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  • #5,801
  • Feb 18, 2012 9:15am Feb 18, 2012 9:15am
Quoting comer
Hi Eval,

Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator has changed a lot - many extraneous wraps were removed from the core - like peeling an onion . And the parameters were mostly related to those "wraps" - for example the original agorithm needs to measure how far the price moves. It simply uses a multiple of ATR and it was a parameter. The Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator had instead SMMA of EMA of ZeroLag of RSI (exageration, but close) and the parameters were periods of those. In short: there is no direct correspondance. Fortunately, I believe,...
thanks again eval comer and other guys contributing to this thread
tremendous work !

i'm still confused between sentiment indies, i mean between eval's one and the new one you (comer) modified.
It displays quite differently, and i would appreciate any advice of you guys, which one you feel best to use...?
did you compare both live to check if one is better ?

thanks a lot
(sorry if this has been discussed before, i can't find...)

Alex
  • #5,802
  • Feb 18, 2012 9:16am Feb 18, 2012 9:16am
Quoting ohammond
Just in case anyone (as well as Jurn_e and realjumper) were looking at my scalping strategy with the extreme and ma cross plus stochastic, I have to say that I have been testing it extensively in the simulator and the results are better with the original extreme spike v2, set to 1,3,2 probably because it shows more highs and lows than the other one, (minor spike) which may not be needed in normal trading but is very handy when scalping. So the rules I set were extreme signal takes precedence until taken out BUT if I get before setting a trade, even...
Hi Ohammond Thank you for your work on this I will be testing this with great intrest next week.

all the best
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,803
  • Feb 18, 2012 9:30am Feb 18, 2012 9:30am
Quoting ohammond
Just in case anyone (as well as Jurn_e and realjumper) were looking at my scalping strategy with the extreme and ma cross plus stochastic, I have to say that I have been testing it extensively in the simulator and the results are better with the original extreme spike v2, set to 1,3,2 probably because it shows more highs and lows than the other one, (minor spike) which may not be needed in normal trading but is very handy when scalping. So the rules I set were extreme signal takes precedence until taken out BUT if I get before setting a trade,...
Thanks for this extra info. I made a couple of quick trades with it on Friday and won a few pips both times (not an exhaustive test!) Away on holiday next week, but I'm planning to give it a good test when I get back.

Must work out how to get the simulator set up so I can practice :-)
  • #5,804
  • Feb 18, 2012 9:37am Feb 18, 2012 9:37am
Hello, while I am following the system with real account, I have had good and some bad spells but I love the system and I congratulate the set, my language is not English, that is why I ask for your help.

45-15 currently use Trend for tickets but I've seen that have changed the entries using arrow and others and I wanted to ask for if I may say that is what works best for them right now and if they could put the latest template I have read the whole thread several times but English is not my language and I find it hard to understand some things.

Thanks in advance
  • #5,805
  • Feb 18, 2012 11:20am Feb 18, 2012 11:20am
I just set up email notifications on the metatrader platform. Anyone have any success with receiving alerts via email/text from the system?
  • #5,806
  • Feb 18, 2012 11:24am Feb 18, 2012 11:24am
Quoting Elmago
Hello, while I am following the system with real account, I have had good and some bad spells but I love the system and I congratulate the set, my language is not English, that is why I ask for your help.

45-15 currently use Trend for tickets but I've seen that have changed the entries using arrow and others and I wanted to ask for if I may say that is what works best for them right now and if they could put the latest template I have read the whole thread several times but English is not my language and I find it hard to understand some things.

Thanks...
Hi Elmago - The 45/15 setting for the trend line is the default. As far as I know that has not changed since the first post. The thread is now full of quite a few variations and alternative indicators, but I think everything you need is on that first post. I've tried to keep up with the thread since day one, and as far as I know there isn't anything here that is proving more successful than the original system and settings. The alternatives are just that, alternative ways of using the indicators and alternative ways of presenting the indicators on screen. I'm sure that if and when a better set of system rules and indicators is proven to work, Evaluator will edit the first post.

My advice would be to stick to the original system, or devise our own system and pick out bits of what we have here to fit your trading style. Otherwise you will end up confused with all the tweaks and variations!

PB
  • #5,807
  • Feb 18, 2012 11:57am Feb 18, 2012 11:57am
Quoting ohammond
Just in case anyone (as well as Jurn_e and realjumper) were looking at my scalping strategy with the extreme and ma cross plus stochastic, I have to say that I have been testing it extensively in the simulator and the results are better with the original extreme spike v2, set to 1,3,2 probably because it shows more highs and lows than the other one, (minor spike) which may not be needed in normal trading but is very handy when scalping. So the rules I set were extreme signal takes precedence until taken out BUT if I get before setting a trade,...
Hello friend,

I am working all weekend on testing your strategy and maybe touching it up with some spices and pepper to improve it if possible. I am using Comerīs new Extreme Spike indicator because it seems to repaint less than the old one.

I donīt quite understand your last sentence. Would it be possible for you to explain it with a chart so we are all on the same page?

I appreciate it greatly. I will pass on my findings and possible improvements to all when I finish testing.
Observation is the path to discovery.
  • #5,808
  • Feb 18, 2012 12:50pm Feb 18, 2012 12:50pm
Quoting Alex84
i'm still confused between sentiment indies, i mean between eval's one and the new one you (comer) modified.
It displays quite differently, and i would appreciate any advice of you guys, which one you feel best to use...?
did you compare both live to check if one is better ?
Hi Alex,

The original Sentiment repaints with incorrect values. The modified one (Fisher_Transform_Histogram) is mathematically and programmatically correct. It does not mean that you must use the second one. If the original works better for you - go for it.

Live long and prosper!
Comer
  • #5,809
  • Feb 18, 2012 12:58pm Feb 18, 2012 12:58pm
Hello traders,I want provaide for you a very usefull toot that I use for trade,It will calculate for u The curent max risk that u hold ,and ather thing.
I will show to u a picture that will tell to u more than i.
PS:and I also atach a ind that will calculate the Tick value ,very useful
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  • #5,810
  • Feb 18, 2012 12:59pm Feb 18, 2012 12:59pm
Quoting ohammond
Just in case anyone (as well as Jurn_e and realjumper) were looking at my scalping strategy with the extreme and ma cross plus stochastic, I have to say that I have been testing it extensively in the simulator and the results are better with the original extreme spike v2, set to 1,3,2 probably because it shows more highs and lows than the other one, (minor spike) which may not be needed in normal trading but is very handy when scalping. So the rules I set were extreme signal takes precedence until taken out BUT if I get before setting a trade,...
Very interesting observation!
At the request of Eval I am trying to align parameters of the new one to show the results as close as possible to the original at 1,3,2. Could you try lowering the MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs and see if it helps you catch more swings?

Regards,
Comer
  • #5,811
  • Feb 18, 2012 1:00pm Feb 18, 2012 1:00pm
Quoting comer
Hi Alex,

The original Sentiment repaints with incorrect values. The modified one (Fisher_Transform_Histogram) is mathematically and programmatically correct. It does not mean that you must use the second one. If the original works better for you - go for it.

Live long and prosper!
Comer
Comer thank you for your help in improving this system.
Could you tell me from your experience if the Extreme Spike Indicator is set to No Repaint True what differences will be seen from the False setting?
I am interested in Extremes only.

Thanks
Bobby
  • #5,812
  • Feb 18, 2012 1:19pm Feb 18, 2012 1:19pm
Hi All,

It has been demonstrated many times that watching for important pivot levels greatly complements the Symphonie. There are many pivot indicators around - I have tried many and found that they all lacking in some way or another (which is surprising - the idea is basic really). So I wrote a Pivot indi (MultiPivots)
It can calculate the Pivot and SR values based on any timeframe (parameter). So if you trade M1 and want M30 pivot - it can do that.
I am also attaching a "combining" indicator that simply uses the first one to draw the most commonly used Pivots - Daily, Weekly and Monthly - all-in-one (you can select which one you want/don't want to see in parameters) - D-W-M_Pivots. All very easy to use.
Remember - you need MultiPivots for D-W-M_Pivots to work.

I hope it helps you in your trading,
Comer

PS: Thank for the nudge, dakuki
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  • #5,813
  • Feb 18, 2012 1:37pm Feb 18, 2012 1:37pm
Quoting Alorente
Hello friend,

I am working all weekend on testing your strategy and maybe touching it up with some spices and pepper to improve it if possible. I am using Comerīs new Extreme Spike indicator because it seems to repaint less than the old one.

I donīt quite understand your last sentence. Would it be possible for you to explain it with a chart so we are all on the same page?

I appreciate it greatly. I will pass on my findings and possible improvements to all when I finish testing.
Hopefully this will explain what I mean, but if not, let me know.
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  • #5,814
  • Feb 18, 2012 1:39pm Feb 18, 2012 1:39pm
Quoting comer
Hi All,

It has been demonstrated many times that watching for important pivot levels greatly complements the Symphonie. There are many pivot indicators around - I have tried many and found that they all lacking in some way or another (which is surprising - the idea is basic really). So I wrote a Pivot indi (MultiPivots)
It can calculate the Pivot and SR values based on any timeframe (parameter). So if you trade M1 and want M30 pivot - it can do that.
I am also attaching a "combining" indicator that simply uses the first one to draw...
Thats great thank you Comer, we certainly are lucky you found this thread Thanks for all your hard work.
  • #5,815
  • Feb 18, 2012 1:42pm Feb 18, 2012 1:42pm
Quoting comer
Very interesting observation!
At the request of Eval I am trying to align parameters of the new one to show the results as close as possible to the original at 1,3,2. Could you try lowering the MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs and see if it helps you catch more swings?

Regards,
Comer
I'll play around with it and see what I can do.
  • #5,816
  • Edited 3:25pm Feb 18, 2012 1:55pm | Edited 3:25pm
Quoting comer
Hi All,

It has been demonstrated many times that watching for important pivot levels greatly complements the Symphonie. There are many pivot indicators around - I have tried many and found that they all lacking in some way or another (which is surprising - the idea is basic really). So I wrote a Pivot indi (MultiPivots)
It can calculate the Pivot and SR values based on any timeframe (parameter). So if you trade M1 and want M30 pivot - it can do that.
I am also attaching a "combining" indicator that simply uses the first one to draw...
Hey Comer.....Thank you for these pivotes indies and all the contributions you made, I will have a play with them..
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,817
  • Feb 18, 2012 2:06pm Feb 18, 2012 2:06pm
Quoting comer
Very interesting observation!
At the request of Eval I am trying to align parameters of the new one to show the results as close as possible to the original at 1,3,2. Could you try lowering the MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs and see if it helps you catch more swings?

Regards,
Comer
I went from 2.0 decreasing by 0.1 each time until I got to what looked roughly the same as the original v2. The attached picture shows the closest I could get to. The extreme at the top is the original with setting 1,3,2, the one in the middle has the setting for MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs at 0.9 and the bottom one is the default. There are a couple of differences but not really enough that I can see at the moment to worry about. This is mine though and I'm sure others will have something different
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  • #5,818
  • Feb 18, 2012 2:47pm Feb 18, 2012 2:47pm
Quoting ohammond
Thats great thank you Comer, we certainly are lucky you found this thread Thanks for all your hard work.
No problem Glad to be of help.

Please keep in mind that I quickly put these indicators together today, when market is closed, so I have not had a chance to test them thoroughly
  • #5,819
  • Feb 18, 2012 2:49pm Feb 18, 2012 2:49pm
Quoting ohammond
I went from 2.0 decreasing by 0.1 each time until I got to what looked roughly the same as the original v2. The attached picture shows the closest I could get to. The extreme at the top is the original with setting 1,3,2, the one in the middle has the setting for MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs at 0.9 and the bottom one is the default. There are a couple of differences but not really enough that I can see at the moment to worry about. This is mine though and I'm sure others will have something different
That's a great result! I think it is as close as it can get minding the differences in math!
Thanks a lot!
  • #5,820
  • Feb 18, 2012 2:54pm Feb 18, 2012 2:54pm
Quoting Seabreeze
Hey Comer.....Thank you for these pivotes indies and all the contribtions you made, I will have a play with them..
Thank you. Please do let me know if you find something wrong with them
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