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  • #4,161
  • Feb 10, 2012 12:55am Feb 10, 2012 12:55am
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let's see if we can make it 30 pips tp 4h, waiting for London...
  • #4,162
  • Feb 10, 2012 1:08am Feb 10, 2012 1:08am
Quoting Noosaville
I would like to congratulate X Man for this wonderful thread, I've been following TMS (Big E) for some time and saw your recent post on his thread. I've now set up my charts with your Template, TDI and 20 & 60 EMA's and it looks great. But I need to fix a couple of areas. The TDI I loaded may not be yours, (TDI with Alerts mq4) I won't go into the lengthy explanation (it has 4 lines of signals on the right obscuring the vital 3 indicator lines) can you please confirm this is the wrong one. Secondly, I loaded the i -Sessions.mq4 and when I dragged...

hi Noosaville,
you can go to post #36, ...download the MT4 script and use that to make screenshot capture of yourr charts and post them.

If you need help in using scripts, go to the top menu there is a UserGuide. Look under the Content > Auto Trading > Script

...
  • #4,163
  • Feb 10, 2012 1:12am Feb 10, 2012 1:12am
Quoting Phx62
All of the above....when PA is struggling to reach the average daily range in pips, I will reduce the TP/SL. I also watch the 200 EMA closely and long term trendlines that have been tested at least once. To a lesser extent, I watch S&R lines as they are not as dependable. Most of all, I try to judge momentum and Price Action, watching for candle formations and pullbacks.
Hello Phx62,

Do you consider any other EMA's besides 200? Like the 60 EMA?

Thank you for your time.
  • #4,164
  • Feb 10, 2012 1:13am Feb 10, 2012 1:13am
Quoting only20gp
Wow, this thread has changed so much from the begining, just started to read the 1st 20 pages then decided to read the last 20. In the begining it was all about 1H time frame and simple indicators, now Im reading about 15M 30M etc, its getting really confusing.

Hey there
We are still trading the 1H TF and not the 15 and 30m Tfs.
Theres some traders thats trading those TFs.
If you take time to read the posts carefully you will no longer be confused.
X-man the legendary conqueror of markets
  • #4,165
  • Feb 10, 2012 1:18am Feb 10, 2012 1:18am
Quoting Noosaville
I would like to congratulate X Man for this wonderful thread, I've been following TMS (Big E) for some time and saw your recent post on his thread. I've now set up my charts with your Template, TDI and 20 & 60 EMA's and it looks great. But I need to fix a couple of areas. The TDI I loaded may not be yours, (TDI with Alerts mq4) I won't go into the lengthy explanation (it has 4 lines of signals on the right obscuring the vital 3 indicator lines) can you please confirm this is the wrong one. Secondly, I loaded the i -Sessions.mq4 and when I dragged...
LOL where did you pick that TDI from?
Well i am now using a TDI with real time which has been advised to me by a good friend of mine.
It was posted some time on this thread and i started using that TDI from yesterday. I included that TDI to post 1 and i will add it here
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  • #4,166
  • Feb 10, 2012 1:31am Feb 10, 2012 1:31am
Quoting D.d.
hi guys , i would to know, what is your Profit / Risk ratio, many people said , even Xman in the beginning of this thread, that is important to have a high PR ration to cover losses, but, when i backtest this system, the volatility is so high, at the openings hours, that it's really difficult to have a TP supperior to a SL, i use a 30 pips SL, but sometimes i can only make 20 PIPs of profit, there's no way to make twice, or more than the SL

Although i set a 50 pip SL PA harldy hits that. I would always close the trade when i find that PA is going against me. You will get to know this when you spend enough time back testing this pair.
So i would close at BE or -10 and if momentum is huge then thats when it will ht my SL.
Thats why back testing is the key. Use TDI with PA when you back test then you can and look for pullback candles etc to find set ups.
note what happens most of the time when TDI in the 68 and 32 zone. This is how you will get use to how PA flows.
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  • #4,167
  • Feb 10, 2012 1:34am Feb 10, 2012 1:34am
Quoting X-Man
Although i set a 50 pip SL PA harldy hits that. I would always close the trade when i find that [color=Blue][size=3]PA is going against me. You will get to know this when you spend enough time back testing this pair.
So i would close at BE or -10 and if momentum is huge then thats when it will ht my SL.
Thats why back testing is the key. Use TDI with PA when you back test then you can and look for pullback candles etc to find set ups.
note what happens most of the time when TDI in the 68 and 32 zone. This is how...

thanks, Xman i will try to back test this way,
  • #4,168
  • Feb 10, 2012 2:30am Feb 10, 2012 2:30am
so, any position for this morning? i try a short, but it was a bad idea :/ even is the tred is very strong, and on the FT4 its seems to go down.
  • #4,169
  • Feb 10, 2012 2:39am Feb 10, 2012 2:39am
Im out for the week today im in no mood to look at charts. Im in weekend mode already.

I didnt get a good run from the E/U 1H method this week : pips won : 90 pips
pips lost : (20) pips
Total : 70 pips

Total trades : 5 trades
Won 3 trades lost 2 trades.

Pips from the 4H method :
Pips won : 160
Pips lost : 0
Total : 160

Total : 2 trades on E/A and A/U

and i made some pips by scalping the 5m charts Mon to Thurs.
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  • #4,170
  • Feb 10, 2012 2:47am Feb 10, 2012 2:47am
Quoting D.d.
hi guys , i would to know, what is your Profit / Risk ratio, many people said , even Xman in the beginning of this thread, that is important to have a high PR ration to cover losses, but, when i backtest this system, the volatility is so high, at the openings hours, that it's really difficult to have a TP supperior to a SL, i use a 30 pips SL, but sometimes i can only make 20 PIPs of profit, there's no way to make twice, or more than the SL
I agree, it's quite hard.
But if I understood what has been said in this thread, a 1:2 R:R is more important with systems having a win/loss of about 50%. As win/loss with this system should be consistently higher, a 1:1,5 R:R should be appropriated.
  • #4,171
  • Feb 10, 2012 2:52am Feb 10, 2012 2:52am
Quoting D.d.
so, any position for this morning? i try a short, but it was a bad idea :/ even is the tred is very strong, and on the FT4 its seems to go down.
Seems to me PA is trapped within the descending trendline from yesterday at 14:00GMT and the support at 1.3238.
Waiting for a tradeable break.
Reading "Trading in the Zone" in the meantime.
Very interesting.
  • #4,172
  • Feb 10, 2012 2:55am Feb 10, 2012 2:55am
Quoting Dr_Zulu
Seems to me PA is trapped within the descending trendline from yesterday at 14:00GMT and the support at 1.3238.
Waiting for a tradeable break.
Reading "Trading in the Zone" in the meantime.
Very interesting.

i will look at this book
i make my entrence perhaps e little soon, :/
when i backtest this methode, theres some weeks good, and other is the complete disaster, so finally i'm looking why i can't reach a high ratio of win trade, it's perhaps simple but not easy.
  • #4,173
  • Feb 10, 2012 2:58am Feb 10, 2012 2:58am
Quoting X-Man

...
Pips from the 4H method :
Pips won : 160
Pips lost : 0
Total : 160

Total : 2 trades on E/A and A/U

Congrats! Would you like to share the charts of these 2 trades? Unfortunatelly I missed both...
thrax
  • #4,174
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:04am Feb 10, 2012 3:04am
Quoting D.d.
i will look at this book
i make my entrence perhaps e little soon, :/
when i backtest this methode, theres some weeks good, and other is the complete disaster, so finally i'm looking why i can't reach a high ratio of win trade, it's perhaps simple but not easy.
Here we are.
We got the pennant break, the pullback candle and the TDI cross.
Waiting for an entry point round 1.3265 for a trade in the range.
  • #4,175
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:21am Feb 10, 2012 3:21am
Quoting X-Man
Im out for the week today im in no mood to look at charts. Im in weekend mode already.

I didnt get a good run from the E/U 1H method this week : pips won : 90 pips
pips lost : (20) pips
Total : 70 pips

Total trades : 5 trades
Won 3 trades lost 2 trades.

Pips from the 4H method :
Pips won : 160
Pips lost : 0
Total : 160

Total : 2 trades on E/A and A/U

and i made some pips by scalping the 5m charts Mon to Thurs.
...
how many trades for 4 H method.....I hope u see my point regarding the time frames...good luck
  • #4,176
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:25am Feb 10, 2012 3:25am
Quoting D.d.
i will look at this book
i make my entrence perhaps e little soon, :/
when i backtest this methode, theres some weeks good, and other is the complete disaster, so finally i'm looking why i can't reach a high ratio of win trade, it's perhaps simple but not easy.
Yes that is a really good book.
well D.d i would say that you entered a trade way before there was any such break of any kind. Your short trade from where i seen it was made on a guess. TDI showed nothing and PA is indecisive .

Never try to guess where price is going. Let the charts show you the way. We dont need all the pips from the start of the move , we just need some of it.
When we try to guess we will always lose. The market does not have mercy. It will slaughter you.
Ofcoz when we guess we have a 50% chance of been right but how long are we going to depend on luck if you want to be a long term trader you have to make logical decisions.

When you let the market show you the way then you will see how your win rate increases.

Why you think the market is open to individuals?
because on typical human behavior ( no discipline , no patience and greed ) These are qualities that every human possesses without a doubt.
Thats why 95% traders fail because its all based on human behavior.
The 5% learns to control their greed they train themselves to be discipline and patient.
Thats why the psychological aspect of trading is so important.

Do you think the market would be open to individuals if 95% of traders were successful? I really doubt it because the money would be filling the individuals pockets.

I met so many traders on this forum and slowly slowly they stop trading. Those are the traders that didnt put in much effort into trading (studying , back testing etc) , they gambled rather than trade.
I took this trading seriously i did not just blindly follow a thread. I did put in that effort of back testing and back testing , tweaking and tuning it to my style.
Once the effort is made then you will see how simple trading will become.
You will be able to fill your wheelbarrow with pips so easily
X-man the legendary conqueror of markets
  • #4,177
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:30am Feb 10, 2012 3:30am
Quoting Sanquir
how many trades for 4 H method.....I hope u see my point regarding the time frames...good luck
well as you can see i wrote down 2 trades for the 4H method.
80 pips each.
I can take way more than that by trading it the same way i trade the 1H method.

go to trading made simple and read all my posts there.
you will notice that i traded only the 4H charts ( which consisted of 8 pairs) and made a ton of pips with ease.

what point do you want us to see?
X-man the legendary conqueror of markets
  • #4,178
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:33am Feb 10, 2012 3:33am
Quoting Dr_Zulu
I agree, it's quite hard.
But if I understood what has been said in this thread, a 1:2 R:R is more important with systems having a win/loss of about 50%. As win/loss with this system should be consistently higher, a 1:1,5 R:R should be appropriated.
CMIIW, I think RR ratio is relevant only if you use a somewhat fixed stop loss (like Phx62). If your stop loss is for instance based on previous swing than RR is probably irrelevant.

For instance if using risk=1, reward=2, probability of winning 50%. You risk 25 pips in the first trade and win 50 pips. In the second trade you risk 50 piips and lost -50 pips. The net profit is zero.
  • #4,179
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:35am Feb 10, 2012 3:35am
Question regarding manual backtesting, I am finding it hard to record my results, often when i find a trade i state to myself the TP, SL and that i will move my StopLoss to BreakEven at + X amount of pips.
However as all the bars are complete, when the bar has moved in 2 directions it is impossible for me to say whether my TP was hit before my SL. Or if the amount of pips gain required to move my Stop to Breakeven was reached before the trade went and hit my SL.
I hope this makes sense, how anyone got around this would be much appreciated.
  • #4,180
  • Feb 10, 2012 3:37am Feb 10, 2012 3:37am
Quoting X-Man
Yes that is a really good book.
well D.d i would say that you entered a trade way before there was any such break of any kind. Your short trade from where i seen it was made on a guess. TDI showed nothing and PA is indecisive .

Never try to guess where price is going. Let the charts show you the way. We dont need all the pips from the start of the move , we just need some of it.
[size=3][color=blue]When we try to guess we will always lose....
Thanks for this, trader!
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