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  • #5,841
  • Feb 19, 2012 4:24am Feb 19, 2012 4:24am
Quoting Alex84
Thanks

so you open your trade at point 2 ?
and close the previous trade that was opened before at point 2 also ?

is that correct ?
That is correct. The most important point is that a Spike is not a spike until it is confirmed by the color change in the MA cross. For example, in the attached chart you see that after entering the trade, some opposite spikes appear but I disregard them because they are not confirmed by the MA cross color change.
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  • #5,842
  • Feb 19, 2012 4:33am Feb 19, 2012 4:33am
Hello Alorente,

The only thing I do not understand is what you men by ''the F12 one bar advance''? What is the F12 one bar advance? Maybe it has to do that I am using a MAC that does not F buttons?

Thank you
  • #5,843
  • Feb 19, 2012 4:42am Feb 19, 2012 4:42am
Quoting dakuki
Hello Alorente,

The only thing I do not understand is what you men by ''the F12 one bar advance''? What is the F12 one bar advance? Maybe it has to do that I am using a MAC that does not F buttons?

Thank you
In MT4 each press of the F12 key, advances the chart by one bar.

Here is a really good example of what I said before. A spike is not a spike until confirmed by the MA cross color change. As you can see, if I had closed the long and opened a short on the false first or second spike, I would have gotten killed. By waiting till a confirmed spike, Bingo! Big profit on both the long and the short.
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  • #5,844
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:02am Feb 19, 2012 5:02am
Quoting Alorente
OK. I´m trading the system from the beginning of the year with the F12 one bar advance as if it where real time. I have changed a couple of things. I am always in a trade. When I close the long I open a short at the same price and viceversa. This eliminates the need for stop loss positioning and worrying about when to exit. I have done nine days so far. I´ll bring it up to today´s date by the end of Sunday. The results are really good. 88 trades, 85 profitable and only three losing trades, but these are small, -1, -2 and -3 pips. The average return...
I thought it was good but really didn't think it was that good But saying that, thats about the pips I got last Thursday and Friday, but not signal to signal, thanks for posting that

On second thoughts though, I am going to try the simulator again this afternoon but with signal to signal, the good thing about the simulator is it happens as it does in real time so if the histo prints 2 bars at once, then thats what would have happened in real time, so making it much more real.
  • #5,845
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:04am Feb 19, 2012 5:04am
Quoting Alorente
That is correct. The most important point is that a Spike is not a spike until it is confirmed by the color change in the MA cross. For example, in the attached chart you see that after entering the trade, some opposite spikes appear but I disregard them because they are not confirmed by the MA cross color change.
Ok
i must say i'm surprised you don't have more fake signals using only 2 indies...
As Eval explained several times in the thread, "you must have all 4 indies aligned to avoid fake signals".

What settings do you use in the extreme spike indy ? As it's not the original one by eval, did you change setting to 0,9 ?

In your test that you are running today is it sure it behaves like in real trading ? Are the repaints displayed the same way ? does it behave exactly same as in real i mean ...?

Alex
  • #5,846
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:09am Feb 19, 2012 5:09am
Thanks for the reply Alorente. As setting for the extreme spike do you simply have 1,3,2 for the orginal Extreme Spike (=2 in MinorMinExtremeHeightATR for the new Comer Spike)?
  • #5,847
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:10am Feb 19, 2012 5:10am
Quoting Alorente
OK. I´m trading the system from the beginning of the year with the F12 one bar advance as if it where real time. I have changed a couple of things. I am always in a trade. When I close the long I open a short at the same price and viceversa. This eliminates the need for stop loss positioning and worrying about when to exit. I have done nine days so far ...
Interesting ! Even if it has nothing to do with the basic symphonie system.

What is you MA settings ?
Do you use a separate indicator or you just plot two MA's on the chart ?
I presume you only do this on M5 ?

Indeed as that strat is signal-to-signal, an EA can be easily coded !
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  • #5,848
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:14am Feb 19, 2012 5:14am
Quoting Alex84
Ok
i must say i'm surprised you don't have more fake signals using only 2 indies...
As Eval explained several times in the thread, "you must have all 4 indies aligned to avoid fake signals".

What settings do you use in the extreme spike indy ? As it's not the original one by eval, did you change setting to 0,9 ?

In your test that you are running today is it sure it behaves like in real trading ? Are the repaints displayed the same way ? does it behave exactly same as in real i mean ...?

Alex
I am using Comer´s new Extreme Spike with default values. I did not change it to .9.

I haven´t tried it real time yet. The only thing I may be missing is the repaints on the MA cross since they are not reflected in history, but I do have the Spike repaints, so those should be the same ín real time. We´ll have to try it out tomorrow and see. I wish we also had a dot on the MA cross repaints. That would be helpful.
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  • #5,849
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:18am Feb 19, 2012 5:18am
Quoting ohammond
I thought it was good but really didn't think it was that good But saying that, thats about the pips I got last Thursday and Friday, but not signal to signal, thanks for posting that

On second thoughts though, I am going to try the simulator again this afternoon but with signal to signal, the good thing about the simulator is it happens as it does in real time so if the histo prints 2 bars at once, then thats what would have happened in real time, so making it much more real.
Great. Let us know what the results are. Please, use the condition that a Spike is not a Spike until confirmed by the MA cross. I´m curious to see how MA cross repaints changes things.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,850
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:21am Feb 19, 2012 5:21am
Quoting Alorente
OK. I´m trading the system from the beginning of the year with the F12 one bar advance as if it where real time. I have changed a couple of things. I am always in a trade. When I close the long I open a short at the same price and viceversa. This eliminates the need for stop loss positioning and worrying about when to exit. I have done nine days so far. I´ll bring it up to today´s date by the end of Sunday. The results are really good. 88 trades, 85 profitable and only three losing trades, but these are small, -1, -2 and -3 pips. The average return...
This is intresting...Thank you for sharing this info with us..
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,851
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:21am Feb 19, 2012 5:21am
Quoting lhDT
Interesting ! Even if it has nothing to do with the basic symphonie system.

What is you MA settings ?
Do you use a separate indicator or you just plot two MA's on the chart ?
I presume you only do this on M5 ?

Indeed as that strat is signal-to-signal, an EA can be easily coded !
I used Comer´s MA Crossover Histogram with the default values. I´ve only tried it on M5 but I´m sure it will work on all TF. It would be great to have that EA for the Asia session.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,852
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:30am Feb 19, 2012 5:30am
Quoting Alex84
Ok
i must say i'm surprised you don't have more fake signals using only 2 indies...
As Eval explained several times in the thread, "you must have all 4 indies aligned to avoid fake signals". Alex
Eval states all Indies need to line up for the trades when using the standard money management and symphonie strategy, but when scalping this is not as necessary as you are just taking pips here and there and reading the market emotion.
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,853
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:34am Feb 19, 2012 5:34am
Look at this beautiful trade by the system. 131 pips in just 2 hours.
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Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,854
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:35am Feb 19, 2012 5:35am
Quoting Alorente
OK. I´m trading the system from the beginning of the year with the F12 one bar advance as if it where real time. I have changed a couple of things. I am always in a trade. When I close the long I open a short at the same price and viceversa. This eliminates the need for stop loss positioning and worrying about when to exit. I have done nine days so far. I´ll bring it up to today´s date by the end of Sunday. The results are really good. 88 trades, 85 profitable and only three losing trades, but these are small, -1, -2 and -3 pips. The average return...
Alorente please tell us what TF do u use for this Strategy?
  • #5,855
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:41am Feb 19, 2012 5:41am
Quoting Alorente
That is correct. The most important point is that a Spike is not a spike until it is confirmed by the color change in the MA cross. For example, in the attached chart you see that after entering the trade, some opposite spikes appear but I disregard them because they are not confirmed by the MA cross color change.
Hello Alorente,

where did you reverse the last valid short position in your picture signed with a green arrow? i could not see a valid Long signal after that short.

i see that you respect the repainting issue. that is great.
and thank you for @comer to revisited the indikators.
'repainting is not a issue. the very important in every system is the trademanagement.' said by a noob trader

peace @eval
  • #5,856
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:51am Feb 19, 2012 5:51am
Quoting expresid
Alorente please tell us what TF do u use for this Strategy?
I´ve only tried 5M so far.

Here is an updated file. Wow! 473 pips on January 13th !
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File Type: xls Extreme Spike - MA Cross System.xls   45 KB | 436 downloads
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,857
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:53am Feb 19, 2012 5:53am
Quoting Mediator
Hello Alorente,

where did you reverse the last valid short position in your picture signed with a green arrow? i could not see a valid Long signal after that short.

i see that you respect the repainting issue. that is great.
and thank you for @comer to revisited the indikators.
'repainting is not a issue. the very important in every system is the trademanagement.' said by a noob trader

peace @eval
I always open the reverse trade at the same point as I close the prior one. Close a long, open a short and viceversa.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,858
  • Feb 19, 2012 5:57am Feb 19, 2012 5:57am
Quoting Alorente
I always open the reverse trade at the same point as I close the prior one. Close a long, open a short and viceversa.
yes, i understand, but please have a look at your picture again. i marked the long entries here you missed with an arrow. this were have losses in realtime.
because the grey dots shows where were long spikes in realtime.
when a newer low occur the spike did not disappear. it will repaint. there will be no short reverse trade.

Mediator
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  • #5,859
  • Feb 19, 2012 6:09am Feb 19, 2012 6:09am
Quoting Mediator
yes, i understand, but please have a look at your picture again. i marked the long entries here you missed with an arrow. this were have losses in realtime.
because the grey dots shows where were long spikes in realtime.
when a newer low occur the spike did not disappear. it will repaint. there will be no short reverse trade.

Mediator
Here are the prior trades to that one. Just follow the xls I attached. All the trades are there.
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  • #5,860
  • Feb 19, 2012 6:21am Feb 19, 2012 6:21am
ok. perfekt. you trade the minor spikes too.
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