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  • #28,761
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:10am Dec 7, 2011 3:10am
EU:

Entered M5 SonicR short (EP= 1.3425).
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  • #28,762
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:19am Dec 7, 2011 3:19am
Quoting traderathome
EU:

Entered M5 SonicR short (EP= 1.3425).
Same trade, a bit higher order
  • #28,763
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:21am Dec 7, 2011 3:21am
UCad:

Entered M5 SonicR long (EP= 1.0083).
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  • #28,764
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:26am Dec 7, 2011 3:26am
Quoting Doncex
Oh yes every week "tons" of pips

I wish you to understand reality
Quoting traderathome
Doncex, there you go, making accusations again. You are trying to put words in my mouth, and then refute your very own words!

It might be you that needs a reality check.

Hey, if you are so gung-ho on whatever "improvements" you refer to, then I challenge you to start posting some successful trades based on your "improvements". Do you care enough to share? Actually, even just one such trade would be a good start. How about it, Doncex?

Oh, and make that a LIVE TRADE.

As for your "tons of pips", I think you are greedy. Remember...

Hi,

I really don't understand the point of these kind of conversations. Many times I see some traders want to prove some others somethings that they think it's right. If all the ones who know me check my posts, I never discussed is such topic, because it's useless. If one are making money constantly, then good for him/her, if not, then contributing in such a manner is a waste of time. I'm a very positive person (but a very hard follower!), I believe Doncex, and TAH don't need to be believen because he posts his trades live. I don't change my trading style, because it's suits me.

All I can say is, "There is not just one way to make money in these markets", maybe both Doncex and TAH or any contributer with a different style is profitable. I don't see the point of questioning one who claims to be profitable. But the thing I don't agree, is saying "you're not making money". There is no need to lie in a long run, specially when there is nothing to gain (like charging fee or so). Like I always said, there is no "right" or "wrong" way to make money, so don't think even if you are profitable, your way is the only way. I'm completely talking in general, no offence to anyone particular.

I always tried to learnt from anything I can catch on. I never critisized or brought under question the ability of making profit in anyone. I just seek what works for me and what don't. That's what it is all about.

By the way, I checked SonicR on Gold and the result was interesting. I checked M15. I will check M5 in near future.

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #28,765
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:29am Dec 7, 2011 3:29am
Quoting traderathome
UCad:

Entered M5 SonicR long (EP= 1.0083).
I like too see the setup in M15 in such a downtrend for a long setup.

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #28,766
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:29am Dec 7, 2011 3:29am
Quoting traderathome
UCad:

Entered M5 SonicR long (EP= 1.0083).
I found this is a proper wave either, let's see where the market will bring us.
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Patience is the key.
  • #28,767
  • Edited 3:46am Dec 7, 2011 3:35am | Edited 3:46am
Quoting Basber
Hi,

I really don't understand the point of these kind of conversations. Many times I see some traders want to prove some others somethings that they think they are right. If all the ones who know me check my posts, I never discussed is such topic, because it's useless. If one are making money constantly, then good for him/her, if not, then contributing in such a manner is a waste of time. I'm a very positive person (but a very hard follower!), I believe Doncex, and TAH don't need to be believen because he posts his trades live. I don't change...
Basber,

The point is this. Doncex, who left this thread, keeps returning with posts that claim the Sonic R. System is "not easy", is "stone age", that people will lose money with it, and that he has made "improvements", etc, etc.

The implication is that the Sonic R. System is complicated to the point of being seriously flawed. And nothing could be further from the truth!

Somebody needs to respond to such accusations, for the good of the thread.

That's the point.

And, I have invited Doncex to share his "improvements", and to demonstrate by posting trades live. What's wrong with that? Seems to me that if he has anything to brag about, that is what he should do instead of just talking.

Regards,
-tah
  • #28,768
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:40am Dec 7, 2011 3:40am
Quoting pipphunter
look mate, you made one step forward, we are happy for you. however, to being professional trader, you still have long way to go, the attitude you have now will make your next step much harder...

base on princeple of Sonic R system, professional trader need to achieve follow:
1. trade real money, account size at lease = your weekly income.
2. every trade risk at lease 1.5% of account (EP to SL >= 1.5% acc)
3. continues trade record of over 6 mth
4. overall win rate over 75%
5. average win : average loss in dollar more than 2:1
6. any single loss...
In order to confirm your statement, I might add some things :

I never risk more than 1% of my account. Sometimes only 0.3% .. Money comes as a result, the ones who risk more than 1-2%, are looking for the profit they could made. That's the way amatuers look at it.

Continues trade record for at least one session is crucial before coming to any conclusion in any method.

I don't believe in the winrate above 75% and Sharpe ration above 0.6 . I believe in the combination of them. You can have a win rate of 5% and be a winner and a Sharpe ratio around 0.3 and also be a winner.

The most important thing that people find it difficult to grasp, is finding a method that suits their personallity. Yes, winrate above 75% is very promissing, but it's not crucial.

I might add I use the same combination of winrate and sharpe ratio that you mentioned, but it's not the only way.

What works for you, works for you.

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #28,769
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:48am Dec 7, 2011 3:48am
Quoting traderathome
Basber,

The point is this. Doncex, who left this thread, keeps returning with posts that claim the Sonic R. System is "not easy", is "stone age", that people will lose money with it, and that he has made "improvements", etc, etc.

The implication is that the Sonic R. System is complicated to the point of being seriously flawed. And nothing could be further from the truth!

Somebody needs to respond to such accusations, for the good of the thread.

That's the point.

And, I have invited Doncex to share his "improvements", and to demonstrate...
I completely believe that you have absoloutly positive intention to reply to Doncex. But as I said, I'm a positive persion in not doubting people, unless their thoughts could hurt me or my money in this issue. He said he made improvements, we made too, haven't we ? he said classical sonicR trades don't work. I hear him like this : "If you trade all the setups and waves in M15, you'll lose". I think we believe it too. I have some filters that I mentioned many times here, like not trading if the first leg haven't crossed the dragon, on not to enter a trade in a middle of a range or etc.

I didn't wanted to offended you at all. Nothing's wrong with you asking him to share his improvements. I want the same thing too. But it's up to him. The think I don't like is the thought behind what we ask for from Doncex. The thought to prove that he's wrong. It's just me. I don't like negative atmosphere around me, and this thread is part of my life. Maybe on the surface, everything's fine, But I believe you know what I'm talking about.

I believe Doncex and you and others are saying the same thing, but in different words. That's all.

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #28,770
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:52am Dec 7, 2011 3:52am
Quoting traderathome
Doncex, there you go, making accusations again. You are trying to put words in my mouth, and then refute your very own words!

It might be you that needs a reality check.

Hey, if you are so gung-ho on whatever "improvements" you refer to, then I challenge you to start posting some successful trades based on your "improvements". Do you care enough to share? Actually, even just one such trade would be a good start. How about it, Doncex?

Oh, and make that a LIVE TRADE.

As for your "tons of pips", I think you are...
ya,of course live trades,I always put live trades in threads

Ya I remember DanPa He is good trader

I saw his live trades,that was fantastic,sl about 20,50 pips,tp was 100,200pips and he make it profit

I wonder where is he no...

I have a four acc,3 real and other play in demo, If I Have enough time to I will put live trades in thread,but the trades are very rare

Have good day tah,have a nice profit
  • #28,771
  • Dec 7, 2011 3:56am Dec 7, 2011 3:56am
Quoting pipphunter
look mate, you made one step forward, we are happy for you. however, to being professional trader, you still have long way to go, the attitude you have now will make your next step much harder...

base on princeple of Sonic R system, professional trader need to achieve follow:
1. trade real money, account size at lease = your weekly income.
2. every trade risk at lease 1.5% of account (EP to SL >= 1.5% acc)
3. continues trade record of over 6 mth
4. overall win rate over 75%
5. average win : average loss in dollar more than 2:1
6. any single...
Ya I know well what you are talking about
  • #28,772
  • Edited 4:10am Dec 7, 2011 3:58am | Edited 4:10am
Quoting Basber
I completely believe that you have absoloutly positive intention to reply to Doncex. But as I said, I'm a positive persion in not doubting people, unless their thoughts could hurt me or my money in this issue. He said he made improvements, we made too, haven't we ? he said classical sonicR trades don't work. I hear him like this : "If you trade all the setups and waves in M15, you'll lose". I think we believe it too. I have some filters that I mentioned many times here, like not trading if the first leg haven't crossed the dragon, on not to enter...
Basber,

I want to be clear on something.

I have no interest in whether or not Doncex has made "improvements". Nor do I have any interest in whether or not he is as successful as he implies. He left the thread. He no longer supports the thread. And that is that.

What I am interested in is refuting the notion that the Sonic R. System does not work, that it is too complicated and "stone age", and that most people will lose money with it!

If Doncex benefited from the thread, and left to become successful on his own, then great. I'd be happy for that to happen for all Sonikers. But, for him to drop in from time to time with nothing good to say about Sonic R., I find that distasteful. You should, too.

Is that clear enough?

Regards,
-tah
  • #28,773
  • Edited 8:30am Dec 7, 2011 4:03am | Edited 8:30am
TPs and SL as per attached picture

EDIT: SL hit for 40pips
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Patience is the key.
  • #28,774
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:06am Dec 7, 2011 4:06am
Quoting odges
I found this is a proper wave either, let's see where the market will bring us.
half lot closed @TP1 1.0104, SL@BE
Patience is the key.
  • #28,775
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:07am Dec 7, 2011 4:07am
Quoting traderathome
Basber,

I want to be clear on something.

I have no interest in whether or not Doncex has made "improvements". Nor do I have any interest in whether or not he is as successful as he implies. He left the thread. He no longer supports the thread. And that is that.

What I am interested in is refuting the notion that the Sonic R. System does not work, that it is too complicated and "stone age", and that most people will lose money with it!

If Doncex benefited from the thread, and left to become successful on his own, then great. I'd be happy...


If I thought SonicR won't work, I never would've been contributed here ... My time is precious for me.

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #28,776
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:10am Dec 7, 2011 4:10am
Quoting traderathome
Basber,

I want to be clear on something.

I have no interest in whether or not Doncex has made "improvements". Nor do I have any interest in whether or not he is as successful as he implies. He left the thread. He no longer supports the thread. And that is that.

What I am interested in is refuting the notion that the Sonic R. System does not work, that it is too complicated and "stone age", and that most people will lose money with it!

Is that clear enough?

Regards,
-tah
The only thing complicated about SonicR is MAKING MYSELF FOLLOW THE RULES! The instructions and system are simple in concept, and I sincerely thank Sonic and TAH for all they have provided us here.

My observation concerning the the Doncex issue is this. I don't understand his motivation for making entries such as that, but I have seen it before many times in forums. People can get downright vicious in their attacks, and it is very distasteful. The best thing would be for someone with the authority to do so, to delete the post and block the user (although they can just sign up with a new username and attack again).

TAH has made every effort to "take the high road," as evidenced by his responses.

Let's get back on track and forget the past attacks. We don't have time to waste on stuff such as that in my opinion. :-)
  • #28,777
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:15am Dec 7, 2011 4:15am
The current volume for 15 min chart on EU, green/red flickering... I guess its getting lively down there!!! Lets go USD!! (just entered the 15 minute chart, tight SL).
  • #28,778
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:22am Dec 7, 2011 4:22am
Quoting ArtfulDodger
The only thing complicated about SonicR is MAKING MYSELF FOLLOW THE RULES! The instructions and system are simple in concept, and I sincerely thank Sonic and TAH for all they have provided us here.

My observation concerning the the Doncex issue is this. I don't understand his motivation for making entries such as that, but I have seen it before many times in forums. People can get downright vicious in their attacks, and it is very distasteful. The best thing would be for someone with the authority to do so, to delete the post and block the user...
hey people,traders if you dont want that I post in sonic R thread I will never post again in this thread

If lot of people dont want that I put my info about trades,so I can go out from this thread and never post in this thread

I will ask master opinion about this question if he say that go out from his thread I will respect him and I never post in this thread,but if he say that I can leave,so I will leave and put some info,put some trades...

so what master say?
  • #28,779
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:33am Dec 7, 2011 4:33am
Quoting Doncex
hey people,traders if you dont want that I post in sonic R thread I will never post again in this thread

If lot of people dont want that I put my info about trades,so I can go out from this thread and never post in this thread

I will ask master opinion about this question if he say that go out from his thread I will respect him and I never post in this thread,but if he say that I can leave,so I will leave and put some info,put some trades...

so what master say?
don't make this forum as kindergarten. this forum is free to say anything you wish and no one can forbid you to post. but..if this system doesn't work for you, why you coming here over and over again ant trying to prove that for other fellow traders to whom this system works ? Or I don't get what you are trying to say there recently.

regards
Patience is the key.
  • #28,780
  • Dec 7, 2011 4:35am Dec 7, 2011 4:35am
Quoting Doncex
hey people,traders if you dont want that I post in sonic R thread I will never post again in this thread

If lot of people dont want that I put my info about trades,so I can go out from this thread and never post in this thread

I will ask master opinion about this question if he say that go out from his thread I will respect him and I never post in this thread,but if he say that I can leave,so I will leave and put some info,put some trades...

so what master say?
Doncex, nobody asked you to cease making posts. It is just that you are quite absent from the thread, and when you seldom do post, you post negatives about the Sonic R. System.

I am sure we all would appreciate your posts more, if you would simply post live trades, and thereby give us illustration of your improvements. You don't need to "knock" Sonic R. in order to promote whatever changes you have made. Just illustrate what you are doing by posting live trades.

As Basber said, along the way some refinements have come to Sonic R., and maybe you have something to contribute also.

Regards,
-tah
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