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  • #881
  • Edited 4:34am Nov 12, 2011 4:13am | Edited 4:34am
Quoting Udine
Maybe he's crazy, maybe he's a liar.... who knows?

I do

Crazy... yup, for posting all this, could have kept it for myself.
Liar.. you will find out when the markets are open

Udine
Obviously, I don't think you're crazy or a liar.... it was only rethorical
I thrust you, because I think you've made a great effort to systematize the rules, to get the best results.
I think that you'll aggree you could have been lucky (% win) until now. Maybe it will be lower in the long run... But this isn't your fault. You can only tell us what you've experimented until now....
The system is easy and has good foundaments. We trade accordingly with the momentum... then if market reverse who can tell before?


BTW. We don't need to search anymore: The HOLY GRAIL just dropped into my mailbox: it divinate the future and predicts next 10 candles (suggested use UG 5 min TF).
I'll attach it.........
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  • #882
  • Nov 12, 2011 4:24am Nov 12, 2011 4:24am
Quoting precisiontra
Hello,

90% winning rate is very possible with two repainting indicators, one repaints 4 bars and one repaints up to 16 bars.

If I tell you there is a magic holy-grail indicator called "semafor" which will pin-point the exact top and bottom, and if you follow the "semafor" indicator to long and short the market, you will have a winning rate of 99%. Sure that is very true when the magic holy grail "semafor" indicator is loaded onto a new chart. It pinpoints every major and minor turning points at exactly the right position and you started...
Maybe you think we are all stupid here......

Udine said he had success in REAL TRADING (Demo & Live)..... not backtesting old charts....

You're offensive in this post, thinking we are all sheep following blindly repainting indicators...
We all know what semaphore is.... We don't need you teaching the basis of trading, we're skilled enough to know by ourselves..
We look at live charts in real time...we see entry signals & then we look how it goes.... this is FORWARD TESTING!

Do you understand this?

I repeat: If you have a good system, well, post it in a new thread. We'll be glad to thank you for that.

Otherwise, I'm frankly upset and tired of all those spammers like you (until now)... who jumps from one thread to another just to say that the system doesn't work and teaching us..... WHAT..!?!?
  • #883
  • Nov 12, 2011 4:37am Nov 12, 2011 4:37am
Quoting Udine
Precisiontra,

you are welcome to post or start a thread with your indies, I will be glad to test them out.

Udine
i always wonder why people always try to cause confusion for system they have never tested just jugding from past achievments. You cant teach old dogs new tricks. For any body that cares, this system is just pure price action, trend trading with mommentum which is a basic o forex trading. Indicators are just there to guide. If you are scared to use HA mtf, why cant you just look at price action and building momentum of higher time frame of 1hr and 4hr before taking your trades. This is irrelevent argument which must stop. By the way, we are not entering trades blindly. Douh! The problem with strategy that basically needs argument should be the issue of tp/sl in relation to the spread/broker, but it has been summarised in mm aspect. Lets move on. We are all learning.
We Win Some, We Loose Some, But Let your Win Rates be More to be Successful
  • #884
  • Nov 12, 2011 4:59am Nov 12, 2011 4:59am
Quoting Aztrader2
Maybe you think we are all stupid here......

Udine said he had success in REAL TRADING (Demo & Live)..... not backtesting old charts....

You're offensive in this post, thinking we are all sheep following blindly repainting indicators...
We all know what semaphore is.... We don't need you teaching the basis of trading, we're skilled enough to know by ourselves..
We look at live charts in real time...we see entry signals & then we look how it goes.... this is FORWARD TESTING!

Do...


Do not get offended by my explanation.

All my explanations are purely based on all of trade signals posted by him from page one. All of these trade signals are using the hind-sight static charts.

If you are a experienced traders and making money in live trading, I guess you would not post all these wining trade signals using hind-sight static charts, right?

If somebody keep posting these fancy bogus trade signals with hind-sight static charts on all his posting charts, what do you think the 90% wining rate coming from? I requested before, and I will request again, from now on, please only post the real-time charts when trade is entered, not hind-sight charts after all the indicators have been repainted. Fair enough?

I am sorry if I offended you. Just trying to make my point clear. That's all.
  • #885
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:17am Nov 12, 2011 5:17am
Quoting pixelboy
Hi Precisiontra - don't get too upset about people posting the hindsight charts. I understand it is frustrating to see 'potential' rather than live trades, but it's not worth getting annoyed about. I went down that route with the Stairsteps thread where the OP posted loads of charts showing huge gains which were in no way possible to trade.

One thing I have learned about this game is that all back testing, theories and speculation is pointless. The ONLY thing that counts is live trading. The only possible way you can find out if a system works...


Hello,

Sure, good comments. Well noticed. Thanks.

One of these days I will be opening a new thread illustrating and exchanging with members here what a good MTF trade system is all about. And most importantly, how to avoid the MTF illusion and repainting. And discuss most of my simulated MTF indicators with exact entry and exit points. Nothing is holy-grail, including mine, 50% is system strategy, and another 50% is ourself, in our mind, managing the Fear and Greed which can't not be taught or discussed. can only be learned by ourselves. Even with my system that I developed, I was losing money in the first couple of months live trading the system. Until I conquered my "fear and greed" in the third month, I started to turn the whole thing around. What I am trying to convey here is that there is no holy-grail system. It is ourselves that are the biggest enemy of trading. So, do not expect I will give everybody a holy-grail system. It is we that can make it or break it even with a wining system. Please do not get offended by the above.

Again, thanks for all of the comments. They are all well received.
  • #886
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:24am Nov 12, 2011 5:24am
I am surprise that despite seeing the results and the good intention of UDine to share his system with others, there are still some pessimist, jumping in this thread and creating confusion and inducing negativity without having a concrete alternatives. And when I check their profile, I see they are only a month or two on FF. Possibly, Novice and/or some spammers created new profile for spamming.

Keep up the good work Udine. Success or Failure does not lie in the system only, it lies in the Trader who Trade that system. "A Fool with a Tool is Still a Fool" no one can help him/her.
  • #887
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:35am Nov 12, 2011 5:35am
Quoting precisiontra
Hello,

Sure, good comments. Well noticed. Thanks.

One of these days I will be opening a new thread illustrating and exchanging with members here what a good MTF trade system is all about. And most importantly, how to avoid the MTF illusion and repainting. And discuss most of my simulated MTF indicators with exact entry and exit points. Nothing is holy-grail, including mine, 50% is system strategy, and another 50% is ourself, in our mind, managing the Fear and Greed which can't not be taught or discussed. can only be learned by ourselves....
you probably did not read the whole tread. there were live treads posted and discussed after the initial this is my system posts..
  • #888
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:44am Nov 12, 2011 5:44am
Quoting iwontsmoke
you probably did not read the whole tread. there were live treads posted and discussed after the initial this is my system posts..
Maybe he's unable to read...... in fact doesn't understand what we write....

I Apologise for my bad english....
  • #889
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:47am Nov 12, 2011 5:47am
%90 success rate may not be achieved i must say that. because udine said already that he did not traded whole signals because of work etc. some of the failed trades may be missed because of that.
  • #890
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:52am Nov 12, 2011 5:52am
Quoting iwontsmoke
you probably did not read the whole tread. there were live treads posted and discussed after the initial this is my system posts..

Yes. Also, the system is not just MTF alone, there are other factors included.

The trade is only on breakout of high/low so 4hr mtf should remain in same color while entering the trade. if in case it changes color during the trade either the script kicks you out of the trade or your SL hits. I know very well if straight 60 trades hits SL I blow my account. Suppose if that did not happened I make money.

Regards,
usasa
Weigh well output the loss and gain And proper action ascertain
  • #891
  • Nov 12, 2011 5:58am Nov 12, 2011 5:58am
I think UDINE did not mean 90% success rate referring to all signals generated by the Invictus.

It was his 90% success rate, to my understanding that mean that when Invictus Signal comes he applies his trading skills for go/no-go for trade. This his how he is able to achieve 90% success.
  • #892
  • Nov 12, 2011 6:16am Nov 12, 2011 6:16am
Quoting forexzak
I think UDINE did not mean 90% success rate referring to all signals generated by the Invictus.

It was his 90% success rate, to my understanding that mean that when Invictus Signal comes he applies his trading skills for go/no-go for trade. This his how he is able to achieve 90% success.
i am perfectly aware of that. i wrote this because people will come and will not read whole thread and just saw 90% rate and then say bullshit etc..
  • #893
  • Nov 12, 2011 6:24am Nov 12, 2011 6:24am
Quoting iwontsmoke
i am perfectly aware of that. i wrote this because people will come and will not read whole thread and just saw 90% rate and then say bullshit etc..
I agree and I said to Udine a couple of posts ago, maybe he's been lucky until now...

There's only one sure thing: we must achieve at least 70% wins to be profitable with his R:R rule

Only time can tell....
  • #894
  • Nov 12, 2011 6:28am Nov 12, 2011 6:28am
Quoting 236dave
Eric,
Would there be any chance of showing past arrows, or at least an option to show them, so that we can do a visual backtest.
Thanks 236dave
Working on it but it didn't work the first time and I haven't gotten back to it yet. I will soon.
  • #895
  • Edited 7:44am Nov 12, 2011 6:34am | Edited 7:44am
Quoting precisiontra
Hello,
90% winning rate is very possible with two repainting indicators, one repaints 4 bars and one repaints up to 16 bars.
..if you realy try semaphore indy than you mayknow that some times it is repainting more then 2-3 candles and its up to you how to use it.
You can tray with SemaphorTrue2.ex4 to see how it repaints.
  • #896
  • Nov 12, 2011 6:45am Nov 12, 2011 6:45am
Quoting pedross
Was going to backtest Invictus over the weekend using strategy tester but unfortunately the invictus mtf is wildly inaccurate in the tester. Any thoughts as to why?

Pete
I have also seen the MTF HA not show it's true colors in the Strategy Tester. In fact, I have seen where the H4 bar will be all red and never change. Not sure why; could be something in the way the strat tester works. Possibly because the MTF starts at the current bar[0] and goes backwards to fill in all the squares, and the Heiken Ashi itself starts at the back and ends at the current bar. Also, if you look at the actual formula for how the Heiken Ashi calculates, it basically makes calculations based on its own results so one of the first values is always 0 (zero) and it takes a number of bars to work out the inaccuracy. I once tried to limit the number of bars to < 100 (I think) to speed up the PC and the HA didn't work right at all because the calculation is still inaccurate at that point.
  • #897
  • Nov 12, 2011 6:52am Nov 12, 2011 6:52am
Quoting Udine
My famous last words on this:


INVICTUS has its rules, demo according to those rules next week, you like it fine, you dont, nothing lost.

You post as if the people here are stupid, they will check for themselves. if it works they might trade otherwise look for something else.

You have made your point.

Trading is a lot like driving, sometimes you look in the mirror to see what was there, but in order to get ahead you need to look forward and adjust your actions to what is happening, just like life

BTW how is it possible that I get the...
Well said brother....Your efforts are appreciated!!
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  • #898
  • Edited 7:07am Nov 12, 2011 6:56am | Edited 7:07am
Quoting Aztrader2
Maybe you think we are all stupid here......
Otherwise, I'm frankly upset and tired of all those spammers like you (until now)... who jumps from one thread to another just to say that the system doesn't work and teaching us..... WHAT..!?!?
Im totaly with you .
Some people just jump from system to system and not realy test it and give up on first looser. I will not deny that I was there also in the past (but not mess around) , but then you settle to one or two system and see that this realy works .

As I say all system has looser this is reality and only what is metter is winning ratio.
  • #899
  • Nov 12, 2011 6:57am Nov 12, 2011 6:57am
It's amazing how some people will not even test a strategy and feel the need (or obsession?) to try to tell everyone else how it won't work and they are being lied to. I don't see anyone here charging money for this. If you don't like it, go away. As the saying goes, "Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". And someone who has to talk and talk and talk, and THEN go back and edit his own posts obviously isn't making enough money from his own trading. And to try to convince the originator of this system (who is making real money with it) that it doesn't work is just plain stupid. I'm going to add this one to my ignore list and Udine, I suggest you do the same and if there is a Ban option for you to use, hit the button.
  • #900
  • Nov 12, 2011 7:03am Nov 12, 2011 7:03am
Quoting precisiontra
Hello,

Sure, good comments. Well noticed. Thanks.

One of these days I will be opening a new thread illustrating and exchanging with members here what a good MTF trade system is all about.
..and why these your "One of these days" does not happend now and not mess another systems.
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