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  • #5,601
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:23am Feb 16, 2012 11:23am
Thanks comer for the hard work in coding the new indicators.

After comparing the Symphonie Sentiment Indikator and the Fisher Transform Histogram together, it seems the Fisher Transform Histogram gives signals later sometimes when viewing the cart in real time. I know that in your notes you say that "Its an illusion." but checkout the chart that I posted below.

PS. The matrix was giving you all blue where I drew the red line at that candlesticks close but the Fisher Transform Histogram did not show blue until 2 bars later.
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  • #5,602
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:24am Feb 16, 2012 11:24am
Quoting comer
Hi,

Currently I see opposite signals in Loonie between H1 and D1 (images attached). The D1 signals early UP and H1 signals late DOWN. How woud you handle a situation like that? Wait for H1 move to complete and enter in the direction of D1 signal if it's still there? Or is this a case of "in doubt - stay out"?

Regards,
Comer
With this system what I've found is that its best to trade in just one timeframe. The alternative is to wait until the signals align. I mean the D1 isn't going anywhere in a hurry so let the H1 catch up with it.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,603
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:28am Feb 16, 2012 11:28am
  •  amcm
  • | Joined Sep 2010 | Status: assetmanagement-bfi.com, thanks... | 38 Posts
Evaluator,
I am professional (like you) trader with clients, and i'm part of a hedge fund management institutional, sometimes the stress and pressure of the results do not always help.
So if I offended you my public apologize .
Forget about the system what matters is that each one with is own system make money for themselves and their customers.
Your effort and dedication to those who you donīt know, by itself shows the special person you are, keep the good working.
I'm going to get away, from me you will not have any more comments or questions. Thanks for everything.

PS: i read all the posts

Quoting Evaluator
I don't worry but it is frustrating sometime.
  • #5,604
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:28am Feb 16, 2012 11:28am
Quoting itsallover
With this system what I've found is that its best to trade in just one timeframe. The alternative is to wait until the signals align. I mean the D1 isn't going anywhere in a hurry so let the H1 catch up with it.
I agree with itsallover, besides, many times when you try to align two time frames you will miss most of the large move created when the timeframes are looking for alignment.
  • #5,605
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:38am Feb 16, 2012 11:38am
Quoting rivtrader
Curiosly I also got in on the AU exactly at 1.0679, my stop was 1.0645, my chart was the 30M and I also entered early. I entered just two candles before the signal.
im so happy im not the only one taking those trades. i feel so alone coz everyone's with EU.

disclaimer: I AM A NOOB SO PLEASE DO NOT TRUST MY RECO. demo trading experience, 6 months. live trading experience, barely 1 week. :nerd:

but i did my due diligence: a lot of back testing using LFH trading simulator of which tester can place and take out orders based on chosen indicators. so the feeling of live trading is as real as it can get. 24 hours move in 10-15mins (time-and-motion study) including my fibo drawings, pauses for analysis, rantings, and cussings!

speaking of which, i have finished the september NZDUSD... very convincing indeed but i have to focus on what i know best. ill study NU further. i must focus. show some self discipline.
  • #5,606
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:39am Feb 16, 2012 11:39am
http://www.ted.com/talks/kevin_slavi...our_world.html (This is why i'm in & out quickly with my pips !)
  • #5,607
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:44am Feb 16, 2012 11:44am
Quoting yelena
im so happy im not the only one taking those trades. i feel so alone coz everyone's with EU.

disclaimer: I AM A NOOB SO PLEASE DO NOT TRUST MY RECO. demo trading experience, 6 months. live trading experience, barely 1 week. :nerd:

but i did my due diligence: a lot of back testing using LFH trading simulator of which tester can place and take out orders based on chosen indicators. so the feeling of live trading is as real as it can get. 24 hours move in 10-15mins (time-and-motion study) including my fibo drawings, pauses for analysis, rantings,...
I have used that simulator extensively to test my setups. It is very educating to see what would have befallen you on open trades. Being prepared and putting in the work really pays off. I wish you the best of success.
  • #5,608
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:46am Feb 16, 2012 11:46am
Quoting amcm
Evaluator,
I am professional (like you) trader with clients, and i'm part of a hedge fund management institutional, sometimes the stress and pressure of the results do not always help.
So if I offended you my public apologize .
Forget about the system what matters is that each one with is own system make money for themselves and their customers.
Your effort and dedication to those who you donīt know, by itself shows the special person you are, keep the good working.
I'm going to get away, from me you will not have any more comments or questions....

you're funny. no one asked you not to ask questions. this thread flourished because of that. the only ask is at least read post 1. if you have questions, there's a search bar on top. use a keyword from your question together with "symphonie". so you automatically filter everything out and have answers to your questions.
  • #5,609
  • Feb 16, 2012 12:07pm Feb 16, 2012 12:07pm
Quoting Evaluator
comer,

How DARE YOU come here and take my System, work on it, and make it......BETTER!?!?!!!!
Wow! It turns out this thread went 2 pages while I was writing my first post, and I totally missed them!
And the most important post with it

No problem, Eval, I am glad to be of help and to make striking out the gold a little easier

Quoting Evaluator
P.S. Aren't you on another forum? I distinctly recognize your avatar and remember it is well respected.
I have been to many forums Whichever do you mean?
  • #5,610
  • Feb 16, 2012 12:20pm Feb 16, 2012 12:20pm
Quoting Evaluator
Ever seen my system in Russian? The Russians have stolen my System and converted to their language.

http://forexpeoples.ru/forum/showthread.php?26365-Symphonie-Trader-System&
Yep, and they are quite current too - the recoded indicators are there already
The World is watching Eval, the World is watching...
  • #5,611
  • Edited 12:49pm Feb 16, 2012 12:44pm | Edited 12:49pm
Quoting dakuki
1) Extreme Spike/Extreme Cycle indicator:

- The default settings for your Extreme Spike indicator are close to the here recommended 1,3,2 setting for the Extreme Cycle Indicator?
As I said to Eval, it would be roughly equivalent to MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs = 3 and MajorToMinorHeightRatio = 2 in "Extreme Spike".

Quoting dakuki
- Could we have a discussion which settings are best for EURUSD 5, 15, 30, 60, 240min?
This thread is for this exact purpose - to discuss Symphonie System and how to use it best, incuding the tuning of the parameters.

Quoting dakuki
2) ''CCI Trend with Trail''/Trendline indicator:

- Why does the trendline itself not show as many colour changes as the corresponding histogram?
I am certain that with the same parameters they will show exctly the same changes. Just to make sure I took this attached image. Both indicators with default settings.

Quoting dakuki
- While I can adjust the CCI period and ATR period to the recommended 20 and 5 setting, I can only change the CCI Period in the Histogram, and not the the ATR period. Don't you also agree that the 20,5 setting is faster and maybe better than the 45,15 setting?
Quoting comer
ATR is used as a distance from the price to the line, it DOES NOT affect the signal in any way. Perhaps, the original idea was to use it as a trailing stop.
Since the histogram is the signal distilled - it does not show the distance from the price, only signal direction - it does not use ATR.

Quoting dakuki
I bascially would like to only use the histogram and not the trendline itself.
So do I
Quoting comer
Removing it from the main window, gives the ability to add another idicato0r of your liking - RJ's MA for example - and not to clutter the screen.
Quoting dakuki
3) MA crossover lines:
- Where does this come from?
Um...
Quoting comer
... To illustrate that, I created an indicator based on exactly the same principles, but using simple WMA instead for line instead.
Quoting dakuki
4) So if we use all your indicators we now actualy have 5 with the added MA crossover histogram/indicator?
No. I see MA crossover as a replacement for Symphonie_Market_Emotion_Indikator aka Reverse Stochastic. The priciple is exactly the same, just that weird... khm! excuse me... peculiar line is jerkier and slower than WMA.

Quoting dakuki
Do you then recommend the basic principle to only go long and short when all colours agree? Or do you see any 1-2 indicators to have priority over others?
It is still the same Symphonie System by Eval - same recomendations as in the post #1
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  • #5,612
  • Feb 16, 2012 12:53pm Feb 16, 2012 12:53pm
It's amazing how everything works together .
Look at that Cable - stopped right at the 38.2 fib retracement and then in 3 leaps jumped to Daily R3 and stopped as if hit the wall
I know why, but it's still amazing .
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  • #5,613
  • Feb 16, 2012 1:02pm Feb 16, 2012 1:02pm
Quoting dakuki
Do we still need to auto-refresh indicator with your new ones?
No.

Also, everybody, I have only one broker to try - could you test if the Extreme Spike gives different picture with exactly the same parameters, but different brokers, please?
I strongly suspect that it was caused by the stuffing I removed from this turkey
  • #5,614
  • Feb 16, 2012 1:05pm Feb 16, 2012 1:05pm
Quoting ohammond
With all due respect, please read his original post in its entirety before trying to ask questions that may very well be already answered in it.
C'mon, guys! It's ok!
Knowledge and skills come through repetition
  • #5,615
  • Feb 16, 2012 1:31pm Feb 16, 2012 1:31pm
Quoting MagicMike
Thanks comer for the hard work in coding the new indicators.

After comparing the Symphonie Sentiment Indikator and the Fisher Transform Histogram together, it seems the Fisher Transform Histogram gives signals later sometimes when viewing the cart in real time. I know that in your notes you say that "Its an illusion." but checkout the chart that I posted below.

PS. The matrix was giving you all blue where I drew the red line at that candlesticks close but the Fisher Transform Histogram did not show blue until 2 bars later.
I don't know what happened in this exact case. What I do know is that this indicator was the worst offender in terms of just plain programming errors. Sometimes it seems that it gives earlier signals - this time you notice, because you wait for them. The other times it may not give signal when it should - and you don't notice, because it seems that it protects you. You know the saying "garbage in - garbage out"
  • #5,616
  • Feb 16, 2012 1:33pm Feb 16, 2012 1:33pm
Quoting comer
Just add the indicators with the default inputs, will you?
Hi Comer,
Thanks for your great input here. heres how my chart looked after I used your new indis.

It doesn't look like yours. Can you offer suggestion ?

Cheers

SR
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  • #5,617
  • Feb 16, 2012 1:45pm Feb 16, 2012 1:45pm
Quoting comer
I understand completely . I am only having trouble to explain the difference and correspondence.
In the context of your question above: Length is roughly equivalent to MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs. And MajorCycle to MajorToMinorHeightRatio. With all the rest been set as on your screenshot.
One difference is that I use straight ATR, the original indicator uses SMA(250) of the simple bar range (High-Low).



It is not on my list. I use Symphonie the "old fashion" way - the indicators don't take too much space...
Comer,

Just to make sure I am perfectly clear I have created an excel spreadsheet to match up the input setting of original Symphonie indikators with your clean up of the Symphonie Indikator. Please check to make sure my understanding are corect.

Once I get your confirmation where I properly see the equals; I can begin to ''evaluator'' your changes and make proper determines.

Best Regards,

Evaluator.:nerd:
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  • #5,618
  • Feb 16, 2012 2:27pm Feb 16, 2012 2:27pm
Quoting Sjr
Hi Comer,
Thanks for your great input here. heres how my chart looked after I used your new indis.

It doesn't look like yours. Can you offer suggestion ?
Sure, no problem
First - the bar spacing on your chart is larger than on mine - that's why histograms have black gaps. Either reduce the spacing (hit "-") or increase the histogram width (indicator properties -> color -> change width).
Second - I don't use use *line version of indicators - so remove those (MA_lines and/or Stochastic_lines). Remember - for Symphonie all you need is 4 indicators.
Third - set "Collapse" to "true" for Fisher Transform.
Fourth - I see you have both MA_cross and Reverse_Stochastic. Choose one and remove the other.
Done!

Oh, and I also use classic Stochastic with RJ's settings and MA.

"Give man a fish - and you will feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish - and you will feed him for life"
  • #5,619
  • Feb 16, 2012 2:34pm Feb 16, 2012 2:34pm
Quoting Evaluator
Comer,

Just to make sure I am perfectly clear I have created an excel spreadsheet to match up the input setting of original Symphonie indikators with your clean up of the Symphonie Indikator. Please check to make sure my understanding are corect.

Once I get your confirmation where I properly see the equals; I can begin to ''evaluator'' your changes and make proper determines.

Best Regards,

Evaluator.:nerd:
All correct Just a little caveat: "Symphonie Extreme Cycle Indikator" and "Extreme Spike" parameters do not exactly equal.
  • #5,620
  • Feb 16, 2012 2:52pm Feb 16, 2012 2:52pm
Quoting comer
All correct Just a little caveat: "Symphonie Extreme Cycle Indikator" and "Extreme Spike" parameters do not exactly equal.

Comer,

I have setup the two side by side and have input the same values for each and the results are not lining up. Are there different values needed for the two values on your clean up of the Symphonie Extreme versus the original Symphonie Extreme?

Evaluator.:nerd:
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