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  • #3,601
  • Dec 15, 2011 9:38am Dec 15, 2011 9:38am
Quoting realjumper
My trading day, for all currency pairs begins 1 hour before Frankfurt opens, and ends about 3 hours after London opens. I know what you mean about the GU charts being messy, they certainly can be at times but if you look to another time frame, sometimes the picture is much clearer. During early London yesterday, the M5 and M15 were not offering anything so I changed to the M1 chart. The M1, while not offering huge pips per trade, was very trade-able with a +9, +12 and +29 trades. There were some better trades later, that the M5 could handle, but...
RJ,

I have a question for you. Seems your are one the most successful trader with this strategy here

Did you strictly follow the rules for entry ? I mean when all 4 indicators are inline or your trades are triggered based on something else like rsi or stochs ?
I'm asking that because when I follow it strictly I'm always too late or a the end of the move. (Exception of huge moves of course.)
It means I always have to wait until of full swing up or down happens and that means huge negative pips in the hope of swing in the oppposite to be in profit.

thx,
Lio
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  • #3,602
  • Dec 15, 2011 10:11am Dec 15, 2011 10:11am
Quoting lhDT
I think it is too stupid to give up so I restarted from scratch and made a new one based on the latest Steve's shell.
thanks!!!
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  • #3,603
  • Dec 15, 2011 10:58am Dec 15, 2011 10:58am
hi active traders,

I'm not so often posting, but have recently found (few days ago) this nice thread, so i've tested it, made some tweaks and finally removed the indicators proposed/used to run symphonie due to system slowing down / freezing too often.

On the same spirit now i use some other indis.
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  • #3,604
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:07am Dec 15, 2011 11:07am
Quoting dinofx
hi active traders,

I'm not so often posting, but have recently found (few days ago) this nice thread, so i've tested it, made some tweaks and finally removed the indicators proposed/used to run symphonie due to system slowing down / freezing too often.

On the same spirit now i use some other indis.
Bloody hell mate!! hats off to you if you can read those charts...
  • #3,605
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:09am Dec 15, 2011 11:09am
Quoting lhDT
Hi Symphonie fans !

So, a long time ago I worked with Eval on an EA for this system. I finally give up because it gave bad results in backtests mainly due to repainting. An EA is still an EA . You will see, this is the version 48 I think, lol !

I think it is too stupid to give up so I restarted from scratch and made a new one based on the latest Steve's shell. It isn't really an EA because it won't trigger trades. You will just have a popup+sound alert when all conditions are met.

So, it follows strict rules, when all fours are same color,...
Hi LhDT thank you very much !
I have a problem when in compile this message

Compiling 'Symphonie_EA_v1.0047.mq4'...
'end_of_program' - ending bracket '}' expected Crogram FilesMeta Trader - Forex Place 4expertsSymphonie_EA_v1.0047.mq4 (3717, 5)
1 error(s), 0 warning(s)

to ignore it?

FxHope

EDIT - cant run the EA with the ERROR
  • #3,606
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:21am Dec 15, 2011 11:21am
Quoting FxHope
Hi LhDT thank you very much !
I have a problem when in compile this message

Compiling 'Symphonie_EA_v1.0047.mq4'...
'end_of_program' - ending bracket '}' expected Crogram FilesMeta Trader - Forex Place 4expertsSymphonie_EA_v1.0047.mq4 (3717, 5)
1 error(s), 0 warning(s)

to ignore it?

FxHope

EDIT - cant run the EA with the ERROR
Strange ... you don't need to compile it.
What did you changed ?

Anyway, I will update the first post because I saw a bug.
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  • #3,607
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:24am Dec 15, 2011 11:24am
Quoting Evaluator
MaryJane..

Any luck at automation? (i.e. EA)
Inquiring minds wish to know.

Eval.

Hi Eval,

I am working on it. I have been off-line for a while dealing with a death in the family. If you would rather MJ work on it, that is fine.

Rick
  • #3,608
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:28am Dec 15, 2011 11:28am
Sorry guys, there was a bug in the RSI value calculation. It's fixed.
A new version V1.0048 has been posted here.

I also added stochastics to look for an overbought or oversold position.
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  • #3,609
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:30am Dec 15, 2011 11:30am
Quoting rmyers
Hi Eval,

I am working on it. I have been off-line for a while dealing with a death in the family. If you would rather MJ work on it, that is fine.

Rick
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  • #3,610
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:31am Dec 15, 2011 11:31am
Quoting lhDT
Maybe we can build something together ...
That would be fine.

Rick
  • #3,611
  • Dec 15, 2011 11:48am Dec 15, 2011 11:48am
Quoting lhDT
Strange ... you don't need to compile it.
What did you changed ?

Anyway, I will update the first post because I saw a bug.
the EA dose not working on my 2 platforms. the same message.
strange... if someone have an idea i'll be glad
anyway thanks
  • #3,612
  • Dec 15, 2011 12:04pm Dec 15, 2011 12:04pm
Quoting lhDT
RJ,

I have a question for you. Seems your are one the most successful trader with this strategy here


thx,
Lio
Hi Lio,

Very nice work on this ea. I saw your question for RJ and however the question is not directed to me, I think to have some input. At least it works ok for me as a guide.

About 1.5 years ago their was a thread about TVI and ALF. In that thread the TVI was used as a filter. The settings they used where kind of fast. I have used it in my trading ever since. I have set the parameters to 21/21/8 and that works for me. No holy grail, just feel save using it. In tight ranging markets it won't work, which is true for almost anything.

There is one small problem. The TVI itself doesn't repaint, but the histogram version does. Using offline charts the histogram doesn't repaint, so I think it would be fine when it's coded/changed to refresh at bar's closing.The tvi, is faster then the symph trendline indy, it keeps on track in a trend and some times it's choppy as hell.

Another thing I use in conjuction with the filtering next to the tvi is drawing simple trendlines. For that you can use adjustable fractals (the normal are drawing to many h/l) or use a zigzag with the settings you like. In the end you can also use TD-lines (Demark) which works kind of the same as fractals and zigzag, you can adjust that one as well and also choose to autamatically draw the last two up/down trendlines.

I am a short term trader, using mainly timeframes below 5min, so it's possible to have another look at the settings. I only trade in the EU and early US session and don't have a clue how and if it works during Asian sessions or whatever.

Hope it helps. and if so, maybe you can take a look at the histogram. As a coder you might see what's wrong with it.

pbb
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  • #3,613
  • Dec 15, 2011 12:54pm Dec 15, 2011 12:54pm
Quoting lhDT
RJ,

I have a question for you. Seems your are one the most successful trader with this strategy here

Did you strictly follow the rules for entry ? I mean when all 4 indicators are inline or your trades are triggered based on something else like rsi or stochs ?
I'm asking that because when I follow it strictly I'm always too late or a the end of the move. (Exception of huge moves of course.)
It means I always have to wait until of full swing up or down happens and that means huge negative pips in the hope of swing in the oppposite to...

Hi ,

If am' not wrong Eval earlier gave trading tip for that case, for example all 4 indicators are one color and say price goes up but when you consult stochatic and it says overbougth (~80) then wait till lines goes down along with PA and only then consider going long. Same logic for short.
  • #3,614
  • Dec 15, 2011 1:12pm Dec 15, 2011 1:12pm
Quoting pbb
Hi Lio,

Very nice work on this ea. I saw your question for RJ and however the question is not directed to me, I think to have some input. At least it works ok for me as a guide.

About 1.5 years ago their was a thread about TVI and ALF. In that thread the TVI was used as a filter. The settings they used where kind of fast. I have used it in my trading ever since. I have set the parameters to 21/21/8 and that works for me. No holy grail, just feel save using it. In tight ranging markets it won't work, which is true for almost anything.

There...
Hi Pbb,

Thanks for your reply and input !

Yes indeed I use hi-lows trendlines and also channels based on ZZ (13,5,5). Attached are the two indicators I use. It draws everything, pretty easy and runs fine.

Currently, I trigger the trades based on symphonie but without cycles or trendline. I have an idea where I am with support and resistance but I mainly trigger based on stochs and rsi zone.

I will look for the histogram but can't promise I will be able to do something. Working with cycles is always subject to repainting.

Cheers,
Lio
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  • #3,615
  • Dec 15, 2011 2:15pm Dec 15, 2011 2:15pm
Quoting lhDT
RJ,

I have a question for you. Seems your are one the most successful trader with this strategy here

Did you strictly follow the rules for entry ? I mean when all 4 indicators are inline or your trades are triggered based on something else like rsi or stochs ?
I'm asking that because when I follow it strictly I'm always too late or a the end of the move. (Exception of huge moves of course.)
It means I always have to wait until of full swing up or down happens and that means huge negative pips in the hope of swing in the oppposite to be in...
I have explained my method of entry a few times now......here's a chart from yesterdays London session......this is an M5 chart and it should be pretty easy for you to follow.....
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  • #3,616
  • Dec 15, 2011 3:29pm Dec 15, 2011 3:29pm
Quoting realjumper
I have explained my method of entry a few times now......here's a chart from yesterdays London session......this is an M5 chart and it should be pretty easy for you to follow.....
Hi realjumper!

I have your M1 zip and use it now on demo to get it all right, and i like it,

on the picture you now attached here i can see it differ,, the "Exprimental spikes" on bottom are gone, have you stopt use them???

/KennyForex
  • #3,617
  • Dec 15, 2011 4:03pm Dec 15, 2011 4:03pm
Quoting realjumper
I have explained my method of entry a few times now......here's a chart from yesterdays London session......this is an M5 chart and it should be pretty easy for you to follow.....
Hi realjumper can You please check chart on 12.12.2011 (all day down trend). I have counted at least 3 buy entry's based on (spikes + stoch rise above 20 level+sentiment+m.emotion) but if you wait for extreme spike for exit there is no spike for all day. We can not know that price will go down for all day long, Symphony trendline will protect us to not enter a buy position,do you have defense from this kind of market if you don't wait for trendline confirmation, thanks?
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  • #3,618
  • Dec 15, 2011 4:39pm Dec 15, 2011 4:39pm
Quoting lhDT
Hi Pbb,

I will look for the histogram but can't promise I will be able to do something. Working with cycles is always subject to repainting.

Cheers,
Lio
Lio, what I don't understand is that as the tvi itself doesn't repaint, why the tvi-histogram does. The histogram should color blue as long as the tvi value of the current bar closes above the value of the previous bar and red for a lower close. I am not à coder, got the indicator from Lou G's thread. I think it has to do with the bar's close. Anyway, it's doing à good job for me as long as I refresh it once in à while.

Will try the zigzag, didn't have those versions. I use TD-lines.

pbb
  • #3,619
  • Edited 5:31pm Dec 15, 2011 4:57pm | Edited 5:31pm
Quoting pbb
Lio, what I don't understand is that as the tvi itself doesn't repaint, why the tvi-histogram does.
Hi pbb please don't be angry as i forgot about your tvi issue! now i read your post and realized i had a debate with Lou G earlier - a problem with arrays. check out the attached and let me know, if it draws ok (it does in tester), i'll make a 'clean', cpu-friendly version (no need for 'tvi.mq4' and no array resizing on each tick).
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  • #3,620
  • Dec 15, 2011 5:58pm Dec 15, 2011 5:58pm
Quoting KennyForex
Hi realjumper!

I have your M1 zip and use it now on demo to get it all right, and i like it,

on the picture you now attached here i can see it differ,, the "Exprimental spikes" on bottom are gone, have you stopt use them???

/KennyForex
The attached pic is not the m1 chart....it is the m5 chart, as I said. The template you refer to I use exclusively for M1 trading, although I do sometimes flick over to M5. Generally though, I use that template solely for m1 trading
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