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  • #6,021
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:29am Feb 20, 2012 6:29am
Quoting realjumper
That is very impressive. I'm 3 for 3 +67

perhaps, this will flourish in a ranging market like today. in fact, I myself have bagged 92 pips with AU using this strategy alone. undeniably, this V2 of the spikes performs a lot better. in fact in the simulator, the performance was 100% from Sep 5 to Dec 16, 2011 with AXI Trader, and 65% winning with FXPro (i haven't tried to find out how or why there's a 45% difference. MA5, spikes V2 and stochs 11,3,3 were used in M5, signal-to-signal, bars in chart and history were both at 100,000).

but i distinctly remember we did a similar exercise before with the V1 spike. it fell flat (and dug it's own coffin) when the trend was strong. back then V1 produced lots of extremes. however, this V2 produced less extreme spikes at an "almost"-impeccable timing. we need 2 strong trending days this week to see how it performs.

and a notable perfomance... while i was simulating, V2 totally disregarded whipsaws! during the abovementioned time, there were 16 whipsaw effects for AU with 45-75 pips, kicking both ways in less than 10mins. V2 was just steady and assertive with AXI but a little shaky in FXPro.

today, 13:00 GMT FXPro registered an extreme spike for AU. it wasn't there in AXI. the latter only registered the 13:35 extreme spike.
  • #6,022
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:29am Feb 20, 2012 6:29am
Quoting Alorente
For those of you that donīt understand what weīre doing, here are the steps involved in each trade:

Trade 1: I started my day a little before. I alresdy had a Short Spike from much earlier. I waited for the close of the first MA Cross bar and entered a short.

Trade 2: Got the Bull Spike and waited for the close of the first Blue bar on the MA Cross and entered long after closing the previous short.

Trade 3: Got Several Bear Spikes but waited for the first Red bar and closed the long and opened the short.

Trade 4: Got a Bull Spike and immediately...
On Trade 5 I really didnīt wait for the Red bar to close because PA was at R3 and my regular system was yelling at me to get out so I did, but I shouldnīt even tell you that because it is very important to let the bar close.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #6,023
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:31am Feb 20, 2012 6:31am
Quoting Alorente
For those of you that donīt understand what weīre doing, here are the steps involved in each trade:

Trade 1: I started my day a little before. I alresdy had a Short Spike from much earlier. I waited for the close of the first MA Cross bar and entered a short.

Trade 2: Got the Bull Spike and waited for the close of the first Blue bar on the MA Cross and entered long after closing the previous short.

Trade 3: Got Several Bear Spikes but waited for the first Red bar and closed the long and opened the short.

Trade 4: Got a Bull Spike and immediately...
Excellent explanation.....thank you. You are a bit more aggressive 'out of the starting gate' than I am, but other than that, we're both on the same page
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,024
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:33am Feb 20, 2012 6:33am
Quoting realjumper
Excellent explanation.....thank you. You are a bit more aggressive 'out of the starting gate' than I am, but other than that, we're both on the same page
I am an aggressive trader, I must admit, but I also had the benefit of spending the whole weekend working out all the trades from the beginning of the year. That built a lot of confidence in this system.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #6,025
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:34am Feb 20, 2012 6:34am
Quoting Favorite
Guys, we have more than 6 thousand posts!
And......
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  • #6,026
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:36am Feb 20, 2012 6:36am
Quoting Alorente
On Trade 5 I really didnīt wait for the Red bar to close because PA was at R3 and my regular system was yelling at me to get out so I did, but I shouldnīt even tell you that because it is very important to let the bar close.
yes i missed the nice moves doing that way this morning
but sometimes you grab few pips more
  • #6,027
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:36am Feb 20, 2012 6:36am
Quoting yelena
perhaps, this will flourish in a ranging market like today. in fact, I myself have bagged 92 pips with AU using this strategy alone. undeniably, this V2 of the spikes performs a lot better. in fact in the simulator, the performance was 100% from Sep 5 to Dec 16, 2011 with AXI Trader, and 65% winning with FXPro (i haven't tried to find out how or why there's a 45% difference. MA5, spikes V2 and stochs 11,3,3 were used in M5, signal-to-signal, bars in chart and history were both at 100,000).

but i distinctly remember we did a similar exercise...
Nice going Yelena......very nice
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,028
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:38am Feb 20, 2012 6:38am
Great thinking Eval for starting this thread.You are a great thinker and an innovator. The contributors to this thread are a bunch of gem that work their arses off.

RJ and Allorente, may I ask which currency pairs you've traded this morning to give you such a collosal amount of pips(4 to 4 and 3 for 3 respectively)? You guys are simply pipfulous. That is amazing. Please could you give a screen short of atleast one of the trades.
  • #6,029
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:40am Feb 20, 2012 6:40am
Quoting Alorente
On Trade 5 I really didnīt wait for the Red bar to close because PA was at R3 and my regular system was yelling at me to get out so I did, but I shouldnīt even tell you that because it is very important to let the bar close.
what pivot/S/R indy do you use, your's look much precise than the ones displayed by the symphonie trading signals V1.7
  • #6,030
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:43am Feb 20, 2012 6:43am
Quoting ikeo
Great thinking Eval for starting this thread.You are a great thinker and an innovator. The contributors to this thread are a bunch of gem that work their arses off.

RJ and Allorente, may I ask which currency pairs you've traded this morning to give you such a collosal amount of pips(4 to 4 and 3 for 3 respectively)? You guys are simply pipfulous. That is amazing. Please could you give a screen short of atleast one of the trades.
Just eur/usd.....that's all I have traded today. Alorente has posted his trades on his chart, and mine are very similar so there's no point in me doing the same. Look at his chart and read his reasons for the trades and you will learn a lot
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,031
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:46am Feb 20, 2012 6:46am
Quoting yelena
perhaps, this will flourish in a ranging market like today. in fact, I myself have bagged 92 pips with AU using this strategy alone. undeniably, this V2 of the spikes performs a lot better. in fact in the simulator, the performance was 100% from Sep 5 to Dec 16, 2011 with AXI Trader, and 65% winning with FXPro (i haven't tried to find out how or why there's a 45% difference. MA5, spikes V2 and stochs 11,3,3 were used in M5, signal-to-signal, bars in chart and history were both at 100,000).

but i distinctly remember we did a similar...
thanks Yelena

Do you think that the method would be less profitable if we face strong trending days ? The spike even if repaint would still be confirmed by ma cross close ?
  • #6,032
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:54am Feb 20, 2012 6:54am
Quoting Alex84
thanks Yelena

Do you think that the method would be less profitable if we face strong trending days ? The spike even if repaint would still be confirmed by ma cross close ?
There are lots of spikes but we don't go in until the ma's cross so its not like we're just depending on the spikes.
  • #6,033
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:58am Feb 20, 2012 6:58am
Quoting ohammond
There are lots of spikes but we don't go in until the ma's cross so its not like we're just depending on the spikes.
yes that's what i think to
so method should be as reliable in trendy market
  • #6,034
  • Feb 20, 2012 6:59am Feb 20, 2012 6:59am
Quoting yelena
perhaps, this will flourish in a ranging market like today. in fact, I myself have bagged 92 pips with AU using this strategy alone. undeniably, this V2 of the spikes performs a lot better. in fact in the simulator, the performance was 100% from Sep 5 to Dec 16, 2011 with AXI Trader, and 65% winning with FXPro (i haven't tried to find out how or why there's a 45% difference. MA5, spikes V2 and stochs 11,3,3 were used in M5, signal-to-signal, bars in chart and history were both at 100,000).

but i distinctly remember we did a similar exercise...
When you were in the simulator did you just use the extreme spike, or the minor spike as well, as Alorente does.
  • #6,035
  • Feb 20, 2012 7:00am Feb 20, 2012 7:00am
Quoting ikeo
Great thinking Eval for starting this thread.You are a great thinker and an innovator. The contributors to this thread are a bunch of gem that work their arses off.

RJ and Allorente, may I ask which currency pairs you've traded this morning to give you such a collosal amount of pips(4 to 4 and 3 for 3 respectively)? You guys are simply pipfulous. That is amazing. Please could you give a screen short of atleast one of the trades.
EURUSD only, even though it works for all pairs and futures also.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #6,036
  • Feb 20, 2012 7:02am Feb 20, 2012 7:02am
Quoting Alex84
thanks Yelena

Do you think that the method would be less profitable if we face strong trending days ? The spike even if repaint would still be confirmed by ma cross close ?
i have to witness 2 strong trending days to be able to put a decision on it. but this was not meant for trending situations.

If you were watching AU or AJ earlier at 13:00/13:05 the extreme spike was supported with bear MA, bear heiken ashi (but not below MA), stochs below 80 and selling. if the stoploss was the receint swing, then you could have liquidated an 8.5pip loss plus spread, only to see the currency go down for 16 pips again. and the trend wasn't even that strong. not to mention it was just the 1st H1 candle above the MA.

IMHO, AU is likely to reach 1.0806. fighting the trend spells disaster, at least in my experience.



PS: thank you RJ (and all the kind words sent before today). you are a great positive influence! (sowee i am unable to vouch for you yet)
  • #6,037
  • Feb 20, 2012 7:03am Feb 20, 2012 7:03am
Quoting Alex84
what pivot/S/R indy do you use, your's look much precise than the ones displayed by the symphonie trading signals V1.7
the one Comer posted. Here it is:
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Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #6,038
  • Feb 20, 2012 7:09am Feb 20, 2012 7:09am
Quoting Alorente
For those of you that donīt understand what weīre doing, here are the steps involved in each trade:

Trade 1: I started my day a little before. I alresdy had a Short Spike from much earlier. I waited for the close of the first MA Cross bar and entered a short.

Trade 2: Got the Bull Spike and waited for the close of the first Blue bar on the MA Cross and entered long after closing the previous short.

Trade 3: Got Several Bear Spikes but waited for the first Red bar and closed the long and opened the short.

Trade 4: Got a Bull Spike and immediately...

Alorente,

No offense intended but; why are you trying to re-invent the wheel? Now that I see your chart I have something to compare to Symphonie. Look my 5 min. Symphonie chart just using the simple Symphonie Signals as defined by post#1 and compare it to what you said. Notice anything similiar?

I am using the original Symphonie Indikators from post#1 with the original Symphonie Matrix and they line up perfectly. The only differences is the drop in the middle I did not take the sell because it would have been a loosing trade and there was no Symphonie Signal.

I personally see no difference between your method and mine with that one exception and I think the Symphonie Matrix is easier to read. So I am now asking myself why would I change. I see no reason to do that....just compare the charts.

I will add that I do have RealJumpers input settings, his MA line, and the arrow indikator (is a nice touch but I do not really follow it). I admit that I am more of a Strict Symphonie System trader. (especially since I invented it. lol)

But seriously, I think you are trying to re-invent the wheel when Symphonie Matrix gives you basically the same information with out having to have so many variables to keep and eye on. Just go by the simple Symphonie signals (all blue BUY all red SELL) and exit on the close of the 4th extreme spike that is counter to your order.

Evaluator.:nerd:

Again....compare the two charts and I think you will see very little to no difference other than I think Symphonie Matix is much easier to read.
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  • #6,039
  • Feb 20, 2012 7:16am Feb 20, 2012 7:16am
Quoting Evaluator
Alorente,

No offense intended but; why are you trying to re-invent the wheel? Now that I see your chart I have something to compare to Symphonie. Look my 5 min. Symphonie chart just using the simple Symphonie Signals as defined by post#1 and compare it to what you said. Notice anything similiar?

I am using the original Symphonie Indikators from post#1 with the original Symphonie Matrix and they line up perfectly. The only differences is the drop in the middle I did not take the sell because it would have been a loosing trade...
i guess it's mainly the way alorente prefers to trade
but you're right, charts say it all

eval, why do you still use previous matrix indy, is there a matter using the last V2 matrix ?
  • #6,040
  • Feb 20, 2012 7:19am Feb 20, 2012 7:19am
Quoting Evaluator
Alorente,

No offense intended but; why are you trying to re-invent the wheel? Now that I see your chart I have something to compare to Symphonie. Look my 5 min. Symphonie chart just using the simple Symphonie Signals as defined by post#1 and compare it to what you said. Notice anything similiar?

I am using the original Symphonie Indikators from post#1 with the original Symphonie Matrix and they line up perfectly. The only differences is the drop in the middle I did not take the sell because it would have been a loosing trade...
Eval,

I agree with you and I stated that this morning. Please read my post #5987.

It is good to try new things though and always try to improve what you have. Basically, this system that I am using today is Symphonie without the Trendline indicator, which I think is pretty late in its signals and Sentiment which I am not sure is very useful, plus your Signal to Signal trading approach.

Also a minor difference, I donīt differentiate between a minor and a major spike, but aside from that they are the same and I intend to stick with your system but with Comerīs reworked indis.
Observation is the path to discovery.
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