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  • #5,901
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:42am Feb 19, 2012 9:42am
Quoting Alorente
No. I donīt think it is too good to be true. With Symphonie, Evaluator is getting over 900 pips a week with a 5M TF. I average around 1000 with my own system. With this, well get maybe 1300 and a little more accuracy, which is in the ballpark of symphonie, but bear in mind that those numbers are 24/5 which Evalīs numbers are not. If he traded symphonie 24/5, he would probably hit those numbers also. You are right about the repaint of the MA cross possibly maybe affecting the numbers. Weīll have to wait and see this week when we test it in real time....
I don't know everything so I apologize, I haven't met every single one of the most successful traders or anything close. So I may just be wrong. Since you already have a system of which this new one only succeeds a little bit in terms of accuracy and pips. You are doing very good already.

So bravo for this guy!

I hope you put together a solid trading platform and use much higher leverages so you can become a billionaire sooner. To gain confidence first put something together to check the entire history for the worst possible outcome.
  • #5,902
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:44am Feb 19, 2012 9:44am
Quoting goldsurfer
Could you post a chart and illustrate exactly what you are saying? If you think A is off in his method, please make it plain. And don't take this as a criticism, I too am a skeptic with ea talk, 24 hr. trading, 85 for 88 and jillion pips holy grail talk, but I am seeing some solid trades on my chart especially in direction of trend.

cheers

There's is a holy grail and that is called personal trade discipline, reliable strategy, and proper money management. As to EA's I do not think there will ever be a 100% accurate EA. They do not exist and if they did you orr I would never hear about them because the owners would want to keep them a secret.
  • #5,903
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:48am Feb 19, 2012 9:48am
Quoting Alorente
No. I donīt think it is too good to be true. With Symphonie, Evaluator is getting over 900 pips a week with a 5M TF. I average around 1000 with my own system. With this, well get maybe 1300 and a little more accuracy, which is in the ballpark of symphonie, but bear in mind that those numbers are 24/5 which Evalīs numbers are not. If he traded symphonie 24/5, he would probably hit those numbers also. You are right about the repaint of the MA cross possibly maybe affecting the numbers. Weīll have to wait and see this week when we test it in real time....


900 pips a week?? me???

I wish I could do that but I think you paint to much of a ''pip monster'' picture of me. I am good on some weeks and bad on others like most people. I consider myself an average trader with average skill set and average results.

As to 24/5....no way...I tried it and it almost killed me.....
  • #5,904
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:50am Feb 19, 2012 9:50am
Quoting Evaluator
There's is a holy grail and that is called personal trade discipline, reliable strategy, and proper money management. As to EA's I do not think there will ever be a 100% accurate EA. They do not exist and if they did you orr I would never hear about them because the owners would want to keep them a secret.
I second every word you said. There is one thing I wonder about though. If you had an EA that works, would it be better to keep it a secret or make it publis since it would get the crowd in the same direction as your trades? Iīve asked myself that many times. Symphonie is an excellent system that produces solid returns. Why did you decide to go public with it instead of keeping it a secret? I think it is wonderful to share whay you learn. After all, if you where the only one making money, life would not be that much fun.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,905
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:53am Feb 19, 2012 9:53am
Quoting Evaluator
There's is a holy grail and that is called personal trade discipline, reliable strategy, and proper money management. As to EA's I do not think there will ever be a 100% accurate EA. They do not exist and if they did you orr I would never hear about them because the owners would want to keep them a secret.
Yeah, what was i jus sayin? Do we speak different language, Ha!

Ea is a road map for failure if you ask me, just have a solid method for 20-50 pips a day(easy, rite?) and Buffet is jealous in a few years

cheers

100% accurate? Ha! Show me 50% accurate with at least 1-1 RR!!!!!!!!!!
  • #5,906
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:53am Feb 19, 2012 9:53am
Quoting Alorente
I second every word you said. There is one thing I wonder about though. If you had an EA that works...
You want to get into positions right before others do and exit right before others do as well.

Also if you don't mind despite how insulting I was before, tell me your accuracy percentage for your own system that you have been using? And losses would of course have to be the same sizes as winners or smaller.
  • #5,907
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:54am Feb 19, 2012 9:54am
Quoting Evaluator
900 pips a week?? me???

I wish I could do that but I think you paint to much of a ''pip monster'' picture of me. I am good on some weeks and bad on others like most people. I consider myself an average trader with average skill set and average results.

As to 24/5....no way...I tried it and it almost killed me.....
Sorry, 600, I thought I had read 900. Here are your words:

"I looked at the Signal to Signal Strategy in 5 min, 15 min, and 1 hour in the EURUSD for the past week.

5 min generated 30 orders in the looping pattern.
21 winning trade
9 loosing trades
608 pips profit"

I apologize for that.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,908
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:54am Feb 19, 2012 9:54am
Quoting Alorente
I second every word you said. There is one thing I wonder about though. If you had an EA that works, would it be better to keep it a secret or make it publis since it would get the crowd in the same direction as your trades? Iīve asked myself that many times. Symphonie is an excellent system that produces solid returns. Why did you decide to go public with it instead of keeping it a secret? I think it is wonderful to share whay you learn. After all, if you where the only one making money, life would not be that much fun.

True and I tested Symphonie for 6 months to make sure my trade results were sound before starting this thread. So, exactly why did I start this thread?? To help people and in return get others to do some dirty work and help me fine tune the strategy and see if it can be broken to identify the failure points and fix them to make it better and more reliable.

As to why people would keep a perfect EA a secret; that is easy to answer.....GREED!
  • #5,909
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:55am Feb 19, 2012 9:55am
Quoting goldsurfer
Yeah, what was i jus sayin? Do we speak different language, Ha!

Ea is a road map for failure if you ask me, just have a solid method for 20-50 pips a day(easy, rite?) and Buffet is jealous in a few years

cheers
That does not make sense in any shape or form. As a computer can take many more measurements than the measly few ones most of you are taking on here. So for anyone using any method at all available on this forum, an EA could do better or just as well. When I say EA I mean a computer / actual trading system. Not the cheap metatrader auto thing.
  • #5,910
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:58am Feb 19, 2012 9:58am
Quoting iffex
You want to get into positions right before others do and exit right before others do as well.

Also if you don't mind despite how insulting I was before, tell me your accuracy percentage for your own system that you have been using? And losses would of course have to be the same sizes as winners or smaller.
I have a 92% success rate but my losers are about 100% larger than my average winners. If this system works, it would be considerably better than mine because the losses are very small.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,911
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:00am Feb 19, 2012 10:00am
Quoting Alorente
Sorry, 600, I thought I had read 900. Here are your words:

"I looked at the Signal to Signal Strategy in 5 min, 15 min, and 1 hour in the EURUSD for the past week.

5 min generated 30 orders in the looping pattern.
21 winning trade
9 loosing trades
608 pips profit"

I apologize for that.
True, but don't take those results to come every week because when price action goes into a consolidation period those results can be greatly lowered depending on market conditions.

The whole point of the exercise was to show that Symphonie on a ''signal to signal'' as a viable exit strategy and a winning strategy. Where one can always have an order open....buy, sell, buy, sell, buy,sell using only Symphonie signal to signal as a looping strategy.
  • #5,912
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:03am Feb 19, 2012 10:03am
Quoting iffex
That does not make sense in any shape or form. As a computer can take many more measurements than the measly few ones most of you are taking on here. So for anyone using any method at all available on this forum, an EA could do better or just as well. When I say EA I mean a computer / actual trading system. Not the cheap metatrader auto thing.

iffex,

Is it me or has you last 3 or 4 posts been very hostile and argumentative?? Why the hostility? Why the quickness to argue???.... can you not find common ground and work from there?

We are all here to reach one goal and that is ''make pips''...let's try to get on the same page and work together please.

Evalautor.:nerd:
  • #5,913
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:04am Feb 19, 2012 10:04am
Quoting iffex
That does not make sense in any shape or form. As a computer can take many more measurements than the measly few ones most of you are taking on here. So for anyone using any method at all available on this forum, an EA could do better or just as well. When I say EA I mean a computer / actual trading system. Not the cheap metatrader auto thing.
Not to an inexperienced trader, they always think ea is holy grail. Easy money!
Again, show me just one ea with long term profit, show me 50% win rate with 1-1 RR. You find it, post it.

cheers
  • #5,914
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:11am Feb 19, 2012 10:11am
Quoting Alorente
Look at this beautiful trade by the system. 131 pips in just 2 hours.
when you backtest do you see ma cross repainting ?
cause it does repaint when live
  • #5,915
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:13am Feb 19, 2012 10:13am
Quoting goldsurfer
Not to an inexperienced trader, they always think ea is holy grail. Easy money!
Again, show me just one ea with long term profit, show me 50% win rate with 1-1 RR. You find it, post it.

cheers
Your error is thinking an EA is a line of code telling you to buy when price is above average and sell when below. Of course it also can be that, and would equal what many people are doing. So I don't even see anything wrong with that kind of EA if that is the type of trading you are doing.

But I am talking about a computer trading for you, using actual math.

Here is my "EA":
http://i.imgur.com/WEkOo.png

Please note I'm not actually showing anything significant of my "EA". This is just some old sheet I was doing something with. Everything important is in the other sheets. Lots of research and will be on going for all my years to come. This why people don't share their EA's.

BEST of all - you told me to show you an EA that has a 50% win rate. Now since computers can be incredibly precise and back test the entire history of any market. You would bet that if your EA was below it, you could just do the opposite of what the EA tells you to. Because it is precise.
  • #5,916
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:14am Feb 19, 2012 10:14am
Like this system very much. I just added two more additional indicators just to make it more "personal".
TD and Heken Ashi MTF are in my opinion pretty good indicators.
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  • #5,917
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:18am Feb 19, 2012 10:18am
Quoting iffex
Your error is thinking an EA is a line of code telling you to buy when price is above average and sell when below. Of course it also can be that, and would equal what many people are doing. So I don't even see anything wrong with that kind of EA if that is the type of trading you are doing.

But I am talking about a computer trading for you, using actual math.

Here is my "EA":
http://i.imgur.com/WEkOo.png

Please note I'm not actually showing anything significant of my "EA". This is just some old sheet I was doing something with....
iffex,

If it works then why not start a thread and share it? I would think the more people that use the same signals that you are using and if everyone else uses the same signals then the greater the swings in price action and the more pips to be made. (yes/no??)

I would be interested in taking a look at if it can do what your saying what it can do.

Evalautor.:nerd:
  • #5,918
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:21am Feb 19, 2012 10:21am
Quoting Alex84
when you backtest do you see ma cross repainting ?
cause it does repaint when live
Exactly. Thatīs what we have been saying. We wonīt know if this works until we try it in real time.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,919
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:32am Feb 19, 2012 10:32am
Quoting iffex
You want to get into positions right before others do and exit right before others do as well.

Also if you don't mind despite how insulting I was before, tell me your accuracy percentage for your own system that you have been using? And losses would of course have to be the same sizes as winners or smaller.
Also, 1000 pips a day may sound like a lot, but my system is signal to signal. I use no stop losses (Except a big emergency stop loss), so my order size is much smaller than the average system because I am always open to a potential big hit, so in terms of money, it isnīt much better than the average system.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,920
  • Feb 19, 2012 10:35am Feb 19, 2012 10:35am
Quoting iffex
You are absolutely retarded. That is all I am going to say. And as you will find out soon.
I would first like to say have some respect for other fellow traders and forum users..

Alorente has simply come along and offered a contructive idea and is doing like anyone would with a new idea and that is back test it.

we all know that back tests will not give same results has forward and alorente has already stated this many times and has advised he will complete a forward test to compare results.

if the forward tests results show the idea to not be as productive as first thought so what at least we would have had some fun finding out.

If on the other hand something good can come from this then thats great.
, either way there's no harm done..

End of the day if we all sat around and did nothing we would still think the earth was flat.

My hat go's off to you Alorente and thank you for your time on this..
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