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  • #560,021
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:05am Nov 9, 2011 9:05am
Quoting magicpips
10 minutes to london close!!!! which part of the world you from
messed up maths and TZs, my apologies...I am currently far away on a business trip from my homeland which is much closer to London than this place (Bombay).

10 mins was a typo (should have been 40 which is still wrong), it´s obviously still 1 hour and half left.
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  • #560,022
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:05am Nov 9, 2011 9:05am
The market doesn't make any sense right now, Fuck Italy and fuck Greece and their repeated headlines about their debt, just fucking default already so we can get on with our lives...
Tired of this Bullshit
  • #560,023
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:08am Nov 9, 2011 9:08am
Quoting FXMastermind
messed up maths and TZs, my apologies...I am currently far away on a business trip from my homeland which is much closer to London than this place (Bombay).

10 mins was a typo (should have been 40 which is still wrong), it´s obviously still 1 hour and half left.
there you go!!
  • #560,024
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:09am Nov 9, 2011 9:09am


“ECB is buying aggressively,” one trader told Reuters. Another trader said the ECB was now also targeting the two-year bonds, in addition to the country’s 10-year paper.
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  • #560,025
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:12am Nov 9, 2011 9:12am
Hello guys this is my eurjpy view maybe can help someone >

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  • #560,026
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:14am Nov 9, 2011 9:14am
Quoting lambergino
The market doesn't make any sense right now, Fuck Italy and fuck Greece and their repeated headlines about their debt, just fucking default already so we can get on with our lives...
Tired of this Bullshit
The market has the perfect sense. We have the October,4 .618 retracement today. From now on the price likely goes up.

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  • #560,027
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:17am Nov 9, 2011 9:17am
Quoting cloggie
She is going to sit around this 3610 for a while, we haven't seen a suckers zone yet today and this is as good a place for it as anything really
Quoting cloggie
3610 and 600 on the spreads is what we are all watching here, the ECB can try all they want, we are driven by the FI boys this week.

IF you want to know why EU took a breather here, look at the spread and the CDS, that tells the story in black and white, they could not make it easier.

Quoting cloggie
Watch the wires, we got some auction news coming up from Italy. Scalp till then. Don't go pre emtping what the market is doing.

A good place for me to have some lunch. Not going to chase the small moves here. I'll be back for the next runner.

Back from lunch, didn't miss much I see, she is still forming the next run here.

Ah well, got to do a bit of muppetspotting then while this sets itself up here.
  • #560,028
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:22am Nov 9, 2011 9:22am
Just catching up on the news here while I was having lunch. Did Mr B really tell the G20 to go take a hike when the EFSF was suggested to him??????

No wonder he had to resign, that is the last thing they wanted to hear from him.

Running some rough numbers here, the spike in 10yr this week is costing Italy an additional 110Bn a year in interest payments, how long you guys reckon that is going to last...........
  • #560,029
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:24am Nov 9, 2011 9:24am
Quoting cloggie
Watch the wires, we got some auction news coming up from Italy.

Proceeding as scheduled, that will be an interesting one to watch, only 1yr on offer.
  • #560,030
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:27am Nov 9, 2011 9:27am
Quoting cloggie
Running some rough numbers here, the spike in 10yr this week is costing Italy an additional 110Bn a year in interest payments, how long you guys reckon that is going to last...........


italy's going to be used as the prime example under the definition for 'debt spiral' in economic textbooks for years to come
  • #560,031
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:28am Nov 9, 2011 9:28am
Quoting Z3iz3i
If 1.3600 does not hold, expect price to drop down to 1.3550/60 and consolidate there.
1.3552 - nice call for a 60 pip m/t scalp; but we've been lolligaging down here for so long it looks like we could see 1.3510/20 next
  • #560,032
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:30am Nov 9, 2011 9:30am
Quoting taxe91


italy's going to be used as the prime example under the definition for 'debt spiral' in economic textbooks for years to come

This is going to filter all the way through their economy. Corporate bonds will go up 20-30% greater then the Treasury bills, that will mean an additional 2-3 points in unemployment, that will reduce the tax revenue, corp investments and trade balance, that in turn is going to increase the 10yr again. That is the big issue once we hit 7%, there is no coming back from that one.

I would love another big meltdown and massive recession over here in Europe, only a matter of time, bring it on.

If all these ducks line up nicely here in the next few weeks, I should be able to hit next year's target before Christmas and will take a year of.
  • #560,033
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:33am Nov 9, 2011 9:33am
Quoting cloggie
This is going to filter all the way through their economy. Corporate bonds will go up 20-30% greater then the Treasury bills, that will mean an additional 2-3 points in unemployment, that will reduce the tax revenue, corp investments and trade balance, that in turn is going to increase the 10yr again. That is the big issue once we hit 7%, there is no coming back from that one.
bailout on the cards, france likely next in the firing line..

all part of imf's global takedown..
  • #560,034
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:35am Nov 9, 2011 9:35am
In order to make this divergence to "fail: it has to go up , but i doubt that it will fail , waiting for divergence comfirmation and signal to long .
P.S Might have to wait 'a bit' ...
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  • #560,035
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:36am Nov 9, 2011 9:36am
Quoting cloggie
Just catching up on the news here while I was having lunch. Did Mr B really tell the G20 to go take a hike when the EFSF was suggested to him??????

No wonder he had to resign, that is the last thing they wanted to hear from him.

Running some rough numbers here, the spike in 10yr this week is costing Italy an additional 110Bn a year in interest payments, how long you guys reckon that is going to last...........
Italy doesn't have much problem on repayments short term (till 2nd quarter next year) but the problem is the after. They just announced that they will go with the auction this week despite the soaring cost.

Don't know if Italians are crossing the line between stubbornness and confidence. IMO, definitively the Italian problems long term come from years ago (and they are not the reason for the short term panic) but the current problems are self-inflicted by the EZ mismanagement of the crisis and the bond holders charging their toll for Greece and friends...

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  • #560,036
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:37am Nov 9, 2011 9:37am
Quoting FibbinArchie
bailout on the cards..

Yup.

Quoting FibbinArchie
france likely next in the firing line..
Yup, margins have already been increased slowly in the last few weeks, the markets sure are getting ready for that one.

We need decisive action here in the EU to stem this one once and for all, but that isn't going to happen.

Germany needs to either sh!t or get off the pot, they are the ones driving the EU in a further mess right now. Do they really care?? Not really, they've had enough at home of all the mess the periphery is in. It is just a matter of how congenial they feel towards the outliers, if they don't then the EU will break up. If they do see an economic reward in helping out, and they should, then the EU/EMU can be saved.
  • #560,037
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:38am Nov 9, 2011 9:38am
Quoting FibbinArchie
bailout on the cards, france likely next in the firing line..
then spain, then portugal. ireland not exactly in the good books either. right there in junk status just like the portugese.

talk about sitting ducks
  • #560,038
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:38am Nov 9, 2011 9:38am
Quoting sisse
Italy doesn't have much problem on repayments short term (till 2nd quarter next year) but the problem is the after. They just announced that they will go with the auction this week despite the soaring cost.

Don't know if Italians are crossing the line between stubbornness and confidence. IMO, definitively the Italian problems long term come from years ago (and they are not the reason for the short term panic) but the current problems are self-inflicted by the EZ mismanagement of the crisis and the bond holders charging their toll for Greece and...

They have 320 to refinance next year, at these rates that will stem their growth for a decade. The current problem is that the yields carry through internally right now, refinancing or not, it is affecting the domestic growth and inward investments, that will kill them before the refinancing will.

But you know what? I am a trader, not an economist, I couldn't care less, all I care about is how do I make money of it all......
  • #560,039
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:41am Nov 9, 2011 9:41am
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  • #560,040
  • Nov 9, 2011 9:42am Nov 9, 2011 9:42am
3540-25 will close , possible pullback to as high as 3710.3553 only gib=ving reversal sign .

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