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  • #29,561
  • Jan 6, 2012 4:19am Jan 6, 2012 4:19am
Quoting balance001
Hi, Sonicers!

Whera can I find al these Indicatirs and Template. Thanks.
What's wrong with what's included in Post#1?!
  • #29,562
  • Jan 6, 2012 4:24am Jan 6, 2012 4:24am
Quoting paapi
Hello mfbz_87...

It seems like u r new to forex.., if so please study the basics that is available at babypips.com and then it will become easier for you.

the TP1 and TP2 are prior support/resistance levels at which the sonickers take their profits "TP=take profit" and it is not provided by any broker, but it is drawn by the trader (i.e., sonic or philip or whoever trades). Hope this helps.
i have read the baby pip and sonic tread until 400pg so far...:-)...now i search the most selected and the most trusted broker cz i want to try to start live account...u have any idea?...this is my demo trade...:-)...to early i guess..

p/s: sorry for my broken english...:-)
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  • #29,563
  • Jan 6, 2012 4:28am Jan 6, 2012 4:28am
buy stop on 1.55155.
Is this a correct Sonic.R setup or not? Let the market decide...

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  • #29,564
  • Edited 4:48am Jan 6, 2012 4:29am | Edited 4:48am
Quoting nando_rich
Bravo!!!

Perfect trade.
No, not perfect, Nando. Good. This method, near as I can figure right now, might average an add of 20 pips to a trade. But, there are questions.

1. Is the early entry as safe, or not? Or, is it actually safer when considering it's nearer location to the SL?
2. Is the early termination too conservative, or not? Is it what Hansma recommends?

Look at the attached. By the looks of it, PA has not yet begun the true run, because the PA pattern suggests more is coming. A perfect trade would not ignore this, would it?

What Hansma is doing is facinating. I am trying to hammer it down in easy to understand, and easy to look for, steps......so that it can be easily taught. I am waiting for Hansma's reply to my previous post. This could be the final nailing down of that elusive "early entry" trade mentioned by ddaytrader,....what?....almost two years ago?

Hansma is the first person to generate a "template" for this "early entry" trade, simple and well defined it looks like. I just want to be sure I see it as he sees it, to understand his confidence in it.

An interesting thing......he is in and out of his trade already, with maybe 17 gross pips on part 1, and maybe 34 gross pips on part 2. But, he is already out with profit. Those entering per standard Sonic R. are still waiting for PA to get up off its ass and move! That is a pretty interesting situation comparision!
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  • #29,565
  • Jan 6, 2012 4:34am Jan 6, 2012 4:34am
Quoting ashkan_no9
buy stop on 1.55155.
Is this a correct Sonic.R setup or not? Let the market decide...

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Valid PA wave. Sonic R. prescribed EP would be at least several pips beyond the first candle out of the Dragon in Leg3 of your PA wave. Valid TP and SL choices.
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  • #29,566
  • Jan 6, 2012 5:03am Jan 6, 2012 5:03am
Quoting traderathome
Nice going, hansma.

Ok, to confirm.....with this method we look for the normal proper PA wave (light brown). But we also look to see if Leg1 of that wave contains the series of three Ls and Hs, as shown (black). At the time the normal PA wave seems to have put in the end of Leg2, we immediately look to see if that is the same area as any of the three Ls. And if it is, then you always feel comfortable with the early FE 24% area entry......? .......even if the normal proper PA wave does not extend thru the Dragon? (It did in this case. What if...
Looking at todayīs 15 min charts for EU/GU the wave sequence is not clear
for using this method.

Gu on the 5 min chart is also a mess - so no entry.

For me to use this method the low must be at a point where the buying starts
i.e the origin of the upmove - and price must come back to test this level or
the lower high level showing that there are still buyers there.

What actually goes on with those moves is that when price goes up and down in this sequence is that price is starting to remove supply for further movement up later on.

You can go with the L-H-LH if you want - I just want the extra confirmation
of the retest.

As far as the dragon is concerned, whether or not price moves through it, I donīt bother too much, cause most of the times price is well away of the dragon anyway.

With regards to the FE 24 level I always feel good about entering there, cause I know when price has made that sequence there is no or little supply
left in that area, and price is free to go up.

I hope Iīm not rambeling to much.

Regards,
H.
"The future is already written in the past"
  • #29,567
  • Jan 6, 2012 5:15am Jan 6, 2012 5:15am
Quoting traderathome
Valid PA wave. Sonic R. prescribed EP would be at least several pips beyond the first candle out of the Dragon in Leg3 of your PA wave. Valid TP and SL choices.
Hi TAH
Thanks for your comment.

This is another setup for AU.
Buy stop at 1.02680

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  • #29,568
  • Jan 6, 2012 5:35am Jan 6, 2012 5:35am
Quoting traderathome
Never! Hansma and you have pimped out our poor Dragon! Her purpose was to give us loyal Sonikers a place of entry, but you have her catering to all manner of defilements in support of your own all to eager entries elsewhere! Look at what you have done to her, stripping away her natural elegance. You now look at her only in terms of + and -.

Shame on you both!

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i am with you on this master tah
  • #29,569
  • Jan 6, 2012 6:05am Jan 6, 2012 6:05am
Quoting hansma
Looking at todayīs 15 min charts for EU/GU the wave sequence is not clear
for using this method.

Gu on the 5 min chart is also a mess - so no entry.

For me to use this method the low must be at a point where the buying starts
i.e the origin of the upmove - and price must come back to test this level or
the lower high level showing that there are still buyers there.

What actually goes on with those moves is that when price goes up and down in this sequence is that price is starting to remove supply for further movement up later on.

You can...
Hans, this is not rambling. This is instruction by way of your very clear explanation of what is going on, and therefore, the logic of it. This is gold here, Hans.

Sonic R. is primarily about PA waves, and support and resistance. The Dragon is to help define the entry level in a standard Sonic R. setup. You are using PA waves and S&R themselves to define the entry level. This seems a better method, if it can be done in a consistent manner that is mostly reliable. And it seems your method is.

I want to learn this, because this is the kind of thing that can take the Sonic R. System to a higher, purer level that is still simple, but more exacting and likely more reliably profitable.

Please keep your comments on your method coming Hansma, with each trade you make.

I know Sonicdeejay is committed to the concept of using PA waves and S&R to locate the trade. I do not believe he is "married" to the Dragon, not if a more reliable entry method based on PA and S&R themselves is shown to exist. That is why I intend now to spend time on your method.

Hans, thank you for what you have been doing here,
-tah
  • #29,570
  • Jan 6, 2012 6:13am Jan 6, 2012 6:13am
Quoting siraj282
i am with you on this master tah
Not so fast there, siraj. I was joking with Frank and Hansma. But the more I come to understand what Hansma is doing, and the logic behind it, the more persuaded I become that he is using a method to find the trade entry that is more in-line with the essence of the Sonic R. System than is the Dragon!

Yeah, I know! It is hard to imagine Sonic R. without the Dragon, but the contest is now on to see which method of finding entry is more reliably profitable.
  • #29,571
  • Jan 6, 2012 6:16am Jan 6, 2012 6:16am
Quoting traderathome
Yeah, I know! It is hard to imagine Sonic R. without the Dragon, but the contest is now on to see which method of finding entry is more reliably profitable.
Rather than conentrating on finding which method of entry is more profitable, wouldn't it be more productive to find the method of exit which is more profitable? I only say this because it appears that you have traded without a SL previously. Is this something that you continue to do?
  • #29,572
  • Jan 6, 2012 6:50am Jan 6, 2012 6:50am
it would be counter productive if you leave one of them behind my friend, a trade to be productive both entry and exits must be at most precise. the thing is we dont have enough ammo to determine the precise exits, we are just on the mercy on the level of knowledge we have to estimate how far each move will go and capture some part or most of it.

in terms of SL's i am not really a fan of it as well unless i am securing a profit. as far as ive learned here on FF most of the brokers capitalize on this SL's, call them sitting ducks, hunt them and clober them. the point is if youre nervous everytime you entry the trade because you are concerned the SL's will be hit then you probably overtraded your account. when i enter the market i dont care if it turn against me 100 pip, im assured it will not hurt my account so much, ill just have to close and reverse my position if im not sure of my position. but if the market goes with me i attack it like theres no tomorrow.
  • #29,573
  • Jan 6, 2012 7:51am Jan 6, 2012 7:51am
Quoting Musashi
Rather than conentrating on finding which method of entry is more profitable, wouldn't it be more productive to find the method of exit which is more profitable? I only say this because it appears that you have traded without a SL previously. Is this something that you continue to do?
i am using this bollinger bands stop and reverse indicator for my exits...note-only for exits, trades are activated only by valid sonic method...i stick on to this indicator when i have very little knowledge about where to exit
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  • #29,574
  • Jan 6, 2012 8:15am Jan 6, 2012 8:15am
Hello to all,

I'm a new member of this forum...
I'm reading this topic, and try to learn this strategy...
Please tell me, what can i do, if I'm IN TRADE already, and the red bar appears...
It happened today, with GU long you suggested... I did nothing, and finally, hits the SL
I have to exit from the trade in the moment it appears, even the trade is in minus...?

I hope I don't ask elementary thing...

Thx,
secatt
  • #29,575
  • Jan 6, 2012 8:20am Jan 6, 2012 8:20am
Hi all,

I have started to read this system. Was wondering, the rules are still the same as it was in the beginning of thread? Or has it improved along the years?

Cheers
Yameen
Prefer Price Action Method!
  • #29,576
  • Jan 6, 2012 8:43am Jan 6, 2012 8:43am
Quoting siraj282
i am using this bollinger bands stop and reverse indicator for my exits...note-only for exits, trades are activated only by valid sonic method...i stick on to this indicator when i have very little knowledge about where to exit
Yes I've seen this before, the best exit strategy that I employ is exit at the next price level in the market.. xx50 xx00 xx25 xx75 as price tends to hit them and react quite frequently...

This is not a lagging exit strategy either, and it does not repaint...
  • #29,577
  • Jan 6, 2012 8:43am Jan 6, 2012 8:43am
Quoting secatt
Hello to all,

I'm a new member of this forum...
I'm reading this topic, and try to learn this strategy...
Please tell me, what can i do, if I'm IN TRADE already, and the red bar appears...
It happened today, with GU long you suggested... I did nothing, and finally, hits the SL
I have to exit from the trade in the moment it appears, even the trade is in minus...?

I hope I don't ask elementary thing...

Thx,
secatt
hi secatt, welcome to the thread...the red volume bar indicates a sudden increase in trading volume...we use that as a tool to estimate where bigboys are interested in...it has nothing to do with the exits when price action hasnt really moved from where you have entered...
one simplified way to look at it is , when the red vol bar appears in the bottom of a downtrend it could be the possible stopping volume , on the contrary when the green vol bar shows up in the top of an uptrend it could also be a probable stoppping vol...getting stopped is also an integral part of trading ...after all no system can give you one hundred percent accuracy...if you are starting your trading career , dont worry you are in the right place...read the thraed constanatly.....hope it helps...
  • #29,578
  • Jan 6, 2012 8:46am Jan 6, 2012 8:46am
Quoting Musashi
Yes I've seen this before, the best exit strategy that I employ is exit at the next price level in the market.. xx50 xx00 xx25 xx75 as price tends to hit them and react quite frequently...

This is not a lagging exit strategy either, and it does not repaint...
yeah thank you...will be taking a note of your exit strategy...
  • #29,579
  • Jan 6, 2012 8:56am Jan 6, 2012 8:56am
Quoting siraj282
hi secatt, welcome to the thread...the red volume bar indicates a sudden increase in trading volume...we use that as a tool to estimate where bigboys are interested in...it has nothing to do with the exits when price action hasnt really moved from where you have entered...
one simplified way to look at it is , when the red vol bar appears in the bottom of a downtrend it could be the possible stopping volume , on the contrary when the green vol bar shows up in the top of an uptrend it could also be a probable stoppping vol...getting stopped is also...
thx
I'm a little bit confused now...all of the trades you suggested (and i was sure, they are all ok...) hits the SL... AUDUSD... EU...GU...
And it was not demo...
  • #29,580
  • Jan 6, 2012 9:36am Jan 6, 2012 9:36am
Quoting secatt
thx
I'm a little bit confused now...all of the trades you suggested (and i was sure, they are all ok...) hits the SL... AUDUSD... EU...GU...
And it was not demo...
Just some friendly advise - do not trade what others suggest - at least
not on a live account.

Treat it for what it is - a suggestion - and learn to trade for yourself.

Anyway heres a little clue on which side of the market you should be looking at - along with possible s+r areas.

Itīs simply the "Dragon" set to 89 MA - gives you an easy way to measure

the strenght of the market.

Regards,
H.
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