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  • #841
  • Oct 19, 2010 12:39am Oct 19, 2010 12:39am
The concept is interesting, no doubt. But, because the indicator repaints, you may develop a trading system based on it, but that cannot be backtested effectively, only forward testing can give true results (demo or real).

And if there's a non-repainting version of it, it is definitely not going to be the same, as the original indicator "is supposed" to repaint based on last n number of bars to show the latest center of gravity for those bars.

But, even the repainting version, can be used as a guidance of direction, for any trades you are willing to initiate using other indicators/techniques.
  • #842
  • Oct 19, 2010 3:47pm Oct 19, 2010 3:47pm
I really don't know much about the implications caused by the number of bars plotted and the repaint effect. I have recorded somewhere a version of this sys that promises not to repaint. I'll try to find and post here and do some testing.
  • #843
  • Nov 11, 2010 8:24am Nov 11, 2010 8:24am
Is there any chance I am lucky and someone has the COG Indicator used for this system for Tradestation? As opposed to MT4, Tradestation Indicators are written in "Easylanguage".
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  • #844
  • Nov 15, 2010 11:14am Nov 15, 2010 11:14am
As I said, I found out the version of no repaint COG MT4 that promisses no repaint. Make a test and please post here. Actually I have no time to test it. Enjoy...
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  • #845
  • Nov 19, 2010 8:09am Nov 19, 2010 8:09am
This is my kind of system. Wish I could test with Forex Tester 2 though. But COG indicator would need to be recoded for that. However Im Manually trading with moving average crosses alone in the simulator. Using 1 mini lot for every thousand in the account, and so far the account doubled in less than 1 month! Without the COG! Will continue testing....
  • #846
  • Nov 20, 2010 3:30am Nov 20, 2010 3:30am
Hi Flava,

Nice to know you are trading well even just with MA crosses!

For better understanding understanding, can you elaborate on the basics of your strategy, like timeframe, pair, SL/TP, which kind of MA cross etc.?

This will help further develop the COG strategy being discussed here..

Thanks!
  • #847
  • Nov 23, 2010 11:25am Nov 23, 2010 11:25am
MA crosses alone are not enough. They can be used as a basis for entry but need additional support.
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  • #848
  • Dec 6, 2010 1:06pm Dec 6, 2010 1:06pm
Hey endroute,

Quick question- you still using it? i would love to learn it if you still making pips with it. I don't need any expert advise.

Cheers
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  • #849
  • Mar 17, 2011 11:49am Mar 17, 2011 11:49am
Quoting masilva
Hi endroute,

Thanks for the system. Looks very simple and effective.

Could you please look at the chart and confirm if I'm right with my comments ?

They assume that we wait for EMA cross for exit.

Regards

MS
You are backtesting a COG that calculates itself on recent data, so when you should have put those positions at the market the COG did not look like that. Watch it live, its meaningless when its not live. Try it on M1 or something just to see how it changes (takes longer to see on H1). There is another COG that works another way, it functions more like an envelope thingie.
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  • #850
  • Mar 22, 2011 5:42am Mar 22, 2011 5:42am
Thanks for sharing your great method!

I use 5 to 20 days for the MA and keep it simple
- long when price crosses to above MA from below
- short when price crosses to below MA from above

For EMA% = 2/(#days + 1) bark it twice
  • #851
  • Sep 21, 2011 2:04am Sep 21, 2011 2:04am
Can somone please comment on my entry?
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  • #852
  • Nov 3, 2011 8:33am Nov 3, 2011 8:33am
should I wait for bar close to enter
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  • #853
  • Dec 4, 2011 12:37am Dec 4, 2011 12:37am
Hi Everybody.

Just tried this COG indi but with original setting. By adding the Support and Resistant line , I discovered that the price really respect the S n R along with the COG itself. Although there are alot of discussion about the COG repaint but the SNR did not. IMHO it isn't a good idea if we keep on changing /adding indi in our chart but ignore the important ones.

Just sharing.. Have a nice trading.
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  • #854
  • Dec 6, 2011 1:54am Dec 6, 2011 1:54am
Quoting endroute
Buy:
Bar closes below the bottom Green line on the COG followed by the 5/13 EMA cross. You can close the trade at the next EMA cross or use just wait for price to move to the opposite side of the COG indicator
Hello everyone...and thanks, EndRoute for sharing this method. I've read through this thread, but not every post, so if the following question has already been answered, please feel free to let me know.

I have found that a 5/13 ema cross usually happens once price has already come back through the outer green COG and sometimes already back to the blue middle line. Am I right in assuming that a "proper" MA cross can only be validated once the bar closes? If so, I have found that most of the ema crosses are validated a little bit late into the move. Is there a way to enter earlier and reduce the necessary SL needed? Please see this picture as an example of my question: http://screencast.com/t/cBObRUb20wQ

Thank you for your time,
NeoRio
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  • #855
  • Dec 13, 2011 9:04pm Dec 13, 2011 9:04pm
Hi Neo,

I too have been looking at this system and like its potential. As this thread has effectively died and is not being maintained - i feel that discussions on finding an earlier entry are justified.

Firstly I am in the process of testing whether using this sytem with renko bars would be preferrable. I expect it would make it easier to pick reversals early and trade price back towards the center line.

There is another thread in which someone uses Cog and combines it with pivots/fibs. We could look for a candlestick reversal pattern at pivots + green line - which i am sure would be effective in getting in early. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...113602&page=10

Another method i will test this weekend is to use Divergence's Flag Trading The Trend entry - which is basically wait until the bar where CCI goes beyond 50+/- and trade the next bar as it breaks the hi/lo. the reason this may work is that the entry is a little later than a lot of entries - but not as late as an MA cross. Due to being late it filters out a number of false entries.

Anyway - this is something i am interested in testing so let me know if you come up with anything that is highly effective and I will let you know how my own testing goes.

cheers
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  • #856
  • Dec 13, 2011 9:35pm Dec 13, 2011 9:35pm
What is COG? How to set up COG like the graphic presented?
  • #857
  • Dec 13, 2011 9:57pm Dec 13, 2011 9:57pm
Quoting Ping Chu
What is COG? How to set up COG like the graphic presented?

CoG stands for Centre of Gravity. Have a look at the first few pages of this thread for indy and settings.
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  • #858
  • Edited 5:08pm Dec 18, 2011 4:45pm | Edited 5:08pm
Just wanted to post an update regarding the tests i indicated i was going to make.

I have found a commercial cog that i prefer. Obviously i can't indicate what it is - but i look for a price spike at an extreme price level - followed by two lower highs(in uptrend)/higher lows (in downtrend) - as long as price hasn't retraced too far towards the center and there are no pivot lines between price and the center - i will enter for a quick 1/2R on most of my position and let the rest of it run and exit at a ma cross.

As i am aiming for 1/2R on most of my position - my hit rate is very high - and trailing a portion of the position increases my actual R/R rate to closer to 1:1.
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  • #859
  • Dec 20, 2011 1:11am Dec 20, 2011 1:11am
[quote=Sarythsaya;5220868]Hi Neo,

Quoting Sarythsaya
I too have been looking at this system and like its potential. As this thread has effectively died and is not being maintained - i feel that discussions on finding an earlier entry are justified.
Hey there, Sary...great to hear back from someone on this thread...I thought it had completely died out.

Quoting Sarythsaya
Firstly I am in the process of testing whether using this sytem with renko bars would be preferrable. I expect it would make it easier to pick reversals early and trade price back towards the center line.
Please let us know how your tests with Renko bars are going.

Quoting Sarythsaya
Another method i will test this weekend is to use Divergence's Flag Trading The Trend entry - which is basically wait until the bar where CCI goes beyond 50+/- and trade the next bar as it breaks the hi/lo. the reason this may work is that the entry is a little later than a lot of entries - but not as late as an MA cross. Due to being late it filters out a number of false entries.
Nice ideas. I recently tried slapping the ALF indicator on charts and turned off the MA cross. I've used the ALF on smaller TFs, but it seems to be very similar to the 5/13 MA cross as well...even a little earlier. I still am no happy with the entry places, because on the H1, the cross will usually happen late. I'm starting to think that either dropping to the M30 or M15 (after an H1 candle closes above the COG), might be the most effective way to get in the position before it's too late. Either that, or just take an MA (or ALF) cross before the candle actually closes...and just take a chance on the initial cross hoping the candle will close as a successful cross.

Of course using Pivots, Fibs and RNs is something I do with most of my trading anyways, so I've slapped those on my chart...and candlestick formations are great too...but on the H1, if you wait for those things to confirm, you usually miss most of the move.

Best Regards
...and Merry Christmas to all,

NeoRio
Sentiment: Short on cash. Long on hope.
  • #860
  • Edited Feb 20, 2012 6:39am Feb 19, 2012 1:20pm | Edited Feb 20, 2012 6:39am
Quoting NeoRio
Hello everyone...and thanks, EndRoute for sharing this method. I've read through this thread, but not every post, so if the following question has already been answered, please feel free to let me know.

I have found that a 5/13 ema cross usually happens once price has already come back through the outer green COG and sometimes already back to the blue middle line. Am I right in assuming that a "proper" MA cross can only be validated once the bar closes? If so, I have found that most of the ema crosses are validated a little bit late into...
Instead of using the EMA's I'd go down to a 4 times lower time frame and look for a trendline break. An additional advantage would be you can work with smaller stop losses too.

IMHO the COG only serves as a trend direction filter while everyone should know a trend is established and in progress as long as we can identify higher highs and higher lows and vice versa. In case of an uptrend, as soon as we see a lower high and consecutively a lower low, there's a big chance we're dealing with a trend reversal.... Therefore working with a smaller timeframe combined with a trendline break would give far better entries.

Happy Trading,

Cheers

Peter a.k.a. Dutchie
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