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  • #2,321
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:00pm Nov 29, 2011 4:00pm
ok tested it on 1 minute

it is repainting ....

will check into it.
  • #2,322
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:04pm Nov 29, 2011 4:04pm
Quoting johnjwong
You have the same arrows and candle colour as I do. However, Peter have different ones as hes missing the two arrow that I circled in my previous chart post. The MA is different though, significantly...
Hi John...et all...

Does everybody's MA properties look the same as this?

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If so, then either somebody's broker has been offline...or somebody's terminal was offline...and is missing some candles, and there is a discrepancy between the last 89 periods (Bars), of M10 candles. This is a totally separate issue to repainting.

Repainting aside, broker feeds will vary, therefore MA values will vary (but NOT by the amount johnjwong is showing...somebody has missing data), but overall, it really shouldn't be enough to render the system useless on one broker, or another. If it was JUST relying on an 89EMA, then results may vary quite drastically across brokers, but given the other criteria involved to give signals, the results shouldn't be that far out.

I'm not talking about the repainting issue at all in any of the above...that needs to be sorted out independently.
  • #2,323
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:04pm Nov 29, 2011 4:04pm
Hello, i've been a lurker for some time on this great thread. Thirst of all, many regards to all contributors here. Fratelli, Deankenny21, Micky, Gleneagles and others. One of the best threads i've ever seen on FF. You works like real team helping each other.
I got small issue with latest template and fratelli main indy 1.2. When system got valid signal blue/yellow lines drawn by indy doubles and i got 2 lines for same signal all the time. I tried it on Ducascopy and Alpari NZ brokers. It's not critical for trading, but it mess a chart little bit. Is anybody have same issues? And can you suggest a solution please, i think Micky should easily point out a solution as a creator of the indy. Thanks a lot.

Regards,
Chattle
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  • #2,324
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:22pm Nov 29, 2011 4:22pm
Quoting johnjwong
I used the original template posted on the thread and I did not modify it. I just checked, it is 1.7 as you said.
Even the inputs for the Converter are wrong, that's not a 10min chart!
I don't say
  • #2,325
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:39pm Nov 29, 2011 4:39pm
Quoting dragosd1
Even the inputs for the Converter are wrong, that's not a 10min chart!
Hmmmmm...not so sure, mate. I think it actually is, BUT...

Very helpful in situations like this when people do include the Pair and Time Frame data at the top left of the window in their screen grabs...as Dean has on his...to avoid any confusion.

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  • #2,326
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:51pm Nov 29, 2011 4:51pm
Give MickeyMouse a bit of time. Even somewhere till tomorrow.
The problem is not that easy so solve because to solve the problem we concluded on skype that it creates some sort of a paradox.

If the problem can be solved through programming he will still need a little beta testing before releasing the indicator to be sure that the problem is 100% fixed and that this whole problem does not start all over again in a couple of days.

I hope he and you guys will get around the repainting problem ( to be honest I doubt it but I keep my fingers crossed for you and always willing to help--Mickey knows where to find me).

Friendly regards FXiGoR
  • #2,327
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:54pm Nov 29, 2011 4:54pm
Quoting FXiGoR
Friendly regards FXiGoR
All the best, Igor,

Always good to have a few heads that have been in those trenches looking in!

Cheers.
  • #2,328
  • Nov 29, 2011 4:58pm Nov 29, 2011 4:58pm
Quoting kenfen69
Hi John...et all...

Does everybody's MA properties look the same as this?

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If so, then either somebody's broker has been offline...or somebody's terminal was offline...and is missing some candles, and there is a discrepancy between the last 89 periods (Bars), of M10 candles. This is a totally separate issue to repainting.

Repainting aside, broker feeds will vary, therefore MA values will vary (but NOT by the amount johnjwong is showing...somebody has missing data), but overall, it really shouldn't be enough to render...
Yes you are right, and I think I mentioned that the MA difference is due to my broker's data which broke. However, the arrow and the colour bar are different as well.

For Kenfen: thx for clarifying, it is indeed 10M time frame or else the chart will not look like that. I printscreen on laptop and pasted on paint but I try to show the time/dates so it got cut off, my screen is not big enough to show the whole thing.

In conclusion however, these problems are significant as I can not match my backtest results with the excel file posted on post#1 (I am backtesting on 10M as well). Totally not even close, my backtest results are very bad having negative pips day after day.
  • #2,329
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:02pm Nov 29, 2011 5:02pm
I've some problems too.
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I'm not a MT expert, but it could be linked to nr of bars in the m10 chart.
  • #2,330
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:06pm Nov 29, 2011 5:06pm
I have been forward testing this strategy with original Supertrend indi on the chart since repainting issue was raised. As you all know, when price closes above supertrend indi which is just a CCI indi actually, its colour changes to green and below to red.

The indi was repainting 1 bar previously, the bar colour was changing just one bar before price closes above/below supertrend line. But since the latest fix, I couldn't see that repainting.

At the moment, I am testing visually again against original supertrend indi and right now, if you put original supertrend indi on your GBPUSD chart, price is moving around the indi and you can see that when price moves above the indi, bar becomes green and vice versa red. So, it is not repainting, IMO.

EDIT: Price closed above supertrend line (GBPUSD chart) and bar colour turned to green. No repainting.
  • #2,331
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:11pm Nov 29, 2011 5:11pm
Quoting johnjwong
Yes you are right, and I think I mentioned that the MA difference is due to my broker's data which broke. However, the arrow and the colour bar are different as well.

For Kenfen: thx for clarifying, it is indeed 10M time frame or else the chart will not look like that. I printscreen on laptop and pasted on paint but I try to show the time/dates so it got cut off, my screen is not big enough to show the whole thing.

In conclusion however, these problems are significant as I can not match my backtest results with the excel file posted on post#1...
Can you please check your backtest results since Nov. 17th and compare with Dean's forward test results? Because we have been forward testing since Nov.17th and if you can match your backtest results with forward ones, then we can say that there must be something wrong with original backtest results or your data is totally different than everybody else. Forward results for two weeks look very promising indeed.
  • #2,332
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:12pm Nov 29, 2011 5:12pm
Just to clarify, when I backtest using 15M it seems like the colour of the superbar doesnt change after being red / green for a long period of time. As a result, I had to refresh all the time. However, when I backtest in 10M, that problem is resolve and color changes.

1 more thing, does anyone know waht timezone was the backtested done? The time was posted on the excel and I want to match my trades.
  • #2,333
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:17pm Nov 29, 2011 5:17pm
Why am I seeing two blue lines or two yellow lines?

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  • #2,334
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:17pm Nov 29, 2011 5:17pm
Quoting johnjwong
Just to clarify, when I backtest using 15M it seems like the colour of the superbar doesnt change after being red / green for a long period of time. As a result, I had to refresh all the time. However, when I backtest in 10M, that problem is resolve and color changes.

1 more thing, does anyone know waht timezone was the backtested done? The time was posted on the excel and I want to match my trades.
Why don't you try it by putting original supertrend indi on your chart with original settings and see if bar colours change when price moves above/below the indi? Mine does.
  • #2,335
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:19pm Nov 29, 2011 5:19pm
Quoting Blackeagle
............... So, it is not repainting, IMO.

EDIT: Price closed above supertrend line (GBPUSD chart) and bar colour turned to green. No repainting.
Blackeagle...trust us (mickey and me) it is repainting).
As I explained in 2 postings previous to this one. One can have 5 non-repainting trades and still the indicator is a repainting indicator.

The repainting element is a 50% chance. The same like going to a casino and playing black or red. 50% chance to have red or black. But one can still have 20x times black in a row.

Friendly regards... FXiGoR

PS. If you want to be sure then do as I explained in this posting: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...05#post5178905
MickeyMouse (the programmer) did and had to conclude that it was repainting (and know working on it to TRY to fix the problem).
  • #2,336
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:22pm Nov 29, 2011 5:22pm
Quoting Blackeagle
I have been forward testing this strategy with original Supertrend indi on the chart since repainting issue was raised. As you all know, when price closes above supertrend indi which is just a CCI indi actually, its colour changes to green and below to red.

The indi was repainting 1 bar previously, the bar colour was changing just one bar before price closes above/below supertrend line. But since the latest fix, I couldn't see that repainting.

At the moment, I am testing visually again against original supertrend indi and right now, if you put...
the fix i did was to stop the modded candles from repainting in real life trading...real life charts.... still i never modified the original supertrend indy, which i still allowed to repaint...

As long as u dont switch tf, ore open close the chart, the candles cannot repaint because they are not allowed to repaint. when switching tf, the candles are recalculated using the new values from supertrend indy and that can cause a repaint... it is deffenetly causing it in 1 min and 5 minutes.... it is not often, but it`s there.... i am now modifing the supertrend indy to stop it as well from repainting. . Not sure when i will release cause this is some serious issue . i was never able to see it on 10 m offline charts but it is defenetly happening on the real charts , 1min and 5 minutes.
will test and release it after .
There have been members here trading the system for quite a while now with positive results.... i suggest you keep doing that.
It was my mistake not to test on normal timeframe charts... sliped me ...

again as long as you dont change that tf, it cannot repaint even as it is now.... still... will release soon a fix for the original super trend indy for stoping this repainting element.
  • #2,337
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:27pm Nov 29, 2011 5:27pm
Quoting MickyMouse
the fix i did was to stop the modded candles from repainting in real life trading...real life charts.... still i never modified the original supertrend indy, which i still allowed to repaint...

As long as u dont switch tf, ore open close the chart, the candles cannot repaint because they are not allowed to repaint. when switching tf, the candles are recalculated using the new values from supertrend indy and that can cause a repaint... it is deffenetly causing it in 1 min and 5 minutes.... it is not often, but it`s there.... i am now modifing...
Thanks for the explanation Micky, but just one thing I don't understand, why do I need to change the time frame? I have my original supertrend indi on 10 min tf as well as your indi and they are working properly. Can you please tell me why do I need time frame change?
  • #2,338
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:28pm Nov 29, 2011 5:28pm
As Micky said, this is serious shit. I'm thinking the previous backtest data may have to be re-examined again for the 'non-repainting' supertrend.

Micky, any idea why the PO showing two lines in my chart? Thanks for great work!

Edit: Alright, I found it! Basically the template uploaded by Peter has the blue lines and yellow lines painted as object. So when it added in my own chart calculated blue yellow lines, they become 2 lines are the same place. PROBLEM SOLVED! wee!
  • #2,339
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:32pm Nov 29, 2011 5:32pm
Quoting Blackeagle
Thanks for the explanation Micky, but just one thing I don't understand, why do I need to change the time frame? I have my original supertrend indi on 10 min tf as well as your indi and they are working properly. Can you please tell me why do I need time frame change?
Changing your time frame is reseting the indicator. You do not need to change time frame. For all the same you can remove all your indicators and just place your template on it again and the result will be the same. Meaning that you will see all the re-paints.

FXiGoR
  • #2,340
  • Nov 29, 2011 5:32pm Nov 29, 2011 5:32pm
Quoting wilsonch
As Micky said, this is serious shit. I'm thinking the previous backtest data may have to be re-examined again for the 'non-repainting' supertrend.

Micky, any idea why the PO showing two lines in my chart? Thanks for great work!
yes wil redo it tommorrow... to tyred to think straight right now...

not sure how ure chart looks like
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