Extreme bottom indicator didn't come until after the other three indicators turned red. (And even then you didn't know if that was the "final" Extreme indication.) So would you have gone short there, or would the "starting to show an Extreme bottom" indication have blocked you from going short, even though you didn't have the final Extreme signal yet?

If you took the short, you'd have gotten whipsawed for a 25 pip loss, but that's not bad considering the price action. But if you've got preliminary "extreme bottom" signals, do you still go short?

Also, when the Trendline indicator switches, BOTH red and blue are drawn for 2-5 candles. (At least that's how it shows in history.) When do you say it's switched from blue to red? When red first draws, or 2-5 candles later when blue stops drawing? That can make a huge difference.

Thanks!
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  • #6,156
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:28pm Feb 20, 2012 11:28pm
Quoting Stumpy1
Hi PBB very refreshing to see some one trading the Asian session seeing as I live down under.
can I ask what pairs you concentrate on and how is it going for you.
Everyone you speak to seems to think the Asian session is no good but I need my sleep LOL
Hi Stumpy1,

I actually live in the EU and have to get up before 01.00 AM London (one hour after Tokyo open) to catch the Asian session, or at least part of it.

I have been trading the EU session, from the pre bund market opening till noon, for about 8 years now. I think it's still interesting, but a little aggresive, jumping up and down. Like you know, being ok in a position for 15 pips, which took an hour to achieve, to see it burned in seconds.

Never looked at the Asian session till about a month ago and since then I have read a lot about it and checked the session movements over a longer time period. There are two camps. Most of the traders don't like this session (lower liquidity, less movements, less fast) the other traders prefer it (more trending, less aggresive). Well, I like trends, I like to be able to draw nice lines and don't need to catch every single movement. The liquidity problem is a non-issue with my broker, spreads are low. Yes, it's not so fast, but trending. I don't care if it's fast, if I catch all moves or am being right >80% of the time. I just want tot make a nice %, using solid MM.

So after a little time I started of, skipped the eu-session and traded my way through the night for about three hours a day. I think pairs should have a correlation with the region, so I look at crosspairs for the aud and jpy. For now I prefer eurjpy above audjpy, gbpaud above euraud and I am also watching audchf (?) which I only watch, not trade yet.

I haven't made my mind up yet and trade the trades that show up first, not trading more then two positions at once. As far as I can see now, the mix would be gbpaud/eurjpy/audchf(?). Never thought I would ever trade a pair like the audchf...

Anyway, I have good fun trading the Asian session, it's a delight compared with the eu session. I trade from 01.00 AM - 04:00 AM (GMT London), which was a bit hard to handle in the beginning, having my daily sleep cut in two, but I am getting there.

This Asian session is underestimated I think and I will join the second camp of traders that like this session.

And here I go again, down to bed to complete my sleeping session.

pbb
  • #6,157
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:32pm Feb 20, 2012 11:32pm
Quoting pbb
Hi Stumpy1,

I actually live in the EU and have to get up before 01.00 AM London (one hour after Tokyo open) to catch the Asian session, or at least part of it.

I have been trading the EU session, from the pre bund market opening till noon, for about 8 years now. I think it's still interesting, but a little aggresive, jumping up and down. Like you know, being ok in a position for 15 pips, which took an hour to achieve, to see it burned in seconds.

Never looked at the Asian session till about a month ago and since then I have read a lot about...
Thanks for your thoughts may be their is an advantage living down under
  • #6,158
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:33pm Feb 20, 2012 11:33pm
Hi all, my first post.
Firstly a huge thank you to Eval for starting and sharing his symphonie system. Also to Alorente, Realjumper, iDHT and everyone for their great input.
I'm new at forex and blown a few live accounts already but since finding this forum, ive only bown one. haha. Simply not sticking to the rules. !!!! i followed Alorente yesteday with his trading style and found it to work very well. i like Evals signal to signal trading and have been reasonably successfull. My biggest problem is the speed of my broker to close or open a position. i have tried Onanda, CitiFX, and a few others, but all were very slow especially the ones that are web based and scalping would be impossible, let alone signal-to-signal. I have looked , and tried most of the brokers in this Forex Factory and find what they advertise on the broker pages, is not the spread that they offer. Can anyone please suggest A good , dependable , fast broker that would work well with the signal-to-signal trading as mentioned by Eval and Alorente.?



My accounts at present are with Ava, i like them to a point, i have a great guy who is my account manager and i can always get help when i call. I have a spread of 2 on meta trader and 3 on their avatrader platform (Euro/Usd). I am a 'VIP' (HeeYaa) i'm told for the amount i have deposited. The meta trader is 'clunky' with their servers, i dont know why, as i have changed my setting to allow a 20 point and even 30 point change in position once i press buy or sell, but still i get messages like' are you sure you want to buy/sell' , 'do you accept the new price' and so on. Lost connections happen often enough to irritate me, and this ALWAYS happens when there's a spike, sometimes against the trend and i cant get out of the position until everything normailses again. Like this morning when Greece got their 2nd bailout. When the spike hit, nothing would work on my side.

My internet connection is the best you can get in my side of the world (GMT +2(South Africa)), and i test it immediately when i get these glitches, and its always running at full speed (10 down and 1 up) and no problems on my side.


Back to Symphonie, thank you , thank you, thank you again , for the great system and saving my a.. a few times.
Thank you in advance if anyone can help with the broker,
cuzgeorge
  • #6,159
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:41pm Feb 20, 2012 11:41pm
Quoting garyfritz
Maybe we can get the thread back on track with some clueless newbie questions.

Evaluator posted about his Symphonie system about a month ago, on another forum I read. Until now I haven't had a chance to look at it. It does definitely look interesting! I have a few questions but Evaluator says he is busy here and won't be answering questions at the other forum, so I thought I would ask them here. I apologize if these are old news but there is no way I can read through all 6154 posts first.

I'm using the indicators Evaluator posted at the...
I don't know about the other website/forum you speak of or the indicators that you have, but if I was you I would download the indicators from page 1, and thoroughly read and understand post 1. Then, demo the system and read through the forum and you'll find your questions are either already answered, or will answer themselves.

I also don't know what time you took that screenshot from so it's difficult to comment on the PA you experienced. You will see, when you read post 1, the times that Eval trades this system and the results.

Happy reading and testing

RJ
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,160
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:46pm Feb 20, 2012 11:46pm
Quoting garyfritz
If you took the short, you'd have gotten whipsawed for a 25 pip loss, but that's not bad considering the price action. But if you've got preliminary "extreme bottom" signals, do you still go short?
I'm still a noob myself so you might want to listen to another's advice as well, but I would not have taken the short trade in your pic since the extreme was telling you to go long. Same thing with your long trade, the extreme indicator was telling you go short. Wait until all 4 indicators are pointing in the same direction before entering a trade.

EDIT: Oops. Didn't realize that realjumper beat me to the reply till after I clicked send.
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