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  • #4,741
  • Jan 27, 2012 12:27pm Jan 27, 2012 12:27pm
Quoting johnjwong
I have to agree with RJ on this one, it is definitely a bullish hidden divergence, should enter long instead of short.

Check this out.

EDIT: The key to divergence is whenever you draw a line above price or the oscillator, it will always be a short (bearish divergence) and whenever you draw a line below price or the oscillator, it will always signal a long (bullish divergence), no matter if its regular, hidden, or exaggarated.
Well, I draw a proper line (blue one). The mistake for the red line is the stoch is not closing to the line and bounced back, instead came from the back of the line of the indicators, for the price it was okay to draw the red or the blue one.

PS: the same pattern seen on current test of 1.32
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  • #4,742
  • Jan 27, 2012 12:29pm Jan 27, 2012 12:29pm
Quoting lhDT
Hope you jumped into the E/U ride based on greek's rumours !
Signal sent by ... Symphonie

Edit : +65pips, nice for the end of the week ...

Nice I was out missed that one, but i love to see the system time after time show us good trades,, It builds up the confident to follow it like a robot
  • #4,743
  • Jan 27, 2012 1:22pm Jan 27, 2012 1:22pm
Quoting candletiger
I also want to share my findings while working on the MTF HA indi. I may be wrong in some aspects. If you have a different opinion, please share it.

Repainting (you cannot hear it anymore? )
I think the word repainting is widely used in this thread but different people have a different understanding what this is.

1. Any indi that does calculation on more than the open price is repainting the current bar (until closed). This is not really repainting, this is just work in progress.

2. Some indies re-calculate values...
Thank you for your hard work and explanation . . . again, TKS !

PD: What mean those numbers (prices?) on the right of the name of each TF?
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  • #4,744
  • Jan 27, 2012 2:38pm Jan 27, 2012 2:38pm
Quoting candletiger
I also want to share my findings while working on the MTF HA indi. I may be wrong in some aspects. If you have a different opinion, please share it.

Repainting (you cannot hear it anymore? )
I think the word repainting is widely used in this thread but different people have a different understanding what this is.

1. Any indi that does calculation on more than the open price is repainting the current bar (until closed). This is not really repainting, this is just work in progress.

2. Some indies re-calculate...
Thanks for you explanations.
We needed it to iron out many arguments.
  • #4,745
  • Jan 27, 2012 4:03pm Jan 27, 2012 4:03pm
Quoting Passerby
Well, I draw a proper line (blue one). The mistake for the red line is the stoch is not closing to the line and bounced back, instead came from the back of the line of the indicators, for the price it was okay to draw the red or the blue one.

PS: the same pattern seen on current test of 1.32
It's great that you (and others) are interested in divergence trading. It is a powerful weapon in your tool box. However, it is essential that you draw them correctly and identify them. The cheatsheet that johnjwong attached is perfect and you should keep it handy. Here is an easy to follow but very valuable few lessons on divergence trading.......have a read over the weekend, you'll be glad that you did
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  • #4,746
  • Jan 27, 2012 4:25pm Jan 27, 2012 4:25pm
Quoting wrapocs
symphonie and tdi signal
How would one use the combination of symphonie and Tdi? Do u us e them on separate charts? Please explain.. Thanks
  • #4,747
  • Jan 27, 2012 5:30pm Jan 27, 2012 5:30pm
Quoting candletiger
you need the Symphonie Matrix Indikator v1.7 (that itself needs several other indies). So, please attach 1.7 and check if all 4 rown are working.
Then attach the static version of 1.7. At least 2 columns should be shown, further growing over time.
If still not working, please check the journal and experts tabs for any message.
Thanks, will check it out.
  • #4,748
  • Jan 27, 2012 10:08pm Jan 27, 2012 10:08pm
Quoting lhDT
I went trough the code of all 4 indicators and I saw something in the "Symphonie trendlines".

What do you think ?

LhDT
So this is very nice! I did put it in my template yesterday and I think I will keep it there. In the code, do you use any specific rules / levels which need to be met before the turn of the slope is confirmed?

Thanks,

pbb
  • #4,749
  • Edited Jan 28, 2012 4:47am Jan 27, 2012 10:35pm | Edited Jan 28, 2012 4:47am
Quoting realjumper
It's great that you (and others) are interested in divergence trading. It is a powerful weapon in your tool box. However, it is essential that you draw them correctly and identify them. The cheatsheet that johnjwong attached is perfect and you should keep it handy. Here is an easy to follow but very valuable few lessons on divergence trading.......have a read over the weekend, you'll be glad that you did
Ah, bookmarked the site for a long time. Thanks for mentioning it, I will dig that site over the weekend.

Edit: Convergence(we called a hidden divergence a convergence in equities and math) and divergence is mostly accurate in equities, maybe approximately 30-40% of my profit in trading equities came from trading this pattern. I recalled when I only trade equities, when market is about to open I would screen my watch list for this pattern. In FX when we only monitor few pairs in shorter TF, this pattern often overlooked and the impact of the pattern is not so big compared when it occurs in equities. But like I always say, few additional pips wont hurts.
  • #4,750
  • Jan 28, 2012 6:16am Jan 28, 2012 6:16am
Quoting candletiger
Hi all,
my first version of the new MTF HA is available and ready for testing. Please consider it experimental, there may be still some bugs inside

Changes/features:
1. no external HA indi needed, it is coded inside
2. normal mode: as you know it, but with consistent repainting. It should always show the same, if you refresh or not.
3. static mode (option StaticView=true): this is basically a non-repainting mode for those who want to see later what the indi had shown live.
4. Alert generation (option AlarmOn=true): it will give...
Thanx so much for this candletiger. Can't wait to use it on Monday
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #4,751
  • Jan 28, 2012 7:39am Jan 28, 2012 7:39am
May not update these systems near page 1 for the best... I was confused to follow every development and there are indicators that update... Please...
  • #4,752
  • Edited 9:08pm Jan 28, 2012 9:22am | Edited 9:08pm
Quoting bidong
How would one use the combination of symphonie and Tdi? Do u us e them on separate charts? Please explain.. Thanks
the supertrendline is a TDI and/or macd + stochs. it measures divergence. at least that's what i have observed. it's similar to the TMS entry rules - wont be a valid signal, unless certain slopes of the oscillators are achieved.

when the body of the candle touches and crosses the supertrendline, then we have entered a ranging market. and you're suppose to bag your pips.

should the candle bounces off instead of breaking though, and it's a pin bar, you can re-enter again to the direction of the supertrendline.

the supertrendline briefly changes color and back to the previous color before the candle closes. when that happens the current trend has weakened. and this is where the repainting seems to be very useful - i have an early warning.

the extreme spike is supposed to act like the pin bar in the PA (price action) strategy. but its not yet fine tuned to do so, which makes entry a little late at times, especially when the market is wide-ranging. so it's best to view candle sticks.

technically, one can trade symphonie just using the supertrendlline and extreme spike but must disregard the spike if it's not a pin bar.

EDIT: sorry, supertrendline is CCI+ATR. but CCI is composed of RSI+stochs (??). and TDI is composed of RSI+stochs+ATR (??). their combinations measures divergence like MACD+stochs. i needed a better exit so i needed to understand why the supertrendline behaves the way it does and how i could maximize it. and now i have more winning exits!

no one ever mentioned about ranging markets and its relationship to the supertrendline piercing thru the candles. i was so consumed at the details, i missed the obvious, it was there all along staring back at me
  • #4,753
  • Edited 11:57am Jan 28, 2012 10:31am | Edited 11:57am
Great analysis yelena.
Look forward to more
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #4,754
  • Jan 29, 2012 4:35am Jan 29, 2012 4:35am
Quoting lhDT
See here, combi matrix indi aligned using slope. I took LONG on that one.
On normal matrix, got no signal.
Results : +18p
I also notice this occurrence, but most of the signal didn't produce a S/R break like the original one produce by the original indie because when the original system give signal the stoch mostly on overbought/oversold area. Yet, using slope could be helpful to scalp. I will test this on Asian session, I felt that using slope would add 20-30 pips daily(I hope this hold true). Thanks lhDT!
  • #4,755
  • Jan 29, 2012 5:52am Jan 29, 2012 5:52am
[quote=milani;5333258]Took part in a webinar yesterday by John Rawlins, who talked about...

Please don't post this here, it is a form of commercial advertising.

The indicator just looks like a variation of cog. Pm me and I can send

u a couple of versions.
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  • #4,756
  • Jan 29, 2012 11:31am Jan 29, 2012 11:31am
hi lhDT and candletiger,

I found this EA it uses cycle identifier and momentum, which i think are the spike and emo (??). it's already embedded with MM, just lacks senti and the trendline.

perhaps, this could help? obviously, the results aren't that good due to to missing components.
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  • #4,757
  • Jan 29, 2012 3:19pm Jan 29, 2012 3:19pm
What do you guys think about Cycle Projection Oscillator (CPO) developed by John Rawlins?
  • #4,758
  • Jan 29, 2012 4:53pm Jan 29, 2012 4:53pm
Quoting milani
What do you guys think about Cycle Projection Oscillator (CPO) developed by John Rawlins?
the cpo is just a gimmick - and identical to indicators you can obtain for free.

the CPO looks effective in the most part due to the fact that it excessively repaints. This fact also makes it difficult to trade in real time.

you are proving by the repeating of your initial question after my admonition that you are a complete newbie - or worse - an internet marketer hiding under the guise of a new profile.

It would be a shame that you were banned simply because you didn't know what you were doing was against the site's rules wouldn't it?
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  • #4,759
  • Jan 29, 2012 10:51pm Jan 29, 2012 10:51pm
Evaluator,

In a word - WOW! I have read through the thread and am compelled to let you know my sincere appreciation for you starting this thread, generously sharing all that you have, and showing true professionalism all the while. This has been the best thread that I have followed at FF, hands down. I am very grateful for the time that you have given to this thread and want you to know that I have learned some great things here. Thanks for taking the time to respond to so many questions as it has helped me understand the finer points and reinforced the fundamentals. I look forward to participating with everyone going forward.

It would be nice to be able to collaborate more and I read about there being a skype group. I sent a message to Chris, but have not received an invitation. Is there a skype group still active?

I would also like to give a shout out to all the regular contributors - too many to name and I wouldn't want to leave anyone out. A big thanks to all of you! Your posts have been very insightful and the work on the indis has something for everyone to make it a little easier in recognizing the signals. Keep up the great work!

Many pips to all!
  • #4,760
  • Jan 30, 2012 1:38am Jan 30, 2012 1:38am
IhDT

On 2 of my mt accounts the 1,8 matrix indicator shows no red blocks (only blue) for the extreme (on any time frame). Any idea why? Does anyone else get the same?
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