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  • #5,921
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:39am Feb 19, 2012 10:39am
Quoting Evaluator
iffex,

If it works then why not start a thread and share it? I would think the more people that use the same signals that you are using and if everyone else uses the same signals then the greater the swings in price action and the more pips to be made. (yes/no??)

I would be interested in taking a look at if it can do what your saying what it can do.

Evalautor.:nerd:
I think I would rather enter before others take position and exit right before others exit.

Keep in mind I haven't told you my accuracy or anything about my system. I can tell you though that I am able to improve it on a week by week basis because of the way I set things up. And that is very important, being able to see how accurate your system is and change it for the better. Thats not easily done with metatrader only.

Also I'm not using renko bars as my post history would lead you to believe.
  • #5,922
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:42am Feb 19, 2012 10:42am
Quoting iffex
I think I would rather enter before others take position and exit right before others exit.

Keep in mind I haven't told you my accuracy or anything about my system. I can tell you though that I am able to improve it on a week by week basis because of the way I set things up. And that is very important, being able to see how accurate your system is and change it for the better. Thats not easily done with metatrader only.

Also I'm not using renko bars as my post history would lead you to believe.

Glad to hear that Symphonie System is helping you.

Best of Luck

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #5,923
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:43am Feb 19, 2012 10:43am
Quoting iffex
I think I would rather enter before others take position and exit right before others exit.

Keep in mind I haven't told you my accuracy or anything about my system. I can tell you though that I am able to improve it on a week by week basis because of the way I set things up. And that is very important, being able to see how accurate your system is and change it for the better. Thats not easily done with metatrader only.

Also I'm not using renko bars as my post history would lead you to believe.
What post history? Correct me if Iīm wrong but on my screen it says this is your 18th post.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,924
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:43am Feb 19, 2012 10:43am
Quoting Seabreeze
we all know that back tests will not give same results has forward
Only because you are putting yourself into that kind of environment. Using calculations that use the future as well as the past. If you put things up correctly, you should be able to see exactly how your system would have performed on december 10 2007, as long as your historic data is correct.

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Alorente you are correct, yes only 18 posts. And I'm leaving again. Obviously I visit here very few times, and post only when I find something that annoys me. Then feel bad for being a douche afterwards so obviously I shouldn't be on here.
  • #5,925
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:48am Feb 19, 2012 10:48am
Quoting Alorente
Exactly. Thatīs what we have been saying. We wonīt know if this works until we try it in real time.
Unless I am missing something.....On all the screenshots you have posted, according to the indicators, all your entries are too early as you don't get a valid MA_Crossover signal until 6 bars later as it is in that "grey area" where it potentially could repaint. See my screenshot.
http://i42.tinypic.com/309h6s3.jpg
  • #5,926
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:53am Feb 19, 2012 10:53am
Quoting distantpulse
Unless I am missing something.....On all the screenshots you have posted, according to the indicators, all your entries are too early as you don't get a valid MA_Crossover signal until 6 bars later as it is in that "grey area" where it potentially could repaint. See my screenshot. Am I missing something?

http://i42.tinypic.com/309h6s3.jpg
Weīve been talking about this point all day. We donīt know how the system will trade real time. The repaint issue may be a big deal and yet again, it may not. Oīhammond was getting strong results real time last week. So was RJ. Weīll see if this system, with the changes is any better this week or if it stinks to hell. I think itīs going to be pretty good...
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,927
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:56am Feb 19, 2012 10:56am
Quoting distantpulse
Unless I am missing something.....On all the screenshots you have posted, according to the indicators, all your entries are too early as you don't get a valid MA_Crossover signal until 6 bars later as it is in that "grey area" where it potentially could repaint. See my screenshot.
http://i42.tinypic.com/309h6s3.jpg
Also, is you look at the MA Cross Lines (Not Histogram), you have visually a pretty good idea if it is likely to repaint or not. If the averages are wide apart and parallel, it is unlikely it will repaint.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,928
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:56am Feb 19, 2012 10:56am
Quoting Alorente
Weīve been talking about this point all day. We donīt know how the system will trade real time. The repaint issue may be a big deal and yet again, it may not. Oīhammond was getting strong results real time last week. So was RJ. Weīll see if this system, with the changes is any better this week or if it stinks to hell. I think itīs going to be pretty good...

Gotcha....Basically if the MA_Crossover repaints more than not, this method will fail terribly. lol
  • #5,929
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:07am Feb 19, 2012 11:07am
Quoting Alorente
Weīve been talking about this point all day. We donīt know how the system will trade real time. The repaint issue may be a big deal and yet again, it may not. Oīhammond was getting strong results real time last week. So was RJ. Weīll see if this system, with the changes is any better this week or if it stinks to hell. I think itīs going to be pretty good...
if you look back at o'hammond's post you'll see he seems to be using a different entry, (arrow), confirmed by stoch agree. Can't hurt to have a HTF confirm like the H1 ha, .....

cheers
  • #5,930
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:09am Feb 19, 2012 11:09am
Quoting Alorente
Weīve been talking about this point all day. We donīt know how the system will trade real time. The repaint issue may be a big deal and yet again, it may not. Oīhammond was getting strong results real time last week. So was RJ. Weīll see if this system, with the changes is any better this week or if it stinks to hell. I think itīs going to be pretty good...

Alorente,

RealJumper is using MA as a confrimation tool for Symphonie Signals. He is NOT basing his orders on just Extreme indikator. I have real concerns with your post on using Extreme indikator only for the simple reason that it is the weakest of the indikators, its math is based on HiLo like the indikator zigzag and very much prone to repaints especially in the lower timeframe.

Remember, Extreme Indikator is only a signal flare or marker to prepare you for price actions changes and not meant as a time to make orders. It is purely prepretory in nature designed to be forward looking and therefore it will always repaint at times. That is its nature and job. The Symphonie Extreme indikator is meant to be a more stable HiLo guage to help identify the extreme points of a price action move not a place to make order.

RealJumper uses the entire Symphonie System with all 4 indikators as described in post #1 then he combines for his confirmation, not based on higher timeframe, but on MA price action positions and Stochastics. In my opinion that is exactly why he is successful because he is using Symphonie as the guide and MA price positioning as the confirmation.

As I have said before....the moment you discount the 4 foundational blocks that build Symphonie; is the moment you are not using the Symphonie System. You are promoting using only one of the Symphonie Indikators and I consider that highly risky and unstable and I want to make it clear to all that are reading, I do not, in any way, approve of this type of variation and encourage all the stick with the system as outlined in post#1.

That being said I do wish you luck in your test and am curious to see your results but again, I think you need to re read RealJumper's posts because he is using the complete Symphonie Signal Set as the basis for his strategy.

Evalautor.:nerd:
  • #5,931
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:19am Feb 19, 2012 11:19am
Quoting Evaluator
Alorente,

RealJumper is using MA as a confrimation tool for Symphonie Signals. He is NOT basing his orders on just Extreme indikator. I have real concerns with your post on using Extreme indikator only for the simple reason that it is the weakest of the indikators, its math is based on HiLo like the indikator zigzag and very much prone to repaints especially in the lower timeframe.

Remember, Extreme Indikator is only a signal flare or marker to prepare you for price actions changes and not meant as a time to make orders. It is purely prepretory...
Eval, you missed some posts....

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...03#post5394503

then RJ started testing
  • #5,932
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:26am Feb 19, 2012 11:26am
Quoting iffex
Only because you are putting yourself into that kind of environment. Using calculations that use the future as well as the past. If you put things up correctly, you should be able to see exactly how your system would have performed on december 10 2007, as long as your historic data is correct.

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Alorente you are correct, yes only 18 posts. And I'm leaving again. Obviously I visit here very few times, and post only when I find something that annoys me. Then feel bad for being a douche afterwards so obviously I shouldn't be on here.

iffex,

I apoligize but I find your motives and reasons for posting here highly suspect at best. For you to come to this thread and make your first posts hostile and argumentative then tout your own way of trading as better while only offering a very vague and non discriptive spreadsheet is at best....suspicious and at most ......not credable.

The fact that you refuse to offer any concrete proof of your claims is the bases for me calling your post fraudulent. As I said, I am open to discuss and would gladly take an objective look at your system if you created your own thread and laid out your case. But seeing that you have only attacked people here, not offered any concrete evidence of your claims and lastly you are a total noobie to this thread making only 18 post mostly on this thread does not make your case believable.

If you feel offended then sorry for you but you need to prove yourself on this forum and be able to stand up to criticizm and scrutiny like I think I have done before anyone will call your respectable or believable.

It is fine if you are not going to post anymore and I wish you the best on your ''holy grail'' quest.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #5,933
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:31am Feb 19, 2012 11:31am
Quoting goldsurfer
Eval, you missed some posts....

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...03#post5394503

then RJ started testing
goldsurfer,

He only says he will compare with his method not adapt.

Evalautor.

post #5718

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That's very impressive........I will have a look and compare this with my method. Thanks for sharing
  • #5,934
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:34am Feb 19, 2012 11:34am
Yeah. so. You just commented and A was talking about something completely different....'cause you obviously hadn't read to see what is going on....no biggie but that is facts
  • #5,935
  • Edited 2:01pm Feb 19, 2012 11:38am | Edited 2:01pm
Quoting goldsurfer
Yeah. so. You just commented and A was talking about something completely different....'cause you obviously hadn't read to see what is going on....no biggie but that is facts

Maybe so, but I still think it risky because Extreme Indikator is highly unstable for solely placing orders because it is prone to violent whipsaws because complete price actions trends are not complete.

Trust me, I worked on the Exterme Indikator for a long time with many combinations trying to create a stable environment as I was developing Symphonie. It caused many loss trades with a variety of standard and non standard indikators before I got the right combination and then created a stable model.
  • #5,936
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:39am Feb 19, 2012 11:39am
Quoting maxwell-eqtn
I had that probem too man......., about the repainting indicators!
I will never understand the issue people have with repainting indicators. Essentially it seems that it's in your head. Indicators repaint sometimes in the future but we trade in the present so a repainting indicator shouldn't have any impact on your trades. Either the trades are profitable or not but repainting shouldn't be an issue. The only problem I can see with repainting is back testing since repainting indicators will not give you an accurate picture of what you would have seen had you been looking at the screen a specific time. That can also be solved with a simulator although it is much more time consuming.
  • #5,937
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:44am Feb 19, 2012 11:44am
Quoting Evaluator
Maybe so, but I still think it risky because Extreme Indikator is highly unstable for placing orders because it is prone to violent whipsaws because complete price actions trends are not complete.

Trust me, I worked on the Exterme Indikator for a long time with many combinations trying to create a stable environment as I was developing Symphonie. It caused many lossed trades with a variety of standard and non standard indikators before I got the right combination and then made a stable model.
Fair enough, each his own....

cheers
  • #5,938
  • Edited 2:03pm Feb 19, 2012 11:44am | Edited 2:03pm
Quoting bfis108137
I will never understand the issue people have with repainting indicators. Essentially it seems that it's in your head. Indicators repaint sometimes in the future but we trade in the present so a repainting indicator shouldn't have any impact on your trades. Either the trades are profitable or not but repainting shouldn't be an issue. The only problem I can see with repainting is back testing since repainting indicators will not give you an accurate picture of what you would have seen had you been looking at the screen a specific time. That...

Great point! Trade for the present and bank the pips now....don't worry about the past or furture because one is history and the other soon will be. The time to worry about is the now and get out with positive pips to increase your account balance.



Evaluator.
  • #5,939
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:55am Feb 19, 2012 11:55am
Quoting Evaluator
EXTRA EXTRA...read all about it....

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Many thanks to all the people who have contributed to this thread. It is you that has made this thread a winner!!!

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Evaluator.
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Nice work
Well done buddy.
I just popped looking for this post and wanted to congradulate you on a lovely thread.

May your thread run for many many more years.

X
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  • #5,940
  • Feb 19, 2012 11:57am Feb 19, 2012 11:57am
Quoting X-Man
Nice work
Well done buddy.
I just popped looking for this post and wanted to congradulate you on a lovely thread.

May your thread run for many many more years.

X

Many thanks X-Man!

Evaluator.:nerd:
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