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  • #5,881
  • Feb 19, 2012 8:06am Feb 19, 2012 8:06am
Quoting Alorente
No difference between minor and major spikes. Here is a trade that illustrates well the principles. There are 3 invalid spikes. The first one (Dot) is unconfirmed by MA cross. The second one invalid for the same reason. The third one is a long spike so it is ignored because we are looking for a spike in the opposite direction (Short). The fourth one is valid (Short) since the MA cross confirms it 4 bars later. That´s when you close the long and open the short.

Alorente,

Are you waiting on full Symphonie Signal before entering a trade? Also, I strongly advise against trading minor spikes because they are very prone to reversals as price action movements are still in flux and not fully developed.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #5,882
  • Feb 19, 2012 8:11am Feb 19, 2012 8:11am
Quoting Alorente
Eval,

My analysis also shows me the Euro breaking parity, but maybe in a subsequent leg down, not on this one.
Alorente,

Agreed. I see a wave 3 taking price action down to 1.12 area then a final wave 5 pushing to the 0.95 area or possibly an extended 5th wave to 0.87.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #5,883
  • Feb 19, 2012 8:23am Feb 19, 2012 8:23am
Not looking good for EURO bulls.

Germany drawing up plans for Greece to leave the euro




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-the-euro.html
  • #5,884
  • Feb 19, 2012 8:55am Feb 19, 2012 8:55am
Quoting Evaluator
Not looking good for EURO bulls.

Germany drawing up plans for Greece to leave the euro




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...-the-euro.html
So my E/U short I left open over the weekend should be fine?
  • #5,885
  • Feb 19, 2012 8:59am Feb 19, 2012 8:59am
Quoting Evaluator
Alorente,

Let me get this straight. You wait for a Symphonie Signal then only take when Symphonie Signal and MA price action (above MA for buy and below MA for sell) agree?

Evaluator.:nerd:
Eval,

I just started testing this yesterday. At this point, I am not looking at Symphony for these results. My next step will be to see how I can make this better combining it with Symphonie signals. Right now I am only working with The Extreme Spike and the MA cross and the conditions I outlined in my initial post.

Attached are the results for this past week. I just finish it.
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File Type: xls Extreme Spike - MA Cross System.xls   53 KB | 574 downloads
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,886
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:03am Feb 19, 2012 9:03am
Quoting lhDT
OK so :
Spike (major/minor/repaints) : 1 bars back
MA Cross : Current bar (subject to repaint as it isn't confirmed).

Right ?
Not exactly. Both current bars. First you get the spike. Then you wait for confirmation by the MA cross. If no confirmation, spike is invalid, whether repaint or not. Also, once in the trade, if you get another spike in the same direction of the trade you are in, ignore it. Wait for a spike in the opposite direction to start the cycle again.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,887
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:05am Feb 19, 2012 9:05am
Quoting Evaluator
Alorente,

What timeframe?
5M. I outlined all the details in previous posts this morning.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,888
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:06am Feb 19, 2012 9:06am
Quoting Alorente
Eval,

I just started testing this yesterday. At this point, I am not looking at Symphony for these results. My next step will be to see how I can make this better combining it with Symphonie signals. Right now I am only working with The Extreme Spike and the MA cross and the conditions I outlined in my initial post.

Attached are the results for this past week. I just finish it.

Alorente,

You may want to talk to RealJumper as he trades using Symphonie Signals and MA combination and has a successful track record where he only take trades of Symphonie when they agree with positioning of price action with MA line. (i.e. price action below MA he take Symphonie Sell and Price action above MA take Symphonie Buy signals)

He has a good track record and can possibly give you some feedback on what works best and save you some testing time.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #5,889
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:07am Feb 19, 2012 9:07am
Quoting Alorente
5M. I outlined all the details in previous posts this morning.

  • #5,890
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:07am Feb 19, 2012 9:07am
Quoting miw14
So my E/U short I left open over the weekend should be fine?
Yeah. I have a big short going also. Have a feeling about this week...
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,891
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:20am Feb 19, 2012 9:20am
hello Alorente,

please do me a favor and do the same in the strategy tester to see how the ma cross line behave or have a look in the code if you understand it.
you will see that your entries will not be at the candle after the cross happens in a ready made chart like it were so in the 7 pictures you provided.
or if you feel comfortable load up with real money and trade it the coming week.

i'm not a naysayer nor a noob in trading or coding. the number of posts or vouches tells nothing about someones skills they have in trading.

wish you great success with your business.

Mediator
  • #5,892
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:24am Feb 19, 2012 9:24am
Quoting Evaluator
Alorente,

Are you waiting on full Symphonie Signal before entering a trade? Also, I strongly advise against trading minor spikes because they are very prone to reversals as price action movements are still in flux and not fully developed.

Evaluator.:nerd:
Eval, here is how this thing developed. I have been doing trading with symphonie in combination with my own system which includes THV, my own proprietary indicators and a bunch of other things, trying to make both a little better. On Friday, I read what ohammond, RJ and others were doing with the Spike and MA cross indicators. I decided to look at it over the weekend to see the validity of the concept. I changed a couple of conditions and made it a signal to signal system as you are doing in your symphonie trials. The results are coming in at around 95% accuracy and around 265 pips per day profit. This week, I´ll be trading it real time and see if it continues to show these great numbers. After that, maybe we can work on an EA and try to make it better over all in combination with Symphonie.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,893
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:26am Feb 19, 2012 9:26am
Quoting Alorente
Eval, here is how this thing developed. I have been doing trading with symphonie in combination with my own system which includes THV, my own proprietary indicators and a bunch of other things, trying to make both a little better. On Friday, I read what ohammond, RJ and others were doing with the Spike and MA cross indicators. I decided to look at it over the weekend to see the validity of the concept. I changed a couple of conditions and made it a signal to signal system as you are doing in your symphonie trials. The results are coming in at around...
You are absolutely retarded. That is all I am going to say. And as you will find out soon.
  • #5,894
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:26am Feb 19, 2012 9:26am
Alorente ! Wonderfull !

I wonder how it work on live real time, because if it does like those statistics show us then It is holly grail i think. I am very sceptical, i think that ma cross indicator will repaint. What do you think ? isnt to good to be true ?
  • #5,895
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:30am Feb 19, 2012 9:30am
Quoting Mediator
hello Alorente,

please do me a favor and do the same in the strategy tester to see how the ma cross line behave or have a look in the code if you understand it.
you will see that your entries will not be at the candle after the cross happens in a ready made chart like it were so in the 7 pictures you provided.
or if you feel comfortable load up with real money and trade it the coming week.

i'm not a naysayer nor a noob in trading or coding. the number of posts or vouches tells nothing about someones skills they have in trading.

wish you great...
Sorry, I don´t quite understand you. I´m waiting for the close of the bar before placing the order. Why wouldn´t it look like on the charts I posted? Maybe I´m missing something.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,896
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:30am Feb 19, 2012 9:30am
Quoting LuisPrinc
Alorente ! Wonderfull !

I wonder how it work on live real time, because if it does like those statistics show us then It is holly grail i think. I am very sceptical, i think that ma cross indicator will repaint. What do you think ? isnt to good to be true ?
This is so funny that everyone is wondering how it will work real time. Because they have absolutely no clue of what they are doing, putting on some indicators that modify history and looking through a censored history and claiming 95% accuracy.

I'll tell you the highest accuracy you will ever find in with geniuses running their own trading firms is 91-95%. But now you solved it with some few lines of code you found online! But wait, you haven't even LOOKED at the code or tried using it!

I'll tell you another thing. The way you guys are "researching" the markets you will likely always stay at about 65-75% accuracy if you are "good" using what you are using. All the way to 80% for the rare of you. This is the range you will have to deal with.
  • #5,897
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:35am Feb 19, 2012 9:35am
Quoting Mediator
hello Alorente,

please do me a favor and do the same in the strategy tester to see how the ma cross line behave or have a look in the code if you understand it.
you will see that your entries will not be at the candle after the cross happens in a ready made chart like it were so in the 7 pictures you provided.
or if you feel comfortable load up with real money and trade it the coming week.

i'm not a naysayer nor a noob in trading or coding. the number of posts or vouches tells nothing about someones skills they have in trading.

wish you great...
Could you post a chart and illustrate exactly what you are saying? If you think A is off in his method, please make it plain. And don't take this as a criticism, I too am a skeptic with ea talk, 24 hr. trading, 85 for 88 and jillion pips holy grail talk, but I am seeing some solid trades on my chart especially in direction of trend.

cheers
  • #5,898
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:36am Feb 19, 2012 9:36am
Quoting LuisPrinc
Alorente ! Wonderfull !

I wonder how it work on live real time, because if it does like those statistics show us then It is holly grail i think. I am very sceptical, i think that ma cross indicator will repaint. What do you think ? isnt to good to be true ?
No. I don´t think it is too good to be true. With Symphonie, Evaluator is getting over 900 pips a week with a 5M TF. I average around 1000 with my own system. With this, well get maybe 1300 and a little more accuracy, which is in the ballpark of symphonie, but bear in mind that those numbers are 24/5 which Eval´s numbers are not. If he traded symphonie 24/5, he would probably hit those numbers also. You are right about the repaint of the MA cross possibly maybe affecting the numbers. We´ll have to wait and see this week when we test it in real time.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,899
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:39am Feb 19, 2012 9:39am
Quoting Alorente
Eval, here is how this thing developed. I have been doing trading with symphonie in combination with my own system which includes THV, my own proprietary indicators and a bunch of other things, trying to make both a little better. On Friday, I read what ohammond, RJ and others were doing with the Spike and MA cross indicators. I decided to look at it over the weekend to see the validity of the concept. I changed a couple of conditions and made it a signal to signal system as you are doing in your symphonie trials. The results are coming in at around...

Sounds like a plan and lhDT would be a good one to help you.
  • #5,900
  • Feb 19, 2012 9:42am Feb 19, 2012 9:42am
Quoting iffex
This is so funny that everyone is wondering how it will work real time. Because they have absolutely no clue of what they are doing, putting on some indicators that modify history and looking through a censored history and claiming 95% accuracy.

I'll tell you the highest accuracy you will ever find in with geniuses running their own trading firms is 91-95%. But now you solved it with some few lines of code you found online! But wait, you haven't even LOOKED at the code or tried using it!

I'll tell you another thing. The way you guys are "researching"...
You seem to be upset with us for some reason. All we are doing is checking out what looked to be a solid concept that o´hammond came up with. Lighten up.
Observation is the path to discovery.
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