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  • #6,101
  • Feb 20, 2012 10:38am Feb 20, 2012 10:38am
Hello there everybody.
I've been lurking on the thread for a little now and I've got myself aquainted with the system. I'm testing it as we speak in fact. Thought I would welcome myself to the thread and start sharing my results and concers as soon as I get enough data. Below I have posted my first trade for the day to see if I got the rules of the system down right. For now I'll test the system following the rules as per post #1. The trade here was entered following the allignement of all four indicator as indicated by the MAtrix indicator. The trade was exited with a profit, but prematurely due to very slow PA, but it could have been kept on until an opposite signal occured thus resulting in a good profit. Have a look.

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  • #6,102
  • Edited 10:50am Feb 20, 2012 10:38am | Edited 10:50am
Quoting Passerby
I also try your method on NZDUSD and AUDUSD, 3 loses out of 3 with smaller lot. I enter when there is an extreme peak and when the MA cross over change color to the direction of extreme spikes. When there is a down spike, I trade after the MA turn blue and close. Maybe I missed something.

The one lead to my loses is the MA and extreme spikes repaint.
Passerby,

Try this for scalping. Setup Symphonie Matrix on 1 min. Add a MA Line per RealJumpers settings (see post #4826), one can add Stochastics but not necessary, then take a Symphonie Siignal only if the Price action is in agreement with the signal. (above MA is BUY below is SELL) but only place order at close of a full bar not touching MA line and you have full signal.

Then let price action play out until you receive 4 opposing Extreme bars and exit at close of 4th bar beginning of 5th. You will not make alot of pips but you can make 5 to as high as 20 pips sometimes per play but you have to be quick!

This is pretty much RealJumpers method but I do not wait on his arrow or use Stochastics. It can produce some nice scalping results.


Last caveat. I do find that trading this method with the 240 Heiken Ashi direction does produce a better results than against it.

Try it with demo dollars to see if you like and can produce positive pips. This method that I have adopted from RealJumper can be fun if you are bored waiting on a long signal.

Evalautor.:nerd:

P.S. Today is probably not the best of days to be trading as there is heavy event risk (EU Greek Bailout sumit) and low volitility (USA Holiday) which can cause erratic market moves that are sudden and unpredictable.
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  • #6,103
  • Feb 20, 2012 10:50am Feb 20, 2012 10:50am
This is a little issue I noticed today which involve conflicting data between the Extreme indicator and the Matrix indicator. As you can see the "standalone" Extreme indicator is still showing a valid red spike, but the Extreme bars in the Matrix indicator are showing that a blue spike has occured without this being seen on the "standalone" Extreme indi... Just wanted to know if this has occured to you. Both the Matrix and the Extreme indi have the same parameters configured of course.

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  • #6,104
  • Feb 20, 2012 10:54am Feb 20, 2012 10:54am
Quoting Alorente
OK. Today was fun but I wonīt be posting anymore regarding this scalping strategy. This thread is for Symphonie and finding ways to make it better. Posting about this will only confuse everyone and is off message.
Could be a few of us that like this method better,

You should consider starting another thread, not a competition don't you know, like relatives and RJ, eval, O'h and yourself could post back and forth.

I see lot's of possibilities here, for one it certainly doesn't have to be signal to signal....

cheers
  • #6,105
  • Feb 20, 2012 10:59am Feb 20, 2012 10:59am
Quoting Evaluator
Passerby,

Try this for scalping. Setup Symphonie Matrix on 1 min. Add a MA Line per RealJumpers settings (see post #4826), one can add Stochastics but not necessary, then take a Symphonie Siignal only if the Price action is in agreement with the signal. (above MA is BUY below is SELL) but only place order at close of a full bar not touching MA line and you have full signal.

Then let price action play out until you receive 4 opposing Extreme bars and exit at...
Thanks Eval, I will try that. Actually I am not used to trade M1, even M5 give me a headache. I am new in this game, used to trade stock for almost 4 years makes the movement here a little scary to me. Usually I trade on M15 but because everybody here trade M5 I just wanna join the crowd.
  • #6,106
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:05am Feb 20, 2012 11:05am
Quoting Martinius
This is a little issue I noticed today which involve conflicting data between the Extreme indicator and the Matrix indicator. As you can see the "standalone" Extreme indicator is still showing a valid red spike, but the Extreme bars in the Matrix indicator are showing that a blue spike has occured without this being seen on the "standalone" Extreme indi... Just wanted to know if this has occured to you. Both the Matrix and the Extreme indi have the same parameters configured of course.

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Do you have the same setting for the extreme cycle for both of them? The current setting is 1,3,2.
  • #6,107
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:06am Feb 20, 2012 11:06am
Quoting Passerby
Thanks Eval, I will try that. Actually I am not used to trade M1, even M5 give me a headache. I am new in this game, used to trade stock for almost 4 years makes the movement here a little scary to me. Usually I trade on M15 but because everybody here trade M5 I just wanna join the crowd.

Passerby,

YES....1 min is very scarry and not for noobies or people not used to the fast pace of 1 min. I am trade in 1 hour but when bored 1 min can be good at sharpening your reactive skills. You can also use this same technique in higher timeframes.

Play with it in demo mode and I do not recommend trading real money in 1 min as is dangerous and prone to rapid market changes.

Good luck.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #6,108
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:10am Feb 20, 2012 11:10am
Quoting Alorente
OK. Today was fun but I wonīt be posting anymore regarding this scalping strategy. This thread is for Symphonie and finding ways to make it better. Posting about this will only confuse everyone and is off message.
Don't take me wrong, I posted here only to share my trade. I think your method with some improvement could be worth a try. Like goldsurfer said maybe you should create a new thread. If you do so, I will join your thread and I also would like to try your method using demo account to seek an improvement to it. Earlier I trade live because sometimes I am confused to open two terminal to try things out, and the loss I have is small plus on reduces trade lot so it didn't hurt much.
  • #6,109
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:14am Feb 20, 2012 11:14am
Quoting goldsurfer
Could be a few of us that like this method better,

You should consider starting another thread, not a competition don't you know, like relatives and RJ, eval, O'h and yourself could post back and forth.

I see lot's of possibilities here, for one it certainly doesn't have to be signal to signal....

cheers

goldsurfer,

As I said before the moment you take out one of the core Indikators is the moment you are not using Symphonie System. RealJumper is using a hybrid with Symphonie Signal (the 4 indikators) as his core and then adding on additional indikators for confirmation to meet his trading style. He is still trading Symphonie but it is modified by the Add ons.

I have no problems with addons it is when you start taking away removing the core of Symphonie is when I begin to have problems. Not to sound boastful but, I spend 18 months working on 100s of indikators and many hours configuring this system to come up with the best combinations that satisfied my development design flow. Then I spend another 8 months testing tweeking, and tuning the indikators to get them to just the right levels and live trading before I even make this thread.

I know these 4 Indikators work and I know they can produce good results and I do have problems with just throwing them out and saying it works fine without it because I know factually that is not he case because I have been there before and know what will happen down the road.

That combined with my Money Management and Exit Strategies make Symphonie Trader System a powerful tool to help traders be consistant and confident in producing more winning trades than lossing one.

Evaluator.:nerd:

P.S. If this causes a successful spinoff then I am all for it and I wish people well but the spioff will not be Symphonie because they are not obeying the laws of the System as outlined in Post#1.
  • #6,110
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:18am Feb 20, 2012 11:18am
Quoting Evaluator
Passerby,

YES....1 min is very scarry and not for noobies or people not used to the fast pace of 1 min. I am trade in 1 hour but when bored 1 min can be good at sharpening your reactive skills. You can also use this same technique in higher timeframes.

Play with it in demo mode and I do not recommend trading real money in 1 min as is dangerous and prone to rapid market changes.

Good luck.

Evaluator.:nerd:
Yup, that's what I need. To sharpen my skill, I will certainly do that after my PC up and running.

BTW take a look at this one, EMA 50. For past few days I notice that this MA somehow often act as support and resistance. Many strong moves start at this line. It's also a good point where to cut a losing trade.

PS: Hmmm.... looks like that usually monday and friday is not a good day to trade for me. If those days I am out of market, my weekly profit would be much better.
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  • #6,111
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:23am Feb 20, 2012 11:23am
Quoting Evaluator
goldsurfer,

As I said before the moment you take out one of the core Indikators is the moment you are not using Symphonie System. RealJumper is using a hybrid with Symphonie Signal (the 4 indikators) as his core and then adding on additional indikators for confirmation to meet his trading style. He is still trading Symphonie but it is modified by the Add ons.

I have no problems with addons it is when you start taking away removing the core of Symphonie is when I begin to have problems. Not to sound boastful but, I spend 18 months working on...
You are 100% correct. Itīs been hard work proven by time and by the many fans that tune in every day. You have a winner and all effort by all of us should go into making it even better.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #6,112
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:24am Feb 20, 2012 11:24am
Quoting Passerby
Yup, that's what I need. To sharpen my skill, I will certainly do that after my PC up and running.

BTW take a look at this one, EMA 50. For past few days I notice that this MA somehow often act as support and resistance. Many strong moves start at this line. It's also a good point where to cut a losing trade.

PS: Hmmm.... looks like that usually monday and friday is not a good day to trade for me. If those days I am out of market, my weekly profit would be much better.
Passerby,

Yes you are correct. Monday and Friday are crazy and before I start this thread I only traded Tues, Wed, and Thurs for just that reason. Usually, the three middle days trends are more established and easier to trade where as Monday and Friday the maddness sets in and market does crazy things.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #6,113
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:24am Feb 20, 2012 11:24am
Quoting Evaluator
goldsurfer,

As I said before the moment you take out one of the core Indikators is the moment you are not using Symphonie System. RealJumper is using a hybrid with Symphonie Signal (the 4 indikators) as his core and then adding on additional indikators for confirmation to meet his trading style. He is still trading Symphonie but it is modified by the Add ons.

I have no problems with addons it is when you start taking away removing the core of Symphonie is when I begin to have problems. Not to sound boastful but, I spend 18 months working on...
I believe you Eval,as you have stated this numerous times already today, HA! but your system believe it or not is not for everybody. You don't have to prove anything to me bud, the number of posts and folks online show the success. I myself drop in most days As I say, each his own.


cheers
  • #6,114
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:29am Feb 20, 2012 11:29am
Quoting Alorente
You are 100% correct. Itīs been hard work proven by time and by the many fans that tune in every day. You have a winner and all effort by all of us should go into making it even better.

Alorente,

100% agree and while it may seem I am defensive I really do appreciate and welcome your input. I just tend to get short when it comes to things or ground that has already been covered.

You are pushing the system and that is a good thing. I too have been trying to push Symphonie to a breaking point to see where its flaws are so I can figure out a way to fix them but it has not really happened and I continue to push and adjust and tweek and improve to make the system less imperfect. I know I will never get a perfect System that will be 100% right all the time but I would be happy at 95% or 99%....

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #6,115
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:33am Feb 20, 2012 11:33am
Quoting Evaluator
Passerby,

Yes you are correct. Monday and Friday are crazy and before I start this thread I only traded Tues, Wed, and Thurs for just that reason. Usually, ...
Ah, I knew it. If it's a confirmation from my senior, I just simply avoid trading on sunday or friday. Actually sunday is the worst day ever, how many times I complain started the week in red and paved my way up in the next day. Maybe you could post this in the 1st post to help some newbies like me, please. I hope this warning could help someone who came to your thread. The warning could sound this way, "Warning for newbies only, do not trade in monday and friday! The market is a bit crazy on those days."

PS: I think Tuesday and Thursday is the best day for trading.
  • #6,116
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:41am Feb 20, 2012 11:41am
Quoting goldsurfer
Could be a few of us that like this method better,

You should consider starting another thread, not a competition don't you know, like relatives and RJ, eval, O'h and yourself could post back and forth.

I see lot's of possibilities here, for one it certainly doesn't have to be signal to signal....

Quoting Passerby
Like goldsurfer said maybe you should create a new thread. If you do so, I will join your thread and I also would like to try your method using demo account to seek an improvement to it.

Quoting Evaluator
If this causes a successful spinoff then I am all for it

Alorente, I agree with the guys, I think if you open a new thread that would be great! Many of us would appreciate it!

I understand that you're a very busy man, but you are also a very jenerous man, you like sharing your knowledge with people, so it will be worth it!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #6,117
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:44am Feb 20, 2012 11:44am
Quoting goldsurfer
Could be a few of us that like this method better,

You should consider starting another thread, not a competition don't you know, like relatives and RJ, eval, O'h and yourself could post back and forth.

I see lot's of possibilities here, for one it certainly doesn't have to be signal to signal....

cheers
Oh please: all trades where good, none was picked wrong at the first color change (which will be a repaint for six bars and that repaint is not a problem at itself for the original symphonie system, how do you always pick the good trades at the very first moment?) and blablabla,

Goldsurfer move on and don't waste your time with such claims. Symphonie is good as it is. Change some things if it makes you feel more comfortable. Don't just fall for anyone that drops in and claims the world backed by some handmade excel sheet.

For anyone that feels offended: back it up with none-demo-account stats or open a free meeting room with screensharing at anymeeting.com and show your skills. With this fairytales performance you won't help anyone that has a hard time in trading, newbie or not.

pbb
  • #6,118
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:44am Feb 20, 2012 11:44am
Hi all.

In the last buy signal we had a red beak extrem in Matrix we had the blue extrem, if so to whom we pay?

It was good the last purchase?

Right now the red peak has disappeared.

Thank you.
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  • #6,119
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:44am Feb 20, 2012 11:44am
Quoting Elmago
Hi all.

In the last buy signal we had a red beak extrem in Matrix we had the blue extrem, if so to whom we pay?

It was good the last purchase?

Right now the red peak has disappeared.

Thank you.
Elmago,
The exteme in symphonie matrix only account for major extreme. It's equal with the extreme labeled "3" on semaphor indie. The extreme peak on your extreme indicator do not accompanied with dot or painted red/blue, that makes it a minor peak so the matrix didn't count that one. Hope this helps.

Add: I think no, its not a good buy. My SL earlier hit, and now its showing a decending triangle pattern. Most likely it will go below 1.3245, also notice that the price failed to make a new high. It needs to go down first if it want to make a new high. Also notice when the price earlier failed to make a new high there is bearish divergence on M5 TF, that is the reason I put my SL just below the long candle.
  • #6,120
  • Feb 20, 2012 11:48am Feb 20, 2012 11:48am
Quoting Evaluator
I would be happy at 95% or 99%....
Me too! As a matter of fact I would be happy even at 94.9%!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
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