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  • #5,561
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:12am Feb 16, 2012 5:12am
Quoting comer
It's been my pleasure reading this thread and like I said - I like to know...

Comer,

Can you tell me what the value equals are for the extreme indikator and how it matches up with Symphonie Extreme Indikator? I am trying to make the setting equal and having difficulty in getting the setting for the two to be aligned.

Can you post some report on how the input values of you new clean indikators line up with ALL the existing Symphonie Indikators? I think it would really clear up alot of questions and confusion.

Many thanks.

Evaluator.:nerd:
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  • #5,562
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:14am Feb 16, 2012 5:14am
Quoting itsallover
LOL
It looks like PA couldn't wait for those high impact news releases and has crossed the magic 1.29800 line
Yes and price action seems to be in heavy fighting as bull and bears battle for control of the direction. Looks messy and many many whipsaws. It might be best to stay on the sidelines until direction is determined.
  • #5,563
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:18am Feb 16, 2012 5:18am
Quoting Evaluator
Yes and price action seems to be in heavy fighting as bull and bears battle for control of the direction. Looks messy and many many whipsaws. It might be best to stay on the sidelines until direction is determined.
Too right
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,564
  • Edited 6:00am Feb 16, 2012 5:37am | Edited 6:00am
Update on EURUSD Channel Break. Hourly chart is now making new high and higher lows. That means a bottom has been reached I am closing all my 1 hourly orders because price action will now move back into the channel most likely pushing to 1.31000 area.


FYI....Thread Account quick status update just jumped from 2800 to 4950 in last 2 days trading 1 hour charts. It is possible to make good returns in hourly but the trades are far apart and take longer to materialize.
  • #5,565
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:38am Feb 16, 2012 5:38am
Quoting itsallover
At the risk of exposing my ignorance..... all arrows don't carry the same weight do they?
There's loads of arrows so which ones should we ignore?
Dont take all arrows, read all the lessons herehttp://www.babypips.com/school/divergence-trading.html

Very good guide on how to look at divergences. Really choppy day. Im happy that i stayed on sidelines and just watched chart. Will save money for another better day.
  • #5,566
  • Edited 7:05am Feb 16, 2012 5:41am | Edited 7:05am
Quoting Evaluator
Yes and price action seems to be in heavy fighting as bull and bears battle for control of the direction. Looks messy and many many whipsaws. It might be best to stay on the sidelines until direction is determined.
Yes sound advise ive been watching the market play a game of tug of war..Been a few oppertunities on the one minute charts to take a few pips...

Should see a bit of movement in next few mins with news release but I will stay out for a while yet..
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,567
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:46am Feb 16, 2012 5:46am
Quoting Timur443
Dont take all arrows, read all the lessons herehttp://www.babypips.com/school/divergence-trading.html

Very good guide on how to look at divergences. Really choppy day. Im happy that i stayed on sidelines and just watched chart. Will save money for another better day.
Thankyou so muchTimur443
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,568
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:49am Feb 16, 2012 5:49am
aaak im so happy i trusted the system.

re-entred at 84.021 AJ 15:10 GMT and it has hit TP1 84.36. i knew you wouldn't let me down, AJ! i so love you

gosh, my first 4 days of no losing positions! 567 pips AJ and AU! oooohhhhh hot hot! --- real money here.. thanks eval, rj and lio for sharing your minds!

so AU has proven itself, should it form a bull HA bar at 16:00 above MA, stochs and matrix 1.7 confirms, then 1.0708 seems to be a reasonable target.

going to bed now. trade safely!
  • #5,569
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:54am Feb 16, 2012 5:54am
Quoting itsallover
At the risk of exposing my ignorance..... all arrows don't carry the same weight do they?
There's loads of arrows so which ones should we ignore?
Use symphony indicators as your primary entry and exit rules with a bit of chart reading then use stocks and arrows as secondary indicators to strengthen whether you will take the trade or not..

Sometimes I will have taken a trade with no arrow showing but a candle or later if the arrow shows it makes me feel better..The arrows alone will not make you profitable.
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,570
  • Feb 16, 2012 5:58am Feb 16, 2012 5:58am
Quoting yelena
aaak im so happy i trusted the system.

re-entred at 84.021 AJ 15:10 GMT and it has hit TP1 84.36. i knew you wouldn't let me down, AJ! i so love you

gosh, my first 4 days of no losing positions! 567 pips AJ and AU! oooohhhhh hot hot! --- real money here.. thanks eval, rj and lio for sharing your minds!

so AU has proven itself, should it form a bull HA bar at 16:00 above MA, stochs and matrix 1.7 confirms, then 1.0708 seems to be a reasonable target.

going to bed now. trade safely!
yelena,

Congratulation and yes! it is very important to trust the system once you have learned how it works because it can prove very profitable.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #5,571
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:07am Feb 16, 2012 6:07am
Quoting Evaluator
Can you tell me what the value equals are for the extreme indikator and how it matches up with Symphonie Extreme Indikator? I am trying to make the setting equal and having difficulty in getting the setting for the two to be aligned.

Can you post some report on how the input values of you new clean indikators line up with ALL the existing Symphonie Indikators? I think it would really clear up alot of questions and confusion.
Hi Eval,

Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator has changed a lot - many extraneous wraps were removed from the core - like peeling an onion . And the parameters were mostly related to those "wraps" - for example the original agorithm needs to measure how far the price moves. It simply uses a multiple of ATR and it was a parameter. The Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator had instead SMMA of EMA of ZeroLag of RSI (exageration, but close) and the parameters were periods of those. In short: there is no direct correspondance. Fortunately, I believe, the new parameters are much clearer and easy to adjust.

For others:

Symphonie_Trendline_Indikator / CCI_Histogram, CCI_Trend_with_trail

CCIPeriod : CCI_Period
ATRPeriod : ATR_Period
new : ATR_Multiplier

Symphonie_Sentiment_Indikator / Fisher_Transform_Histogram

period : Length
new : Collapse

Symphonie_Market_Emotion_Indikator / Reverse_Stochastic_Histogram, Reverse_Stochastic_Lines

SSP : period
Kmax : K
removed : CountBars
new : Right_Shift

Please bear in mind that even using the same parameters may not produce exactly the same result - as I explained, a number of calculation and painting problems have been fixed, which affected the result, of course. Not a lot, but it did.
If you just compare the graphs - the most unchanged (i.e. you will get an identical line) is Trendline. Reverse Stochastic changed a little - the tail has changed - last few bars. Fisher - slightly changed troughout.
Spike... it changed a lot, as I said, but it still marks the extremes as it should

Regards,
Comer
  • #5,572
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:13am Feb 16, 2012 6:13am
Quoting Evaluator
Update on EURUSD Channel Break. Hourly chart is now making new high and higher lows. That means a bottom has been reached I am closing all my 1 hourly orders because price action will now move back into the channel most likely pushing to 1.31000 area.


FYI....Thread Account quick status update just jumped from 2800 to 4950 in last 2 days trading 1 hour charts. It is possible to make good returns in hourly but the trades are far apart and take longer to materialize.
great job eval.
did you keep all your positions running since last week ? and i think it was 4 positions, is that right ?
  • #5,573
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:32am Feb 16, 2012 6:32am
Quoting comer
Hi Eval,

Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator has changed a lot - many extraneous wraps were removed from the core - like peeling an onion . And the parameters were mostly related to those "wraps" - for example the original agorithm needs to measure how far the price moves. It simply uses a multiple of ATR and it was a parameter. The Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator had instead SMMA of EMA of ZeroLag of RSI (exageration, but close) and the parameters were periods of those. In short: there is no direct correspondance. Fortunately, I believe,...
comer,

Thanks for the reply but I really need a direct line up of the input values on the Extreme Indikator. (Or atleast what you think they are.)

Existing

Symphonie Extreme Indikator
Price Action Filter
Length
MajorCycle
useCycleFilter
UseFilterSMAorRSI
FilterStrengthSMA
FilterStrengthRSI

Your Extreme Cycle Indikator
No Repaint
MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs
MajorToMinorHeightRatio
MinorMinExtremeWidth
MajorMinExtremeWidth

Now we have those two sets of completly different Input settings. How do we line each of these input setting up where we can look at the changes in values of one and see that it mean the same in the other.

That is what I am trying to understand. Is changing the ''MajorCycle'' value on the original indikator the same as changing the ''MinorMinExtremeHeightATRs'' on your cleaned up version of the Symphonie Extreme indikator? I need to beable to understand that before I can really test them so I have a direct comparison of apple to apple not apple to melon. See what I mean?

I want to understand your changes and see the differences. I do not mean to be difficult but I want to understand better and the Symphonie Extreme Indikator while prone to repaint is a key component of the total Symphonie System.

Thanks,

Evaluator.:nerd:

P.S. Will you take the cleaned up version and make a Symphonie Matrix version 2 from it?
  • #5,574
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:33am Feb 16, 2012 6:33am
Quoting bobmorloc
great job eval.
did you keep all your positions running since last week ? and i think it was 4 positions, is that right ?

Just one but I added 5 more positions as they went to positive pips and came out of danger.
  • #5,575
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:54am Feb 16, 2012 6:54am
Quoting Evaluator
Update on EURUSD Channel Break. Hourly chart is now making new high and higher lows. That means a bottom has been reached I am closing all my 1 hourly orders because price action will now move back into the channel most likely pushing to 1.31000 area.


FYI....Thread Account quick status update just jumped from 2800 to 4950 in last 2 days trading 1 hour charts. It is possible to make good returns in hourly but the trades are far apart and take longer to materialize.

Can I be greedy and ask what all indicators are you using from all those posted in the forum and what settings they are on?? Mainly because I am trying to either replicate them on 4hr or if not may be just use it on 1hr tf.


Kind Regards
  • #5,576
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:55am Feb 16, 2012 6:55am
As price action moves back inside the down channel what can we derive from this and how can we predict the market moves. Well since we did break the down channel to the downside this opens of the possiblity of a major break in the future and odds are 75% to 25% price action on the Euro will move lower over the next week or two.

However, with all the volitility over the Greece Crisis and the euphoria about the fix all that the EU politicians have to make it all ''rainbow and lollies'' here is my prediction to you. From today until Monday's confernence there will be alot of sideways trading of the EURO as it will whipsaw its way back to around 1.31000....Yes that is correct we could most likely see another 1.31000 on the Euro. But this actually makes sense as pushs and contractions are what the market does. That combined with Elliott Wave analysis leads me to believe in the below chart will be what will happen of the next few day.

I do believe firmly that we will see a dramatic drop in the price of the Euro and I do believe it will be dropping by 200 and 300 pips per day very soon. But until then there will be alot of lost monies as the EuroUSD whipsaws around over the next few days.

That said let us look to the charts and better clearify what I believe.

P.S. This is all caveated on the Greek situation. If the EU politician give up on Greek bailout then all bets are off and there will be a huge Euro drop much earlier.
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  • #5,577
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:57am Feb 16, 2012 6:57am
Quoting gj6n68
Can I be greedy and ask what all indicators are you using from all those posted in the forum and what settings they are on?? Mainly because I am trying to either replicate them on 4hr or if not may be just use it on 1hr tf.


Kind Regards

P O S T #1 !
  • #5,578
  • Feb 16, 2012 6:59am Feb 16, 2012 6:59am
Quoting Evaluator
P O S T #1 !

OK... THANKS A LOT.
  • #5,579
  • Feb 16, 2012 7:10am Feb 16, 2012 7:10am
Quoting Evaluator
As price action moves back inside the down channel what can we derive from this and how can we predict the market moves. Well since we did break the down channel to the downside this opens of the possiblity of a major break in the future and odds are 75% to 25% price action on the Euro will move lower over the next week or two.
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Great post Eval
Thank You James16, Fijitrader, Mbqb1, ghous, Pinbar and Jarroo. cpfleger
  • #5,580
  • Edited 9:23am Feb 16, 2012 7:14am | Edited 9:23am
Quoting Evaluator
yelena,

Congratulation and yes! it is very important to trust the system once you have learned how it works because it can prove very profitable.

Evaluator.:nerd:
so true! i took a nap coz i was up for 16 hrs straight already. but i was so confident on the system that i placed a buy with AU at 1.0679 even before the H1 bar closed with SL at 1.0644 and TP1 at 1.0719... just peeked, and my my, what you know, +40 pips again! wow, 607 pips! unbelievable! i feel like crying ..... with joy! 12% up in 4 days!

i think i will consider AUDCAD too!

im wiling to be a guinea pig for the project with comer. i have time in my hands since im doing hourly.... forward tests are better than backtesting

EDIT:22% up in 4 days i meant! by all virtue, it should have been more. but im trading 50% of the recommended MM coz im trading this with real money now. and im half scared whenever i take a position!
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