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  • #2,301
  • Nov 6, 2011 3:14am Nov 6, 2011 3:14am
Quoting iqyu5an
ah i see ...

1) lime green spike : i draw it manually to show the target in this forum
2) fib marker : draw manually .... the ratio 0 , 0.15 , 0.4 , 0.5 , 0.6 , 0.85 , 100.
extension ratio : -0.3 ( max short "potential long" ), -0.6 ( bed rock ), 1.3 ( max long "potential short" ) and 1.6 ( top seal )

i say "potential" coz there should be another confirmation by adjusting the old fib and see if the pa breach 85 or 15 of our new fibo

if u see SL text on fib : it's -0.15 and 1.15 ( but just skip it ) not so important. my focus is...

Hi iq,

I see you use slightly different fib ratios instead of the same old "61,8" - "38,2" and so on....
What's the reason for this? Could you explain why?

Thanks!
  • #2,302
  • Nov 6, 2011 3:15am Nov 6, 2011 3:15am
Quoting camvcvoo
Hi MJ,

Really appreciate the work you have done here. Will test it on Monday n report issues, if any.

Many thanks
Hah, i haven't done anything yet.. later today i'll format the code (i can't read it!!!!) and continue.. maybe i'll join the testing for few days (pennies), with some tweaks and on 4 pairs.. if time allows
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  • #2,303
  • Nov 6, 2011 5:26am Nov 6, 2011 5:26am
Quoting MaryJane
Hah, i haven't done anything yet.. later today i'll format the code (i can't read it!!!!) and continue.. maybe i'll join the testing for few days (pennies), with some tweaks and on 4 pairs.. if time allows

what is your setting ???

max bars in history ??

max bars in chart ?
  • #2,304
  • Nov 6, 2011 5:31am Nov 6, 2011 5:31am
my empirical studies only

61.8,38.2 etc is theory ... need to be adjusted to meet our own style ( imho )
Quoting Aztrader2
Hi iq,

I see you use slightly different fib ratios instead of the same old "61,8" - "38,2" and so on....
What's the reason for this? Could you explain why?

Thanks!
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  • #2,305
  • Nov 6, 2011 5:33am Nov 6, 2011 5:33am
Quoting iqyu5an
my empirical studies only

61.8,38.2 etc is theory ... need to be adjusted to meet our own style ( imho )
Thanks mate!
  • #2,306
  • Nov 6, 2011 5:35am Nov 6, 2011 5:35am
you're welcome bro.

my friend and i already made the indi for auto fibbing... u can download it free in first page of my thread.
Quoting Aztrader2
Thanks mate!
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  • #2,307
  • Nov 6, 2011 6:34am Nov 6, 2011 6:34am
Quoting iqyu5an
you're welcome bro.

my friend and i already made the indi for auto fibbing... u can download it free in first page of my thread.
Wow...great indi.... till now I had just daily autofibo.... but you added W & M, which I think play a great role in definig S/R areas!

Thanks again!
  • #2,308
  • Nov 6, 2011 7:03am Nov 6, 2011 7:03am
thank. but please use with your own style bro. no fixed rule in fx

beside weekly,daily and monthly. there is intraday fib... but this fib is so dynamic, once they got new high and new low based on fractal m15, the intraday fib will be adjusted automatically ( looks like repainting but it's an evolution of how daily fib created . at the end of the day... last intraday fib will be daily fib in following day. scalper like intraday fib mostly )

so what fib we use.........? all depends on yours



Quoting Aztrader2
Wow...great indi.... till now I had just daily autofibo.... but you added W & M, which I think play a great role in definig S/R areas!

Thanks again!
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  • #2,309
  • Edited 12:46pm Nov 6, 2011 11:35am | Edited 12:46pm
Quoting MaryJane
YES

Lucy, I've been playing with the indy in the meantime. If everybody who wants to compare setups sets their MT4 bar limit to the same number (the smaller the better; I've tried 500 and it's ok across all timeframes) we could get comparable results. Just checked a 500 bar chart with 3 different borkers and it really doesn't matter - the output is the same.

The attached version (experimental!!) only paints when new bar opens i.e. you won't see any (ticking) change inbetween bars, but it should refresh ok - no need to switch TFs....
perfect MJ,

i code a barcounter in your modified cycle indicator (thx @MaryJane) and if we all use the same setting (500 bars default) we could get the same signals.

i made a picture with default setting. now we could compare this with our own charts. and we have to find a good setting for it with not too much and not to less cycles. 1000 Bars with PriceActionFilter set to 2 could also be good setting. but the cycles differs with volatility

i put the indie here too.

Mediator
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  • #2,310
  • Nov 6, 2011 12:19pm Nov 6, 2011 12:19pm
I'm done...... I've read the whole thread, and the most controverse part of it was the problem of different spikes on different brokers, charts, settings andso on.....

Just in the last pages, Mary Jane answer the question.... let's see now how the new indi she posted work.....

Thanks to all contributors of the thread!!!!

I don't know if I ever become a good trader.... surely, I've learnt a lot reading those > 150 pages!


Quoting MaryJane
Hi Eval,

just took a quick journey through your thread ..although my own trading methods differ from yours, I'm always all ears about anything that seems to work and it's at least somehow quantifiable, regardless of the underlying principle. Thanks for another dose of inspiration.

First of all, kudos to you It seems you have found a viable trading method for yourself, other people's success with your system only proves one thing: it doesn't matter that this or another indicator repaints, finally the success or failure depends on...
  • #2,311
  • Nov 6, 2011 2:30pm Nov 6, 2011 2:30pm
Quoting Mediator
perfect MJ,

i code a barcounter in your modified cycle indicator (thx @MaryJane) and if we all use the same setting (500 bars default) we could get the same signals.

i made a picture with default setting. now we could compare this with our own charts. and we have to find a good setting for it with not too much and not to less cycles. 1000 Bars with PriceActionFilter set to 2 could also be good setting. but the cycles differs with volatility

i put the indie here too.

Mediator
Hello this is my first post to the fourm! I would like to ask if the MTF cycle indicator could made the same way with the 500 bar count and the refresh issue fixed as well? Thank you and love the thread. Lets make some $$$!!
  • #2,312
  • Nov 6, 2011 2:50pm Nov 6, 2011 2:50pm
Quoting Mediator
perfect MJ,

i code a barcounter in your modified cycle indicator (thx @MaryJane) and if we all use the same setting (500 bars default) we could get the same signals.

i made a picture with default setting. now we could compare this with our own charts. and we have to find a good setting for it with not too much and not to less cycles. 1000 Bars with PriceActionFilter set to 2 could also be good setting. but the cycles differs with volatility

i put the indie here too.

Mediator
Cheers M, many many thanks for trying to help but unfortunately it's not that simple. Adding a fixed barcount was the 1st thing i've tried.. i've mentioned it in my 1st post.. the post is a mess so let's quote the meat of it:
Quoting MaryJane
The real problem with the cycle identifier is that it iterates across the whole chart history.........I tried a variant with fixed bar count and forced refresh on every closed bar. It looks extremely ugly in strategy tester but it's exactly that what you would see if you'd restart the platform every 5 minutes.
The indicator iterates across the entire barcount. If we limit the bars to eg. 500 in mt4, there will be 500 bars when we fire it up. Then the barcount increases (501, 502, etc) as the time goes (we can check the # of bars by hovering the mouse pointer over the chart tab - it will appear as a tooltip); if you let it run for 4 hours, there will be 548 M5 bars, 516 M15 bars etc. But if you restart, all charts will be 500 bars again.

The classic indy everybody uses (regardless if CycleIdentifier_blah_xx or Symphonie_xx) will use all bars in chart after first start, recompiling or switching timeframes, otherwise it will only shift the old values to the left and repaint few last bars. It runs the loop on every tick but not across all bars. That would be a cpu-overkill. That's why it changes after switching timeframes.

The mod i posted updates on new bar only; that should not be a problem since the strategy always waits for a closed candle. It ALWAYS recalculates all bars; hence no refresh tricks needed.

Both variants use a starting point that doesn't change - the leftmost (oldest) bar in chart, until you restart MT4. Then the bars get truncated to the limit and the indy gets a new starting point - that's why it will be completely different after a restart.

The variant with fixed barcount can't work without some change to the algo. We force the indy into a 'sliding window' and the starting point changes with every new bar and that causes havoc.

Here you can see the original, my mod and your mod (from top to bottom):

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I hate indicator code (awkward backward revert pervert indexing logic i'll never get used to) but i'll try my best to find some workaround enabling compatibility among different users. I guess arrays should be used instead of some regular variables in the calc.. or something that way. gimme some time.. a day or 2.

perhaps some real coder checks in and a fix will be here in the wink of an eye
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  • #2,313
  • Nov 6, 2011 2:55pm Nov 6, 2011 2:55pm
in the chart on video do you uses also arrov indicator ???


Quoting MaryJane
Cheers M, many many thanks for trying to
help but unfortunately it's not that simple. Adding a fixed barcount was the 1st thing i've tried.. i've mentioned it in my 1st post.. the post is a mess so let's quote the meat of it:

The indicator iterates across the entire barcount. If we limit the bars to eg. 500 in mt4, there will be 500 bars when we fire it up. Then the barcount increases (501, 502, etc) as the time goes (we can check the # of bars by hovering the mouse pointer over the chart tab - it will appear as a tooltip); if you let it run...
  • #2,314
  • Nov 6, 2011 3:02pm Nov 6, 2011 3:02pm
Quoting wallstreet03
in the chart on video do you uses also arrov indicator ???
no, that's ZigAndZag, a funny indy (also a big repainter but i'm playing with it - it seems nice signalling (partial) exits.. and it's algo seems to be similar to our beloved Cycle thingie (SuperSignal is also similar).. i'm diggin' all this to grasp how the beasties work to find that compatibility fix.
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  • #2,315
  • Nov 6, 2011 4:41pm Nov 6, 2011 4:41pm
Quoting MaryJane
Cheers M, many many thanks for trying to help but unfortunately it's not that simple. Adding a fixed barcount was the 1st thing i've tried.. i've mentioned it in my 1st post.. the post is a mess so let's quote the meat of it:

The indicator iterates across the entire barcount. If we limit the bars to eg. 500 in mt4, there will be 500 bars when we fire it up. Then the barcount increases (501, 502, etc) as the time goes (we can check the # of bars by hovering the mouse pointer over the chart tab - it will appear as a tooltip); if you let it run...
Another idea i have is simply to use a date. This could be for example the openimg of london session at monday last week. With this we have a fixed calculation window and simply to code. What do you think about this idea?

Cheers

Mediator
  • #2,316
  • Nov 6, 2011 5:01pm Nov 6, 2011 5:01pm
Quoting Mediator
Another idea i have is simply to use a date. This could be for example the openimg of london session at monday last week. With this we have a fixed calculation window and simply to code. What do you think about this idea?

Cheers

Mediator
Simply great idea I was thinking about finding some lows or highs and counting from that point but these get taken out etc, too much complication!

it would be great if you could code it, remember a time offset against broker time (+/- hours, no fancy GMT/DST things necessary imo). take a look at steve's nicotina bot thread, people can make WW3 out of such banalities.. btw mbkennel shared a GMT sync library here on ff but idk (didn't use it). meanwhile, i will try to tweak the logic

thanks

edit: watching the mod i posted on M1/4 pairs; seems stable. i hope it behaves the same as in the visual tester - looks better than original.

sold cable 6059
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  • #2,317
  • Nov 6, 2011 6:13pm Nov 6, 2011 6:13pm
Quoting MaryJane
sold cable 6059
..and closed at 6019, reasons: optimistic fundies (Greek deal) reported, possible pre-Tokyo headfake (dump and pump), just above DP and pierced my ma channel center line on m15 and bottom line on m5. 40 pips is great in this session, don't be greedy. Entry was a m5 SEFC setup BUT i don't use arrows or trendline indy or triggerline indy so it was not confirmed as per rules. Note the extreme spike in m5, supported by normal spike in m15.

Took an aussie short too but that was completely off rules (spike was there but nothing more.. my entry reason was m5 PA rejection of R around 1.0420).. out with 19 pips.

Time for a nap, see ya at london open, trade carefully.

Charts: cable M15, M5:
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  • #2,318
  • Nov 6, 2011 6:40pm Nov 6, 2011 6:40pm
Quoting MaryJane
..and closed at 6019, reasons: optimistic fundies (Greek deal) reported, possible pre-Tokyo headfake (dump and pump), just above DP and pierced my ma channel center line on m15 and bottom line on m5. 40 pips is great in this session, don't be greedy. Entry was a m5 SEFC setup BUT i don't use arrows or trendline indy or triggerline indy so it was not confirmed as per rules. Note the extreme spike in m5, supported by normal spike in m15.

Took an aussie short too but that was completely off rules (spike was there but nothing more.. my entry reason...
what is signal 's close ??
  • #2,319
  • Nov 6, 2011 6:46pm Nov 6, 2011 6:46pm
Quoting MaryJane

Here you can see the original, my mod and your mod (from top to bottom):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIEvxH-4U70
Hi MJ,

After watching your video, personally, i think it's more "stable".

Thanks very much.
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  • #2,320
  • Nov 6, 2011 9:23pm Nov 6, 2011 9:23pm
Great progress.
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